hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Perfect evening for pìssing on fireworks eh? Sad. Eh? I've consistently said what a great video that was and what a positive this sort of thing is (and how much more attractive we will be for youth products.) I'm simply challenging the myth that had Markus not bought us we would have gone into liquidation. It has never happened to any other similar team and it wouldn't have happened to us. That doesn't detract from the great new training facilities or the positive PR generated from this and it's odd you would think it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Mouse Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Some fantastic photos of it here... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141105-gallery-explore-the-markus-liebherr-pavilion-2064167.aspx My personal favourite: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Erm are you disputing that Markus and his money revived the club? Because from where we were to where we are is a revival in my book! FFS Hypo stop digging you have got the attention you crave on here. You are making yourself look a bigger tit than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Erm are you disputing that Markus and his money revived the club? Because from where we were to where we are is a revival in my book! FFS Hypo stop digging you have got the attention you crave on here. You are making yourself look a bigger tit than usual. Simply replying to those who have responded to me. It's called a forum and that tends to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Just a myth? No evidence? so my dad wasn't paid late because there was no money? the sale of Surman and pinnicle exclusivity payments didn't keep the club going for another month or so? the staff were not told 'we can't pay you, we are in breach of contract, you don't have to turn up tomorrow' and that 'if a buyer is not found with a month the doors would be closed forever'? do you need anymore? I wouldn't bother, CB Fry is often so wide of the mark he would miss the opening to Southampton Water travelling back from the Wight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Some fantastic photos of it here... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141105-gallery-explore-the-markus-liebherr-pavilion-2064167.aspx My personal favourite: Would be nice to make the actual stadium a bit more like this as well. A lot of character in the training ground now and having some of this in the fan areas would add to the atmosphere I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 I really, really wish you would drop this. It is very offensive on a day when we are celebrating the dedication of a fantastic resource in the name of, yes, our saviour. Yes, no-one knows where the club would be today without Markus, but it is incredibly unlikely that it would be the success it is now. I unashamedly give my undying thanks to the Liebherr family. Read my reply to the previous post again. I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Will you cry big man? Possibly. Certainly more likely to over something I experience in real life than a video on YouTube but as someone correctly pointed out earlier, we are all different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Erm are you disputing that Markus and his money revived the club? Because from where we were to where we are is a revival in my book! Erm no, I'm pointing put that 'reviving' is a pathetically lukewarm way to describe what he did for the club. Enjoy whatever it is you're attempting to do on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 There really is no need to put anything else on this thread, leave it to elsewhere. Yes I questioned this board early on, but I dont think I was unjustified during what was the darker days of summer, yes I questioned Ralphs ability, but its the here and now that matters now, and what an excellent job they have proven to have done. Markus' legacy is now forever etched in our history, with what has turned out to be a magnificent piece of work that hopefully will see us through the future now and I really am proud of that. Cortese may have started it (and in reality stoped it, started it, stoped it, started it ad infinitum ) but ultimately it was Markus' dream and money and I have to say a massive congratulations to Mr Reed who I know had a lot to do with its ultimate development So proud of what this club is right now Thank you leibherr's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Erm no, I'm pointing put that 'reviving' is a pathetically lukewarm way to describe what he did for the club. Enjoy whatever it is you're attempting to do on this thread. Personally I consider reviving to be a particularly apt way to describe it and in no way pathetically lukewarm. It is you who have imbued the word with those properties based on your bias against me. Just looked up the definition: "an improvement in the condition, strength, or fortunes of someone or something." Now to me that is precisely what Markus did for us, it's a perfect definition and it's something we can all be thankful about. Hopefully we can agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 As we've seen throughout the leagues. there are different kinds of owners. You want bad? Check out the poor bastards up in Coventry who've spent a season having to watch "home" games in Northampton, without any hope of things getting better in the near future. What about Mike Ashley, taking his fans for granted, utterly