Ex Lion Tamer Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 This article presents a surprisingly strong case for why the tories could do a deal with the SNP http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/government-tories-snp-conservatives-nicola-sturgeon
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 http://100disabledpeople.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/100-disabled-people-letter-to-uk.html
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/remember-those-killed-tory-austerity-5642530 Had I not been so central, dave would have lost me with his "career defining" ahem "country defining" moment. This type of leftie crap would have pushed me back over the line. Edited 6 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Guardian only 185k readers., it seems most of them post on here. 8 million readers online
View From The Top Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Had I not been so central, dave would have lost me with his "career defining" ahem "country defining" moment. This type of leftie crap would have pushed me back over the line. What utter bol loxs. It's just bullsh_it like the tory press's front pages so stop being such a delicate flower.
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 This article presents a surprisingly strong case for why the tories could do a deal with the SNP http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/government-tories-snp-conservatives-nicola-sturgeon If that happened, it'd show politics up to be a bigger fraud than anyone could have imagined. The SNP + Conservatives are as unaligned (so Nicola Sturgeon would have us believe) as Kinnock + Thatcher.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/05/01/victory-for-vox-political-dwp-ordered-to-give-details-of-benefit-related-deaths/
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Had I not been so central, dave would have lost me with his "career defining" ahem "country defining" moment. This type of leftie crap would have pushed me back over the line. You are a leaf on the wind, Bognoramus. A leaf on the wind.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Had I not been so central, dave would have lost me with his "career defining" ahem "country defining" moment. This type of leftie crap would have pushed me back over the line. Blood on your hands.
scotty Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 That's despicable, trying to make political capital out of people's deaths. Is it any worse than the tory press shoving john major back in ahead of kinnockio? "Its the sun wot won it"? Like it or not, anything goes the day before an election. My personal approach is to avoid any political news coverage. Private Eye, Viz and The Onion give me all the information I need to decide on my vote.
CB Saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/remember-those-killed-tory-austerity-5642530 I don't care what political point is being made, to do so in such a manner is just crass.
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I don't care what political point is being made, to do so in such a manner is just crass. Agreed. It's ridiculous.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I don't care what political point is being made, to do so in such a manner is just crass.
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) Blood on your hands. Child rape on your hands??? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2939129/Two-local-councillors-corrupt-police-officer-accused-having-sex-victims-Rotherham-abuse-scandal.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11391314/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-scandal-council-not-fit-for-purpose.html Millions of innocent dead Iraqi men, women and children anyone??? Actually, I really should not stoop as low.... As the mirror Edited 6 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Child rape on your hands??? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2939129/Two-local-councillors-corrupt-police-officer-accused-having-sex-victims-Rotherham-abuse-scandal.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11391314/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-scandal-council-not-fit-for-purpose.html Millions of innocent dead Iraqi men, women and children anyone??? actually, I really should not stoop as low.... I dont see any Greens involved there?
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Child rape on your hands??? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2939129/Two-local-councillors-corrupt-police-officer-accused-having-sex-victims-Rotherham-abuse-scandal.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11391314/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-scandal-council-not-fit-for-purpose.html Millions of innocent dead Iraqi men, women and children??? That's political dirt that you can't throw about without covering the whole House in shít. If you don't know that, you've no business in the discussion.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Yes, it's awful. Why, in the build up to an election, should the current governments policies be examined to see if they may have actually led to the death of the people that it should protect? Disgusting.
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I dont see any Greens involved there? if you're gonna use that, at least dish it out equally
SuperMikey Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Taking the politics out of that article (which kinda gives itself away if you hadn't guessed already by asking 'Are You Voting Labour?' at the bottom of the page), this is the reality of cuts to welfare and other areas. People may prefer to look dispassionately at the cuts as simply numbers on a piece of paper but at the end of the day there are people that are driven into poverty or far worse by cuts that have hit those at the bottom the hardest. In contrast to that, UK banks have given out over £80bn in bonuses since they were bailed out in 2008. Even as somebody who works in that industry, that sickens me. Considering the effect that austerity has had on people in the UK with wages falling and over a million people using food banks, you would've hoped that our glorious leaders maybe would've used their noggins and temporarily suspended bonus schemes on banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer and used the money to cover our shortfalls. Much easier to demonise the poor and then cut their money than to explain to your mates in the city why they're not able to get that nice villa in Tuscany this year though isn't it?
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 if you're gonna use that, at least dish it out equally What a reactionary bunch you Tory voters are. I still haven't seen a cogent defence of any policy you're voting for. "Don't vote Labour because the Mirror printed an article!" Because that's politics.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Taking the politics out of that article (which kinda gives itself away if you hadn't guessed already by asking 'Are You Voting Labour?' at the bottom of the page), this is the reality of cuts to welfare and other areas. People may prefer to look dispassionately at the cuts as simply numbers on a piece of paper but at the end of the day there are people that are driven into poverty or far worse by cuts that have hit those at the bottom the hardest. In contrast to that, UK banks have given out over £80bn in bonuses since they were bailed out in 2008. Even as somebody who works in that industry, that sickens me. Considering the effect that austerity has had on people in the UK with wages falling and over a million people using food banks, you would've hoped that our glorious leaders maybe would've used their noggins and temporarily suspended bonus schemes on banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer and used the money to cover our shortfalls. Much easier to demonise the poor and then cut their money than to explain to your mates in the city why they're not able to get that nice villa in Tuscany this year though isn't it?