uninterested in doing anything other than tread the Premier League waters while he masterminds his plan to get Rangers into the English leagues. Say what you like about the recent whar's-me-stripes Saints kits, but that's nowt compared to what Vincent Tan did to Cardiff and their traditions. Given the extremely small timeframe that Pinnacle's píss-poor punt at purchasing a football club during exclusivity left, we were extremely lucky to get the owner we did. Investment every year, buying proven players and developing the academy. I can't remember any of the other suitors at the time. Perhaps those who dispute the verbiage on the plaque would indulge us with an alternate history. Paul Allen moored in Shamrock Quay standing by and ready to fire cannonballs of cash into St Mary's, was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Some fantastic photos of it here... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141105-gallery-explore-the-markus-liebherr-pavilion-2064167.aspx My personal favourite: good skillz bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 As we've seen throughout the leagues. there are different kinds of owners. You want bad? Check out the poor bastards up in Coventry who've spent a season having to watch "home" games in Northampton, without any hope of things getting better in the near future. What about Mike Ashley, taking his fans for granted, utterly uninterested in doing anything other than tread the Premier League waters while he masterminds his plan to get Rangers into the English leagues. Say what you like about the recent whar's-me-stripes Saints kits, but that's nowt compared to what Vincent Tan did to Cardiff and their traditions. Given the extremely small timeframe that Pinnacle's píss-poor punt at purchasing a football club during exclusivity left, we were extremely lucky to get the owner we did. Investment every year, buying proven players and developing the academy. I can't remember any of the other suitors at the time. Perhaps those who dispute the verbiage on the plaque would indulge us with an alternate history. Paul Allen moored in Shamrock Quay standing by and ready to fire cannonballs of cash into St Mary's, was he? Yes, he was but has sworn me to secrecy....oops.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 As we've seen throughout the leagues. there are different kinds of owners. You want bad? Check out the poor bastards up in Coventry who've spent a season having to watch "home" games in Northampton, without any hope of things getting better in the near future. What about Mike Ashley, taking his fans for granted, utterly uninterested in doing anything other than tread the Premier League waters while he masterminds his plan to get Rangers into the English leagues. Say what you like about the recent whar's-me-stripes Saints kits, but that's nowt compared to what Vincent Tan did to Cardiff and their traditions. Given the extremely small timeframe that Pinnacle's píss-poor punt at purchasing a football club during exclusivity left, we were extremely lucky to get the owner we did. Investment every year, buying proven players and developing the academy. I can't remember any of the other suitors at the time. Perhaps those who dispute the verbiage on the plaque would indulge us with an alternate history. Paul Allen moored in Shamrock Quay standing by and ready to fire cannonballs of cash into St Mary's, was he? Agree with all that. We are clearly very lucky to have got who we got and there is no doubt things would have been very different without Markus. We are being run in the right way. I liked what a poster said earlier about the word saved potentially meaning saving the football club in the form we know today- a professional outfit that is admired. I think that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Possibly. Certainly more likely to over something I experience in real life than a video on YouTube but as someone correctly pointed out earlier, we are all different. Glad to see that you (possibly) have some kind of an emotional attachment to SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Sorry mate there is no credible evidence that we would have been liquidated. You can peddle that fantasy if it makes you feel better but it doesn't make it true. I dont want to prolong this because this is meant to be a proud and significant day. But you are wrong. Just because you and most others could not possibly know what was happening on the inside during those turbulent weeks does not mean its not true. I have met the Administrator many many times, and his team. We were days away from turning off the lights, fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Ralph, you tell me which wall you want me to run through and I'm on it! I'll have him alongside me in a trench any day of the week, even if he can't say Premier. What a great tribute to the man who saved our club, and who we remember at every home game. We have come a long way, we are in good hands. Football is nice again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 I like Ralph's account of Markus's first priority on entering the club. "It wasn't to spend money on players, but to find out how the small local companies and creditors were affected." Could he be having a dig at another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 I like Ralph's account of Markus's first priority on entering the club. "It wasn't to spend money on players, but to find out how the small local companies and creditors were affected." Could he be having a dig at another club? Possibly, but I doubt Portsmouth is even on his radar given his Canadian background and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Markus saved our club. Sure, as Hypo and CB Fry point out, we almost certainly would have been bought by somebody else, but I don't think it's too outlandish to say that Markus is the best person that could have bought it. Who else has recently bought football clubs? Off the top of my head, Mike Ashley, Vincent Tan, Mohamed Al-Fayed, Portsmouth Supporter's Trust, Daniel Levy (not really that recent, but you get the point). Would any of those brought us anywhere near to where we are today? No. We'd be languishing in League One still, if not League Two. Even if you disagree with my point as Hypo and CB Fry doubtlessly will, surely you agree that this is a fitting tribute to Markus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Well I thought that was a fitting tribute to Markus, lovely to see his scarf presented to the club. The facility looks tremendous, and can only help to enhance our growing reputation. Also giving our players and youth the perfect environment to reach their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Pretty false reasoning there, no? Just because someone else could have bought the club, the person that did can't be credited with saving the club? Without action, the club would have folded. Therefore whoever takes that action must be credited with saving the club. Or, by your reasoning, if two people are standing by a pool where someone is drowning, no matter who jumps in to help, neither will have technically saved them because the other one could have. An analogy that's worth repeating because it hits the nail on the head. Markus saved our club and for that I'll be eternally grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Would be nice to make the actual stadium a bit more like this as well. A lot of character in the training ground now and having some of this in the fan areas would add to the atmosphere I feel. Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 I dont want to prolong this because this is meant to be a proud and significant day. But you are wrong. Just because you and most others could not possibly know what was happening on the inside during those turbulent weeks does not mean its not true. I have met the Administrator many many times, and his team. We were days away from turning off the lights, fact. Sorry mate will have to agree to disagree. You may think we were going to do something that no other club in our position has ever done (even those who were "days from liquidation") but the truth is we weren't going to get liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Markus saved our club. Sure, as Hypo and CB Fry point out, we almost certainly would have been bought by somebody else, but I don't think it's too outlandish to say that Markus is the best person that could have bought it. Who else has recently bought football clubs? Off the top of my head, Mike Ashley, Vincent Tan, Mohamed Al-Fayed, Portsmouth Supporter's Trust, Daniel Levy (not really that recent, but you get the point). Would any of those brought us anywhere near to where we are today? No. We'd be languishing in League One still, if not League Two. Even if you disagree with my point as Hypo and CB Fry doubtlessly will, surely you agree that this is a fitting tribute to Markus. Why would I (and I think I can speak for Hypo here too) disagree with what you say here? I think you completely misunderstood the point made. I agree with you, ML is/was the best owner of any club full stop. And his daughter has taken it on. Just watched the Kat/Ralph video. Brilliant. You can see Ralph cutting a more confident pose these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Markus saved our club. Sure, as Hypo and CB Fry point out, we almost certainly would have been bought by somebody else, but I don't think it's too outlandish to say that Markus is the best person that could have bought it. Who else has recently bought football clubs? Off the top of my head, Mike Ashley, Vincent Tan, Mohamed Al-Fayed, Portsmouth Supporter's Trust, Daniel Levy (not really that recent, but you get the point). Would any of those brought us anywhere near to where we are today? No. We'd be languishing in League One still, if not League Two. Even if you disagree with my point as Hypo and CB Fry doubtlessly will, surely you agree that this is a fitting tribute to Markus. Nope. I agree with everything you have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Because, 1) unlike Noodles trolling, we were very close to "going bust" i.e liquidation, and 2) there were no other credible buyers. Yes of course you can speculate that AN Other party would have turned up, but even if they had, there was no time for another deal Spot on, I was at a meeting about the time of the Mickey Fialka fiasco where Mary Corbett in the presence of Lawrie McMenemy and Leon Crouch stated that the club had run out of money and that SFC was on the point of liquidation as there was no money to fund administration which was now not possible. Markus having the funds was the only way the club could be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldridge Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 http://instagram.com/p/vB-sKaTgyC/?modal=true Saint Armstrong, the intense brooding face is not suitable for young baby-faced men! Stop stop stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Love this club so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Remember this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Why would I (and I think I can speak for Hypo here too) disagree with what you say here? I think you completely misunderstood the point made. I agree with you, ML is/was the best owner of any club full stop. And his daughter has taken it on. Just watched the Kat/Ralph video. Brilliant. You can see Ralph cutting a more confident pose these days. You were saying that even though Markus is the best owner for the club, he didn't technically save it, because if he didn't actually save it, then someone else could have technically saved it. Actually. Point well made. A popular opinion, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Would be nice to make the actual stadium a bit more like this as well. A lot of character in the training ground now and having some of this in the fan areas would add to the atmosphere I feel. Don't worry amigo, in the players tunnel this exact style is already in place, check out one of the recent home game behind the scenes, within the 1st 30 secs of the sunderland one :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHaXOmOer0&list=PLM7o8Rfl9FTlBaPRh4gxNdsUSZen32yYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 (edited) Don't worry amigo, in the players tunnel this exact style is already in place, check out one of the recent home game behind the scenes, within the 1st 30 secs of the sunderland one :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHaXOmOer0&list=PLM7o8Rfl9FTlBaPRh4gxNdsUSZen32yYP Yeah I've seen it a bit in the behind the scenes videos. I can't help but think though that the stadium would be quite different had it been built when this regime were in charge. I wonder if they will look to change anything. Edited 5 November, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 You were saying that even though Markus is the best owner for the club, he didn't technically save it, because if he didn't actually save it, then someone else could have technically saved it. Actually. Point well made. A popular opinion, too. You can argue about the use of the word saved but the implication for some on here was that without Markus the club would have ceased to exist and I disagree. Anyway let's move on from it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 You were saying that even though Markus is the best owner for the club, he didn't technically save it, because if he didn't actually save it, then someone else could have technically saved it. Actually. Point well made. A popular opinion, too. Quote me where I have said anything remotely approaching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Quote me where I have said anything remotely approaching that. I never said that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 :mcinnes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Just amazing how a couple of d ickheads can turn a feelgood thread into a bickering w ankfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Just amazing how a couple of d ickheads can turn a feelgood thread into a bickering w ankfest. Odd you should think that when all I've done is reply to people who have said things to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 I never said that either. We're all golden then What will this new 'phase 2' extension have that wasn't already built in phase 1, do we know? I see the official statement says 'education facilities, as well as a treatment room, sports laboratory and additional gym facilities'... is this all just extra facilities or is some of this missing in the current build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 We're all golden then What will this new 'phase 2' extension have that wasn't already built in phase 1, do we know? I see the official statement says 'education facilities, as well as a treatment room, sports laboratory and additional gym facilities'... is this all just extra facilities or is some of this missing in the current build? Yep. No-one disagrees with the wording on the plaque. Markus Liebherr saved the club. We're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 That was lovely, Kat looked so touched and I think it is a fitting tribute to the man. I'm very pleased to see the scarf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Anyone got the Les Reed interview ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Odd you should think that when all I've done is reply to people who have said things to me. Nice to see that you agree with the description of yourself as a d ickhead, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Some fantastic photos of it here... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141105-gallery-explore-the-markus-liebherr-pavilion-2064167.aspx My personal favourite: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 It's who we are , Southampton . We March On Great words. . Thank you Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Yep. No-one disagrees with the wording on the plaque. Markus Liebherr saved the club. We're good. It's just the definition of saved which is different I feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Someone must have done that as a joke surely ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 5 November, 2014 Share Posted 5 November, 2014 Ignore any trolling/fishing on this thread. That fell on deaf ears then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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