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 That's political dirt that you can't throw about without covering the whole House in shít. If you don't know that, you've no business in the discussion. fair comment. we can agree on something
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Taking the politics out of that article (which kinda gives itself away if you hadn't guessed already by asking 'Are You Voting Labour?' at the bottom of the page), this is the reality of cuts to welfare and other areas. People may prefer to look dispassionately at the cuts as simply numbers on a piece of paper but at the end of the day there are people that are driven into poverty or far worse by cuts that have hit those at the bottom the hardest. In contrast to that, UK banks have given out over £80bn in bonuses since they were bailed out in 2008. Even as somebody who works in that industry, that sickens me. Considering the effect that austerity has had on people in the UK with wages falling and over a million people using food banks, you would've hoped that our glorious leaders maybe would've used their noggins and temporarily suspended bonus schemes on banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer and used the money to cover our shortfalls. Much easier to demonise the poor and then cut their money than to explain to your mates in the city why they're not able to get that nice villa in Tuscany this year though isn't it? More cuts for kids now equals more social problems, and more fully grown and entirely avoidable dangers to society down the line. Mind you, if there's as little consideration for the short-term knock-on effects, perhaps we're asking too much with all this long-term malarkey.
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 In contrast to that, UK banks have given out over £80bn in bonuses since they were bailed out in 2008. Even as somebody who works in that industry, that sickens me. Considering the effect that austerity has had on people in the UK with wages falling and over a million people using food banks, you would've hoped that our glorious leaders maybe would've used their noggins and temporarily suspended bonus schemes on banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer and used the money to cover our shortfalls. Much easier to demonise the poor and then cut their money than to explain to your mates in the city why they're not able to get that nice villa in Tuscany this year though isn't it? More than the bonuses, my biggest beef is that not a single banker has been prosecuted. There are people in the system who knew that what they were doing was fraudulent on so many fronts. That's is what creates the injustice for me. if I defrauded someone, I would expect to be punished. At least the yanks stuck the execs of Enron in the slammer
Hockey_saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Taking the politics out of that article (which kinda gives itself away if you hadn't guessed already by asking 'Are You Voting Labour?' at the bottom of the page), this is the reality of cuts to welfare and other areas. People may prefer to look dispassionately at the cuts as simply numbers on a piece of paper but at the end of the day there are people that are driven into poverty or far worse by cuts that have hit those at the bottom the hardest. In contrast to that, UK banks have given out over £80bn in bonuses since they were bailed out in 2008. Even as somebody who works in that industry, that sickens me. Considering the effect that austerity has had on people in the UK with wages falling and over a million people using food banks, you would've hoped that our glorious leaders maybe would've used their noggins and temporarily suspended bonus schemes on banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer and used the money to cover our shortfalls. Much easier to demonise the poor and then cut their money than to explain to your mates in the city why they're not able to get that nice villa in Tuscany this year though isn't it? I always thought it funny before the last election those people who voted Tory because they thought they'd be tough on the banks who got us into this mess.....Don't be silly!! They're all great mates! why would we give 11% pay rises to nurses when we could give 95% ones to their banking mates to spunk on westminister hookers and charlie?
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 if you're gonna use that, at least dish it out equally OK Miliband's competency should be highly doubted because he has an "odd" appearance and voice, and he once nearly tripped over slighty.
Torres Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Yes, it's awful. Why, in the build up to an election, should the current governments policies be examined to see if they may have actually led to the death of the people that it should protect? Disgusting. Because the only link between their deaths and benefit cuts is that they were in receipt of benefits. It proves absolutely nothing else. There is no causality. If you want to pretend there is, you might as well argue that benefit cuts have been a positive thing because the majority of recipients didn't die. It would be equal nonsense.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Because the only link between their deaths and benefit cuts is that they were in receipt of benefits. It proves absolutely nothing else. There is no causality. If you want to pretend there is, you might as well argue that benefit cuts have been a positive thing because the majority of recipients didn't die. It would be equal nonsense. https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) Just about sums up the party leaders... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhoDrSv7Q8 Edited 6 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
CB Saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 i don't get your point. How does this picture excuse the article in the mirror?
Jonnyboy Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 This is why non-verbal media skills are so important. By the way - top skills! Thats some Bearsy level sh*t right there Pap.
Hockey_saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother I think to most people with a heart that sounds pretty conclusive.......wait for the excuses....
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/remember-those-killed-tory-austerity-5642530 That article is over the top and probably misrepresents some facts. The Mirror is a tabloid after all. But some people definitely have died needlessly due the government's cruel benefits sanctions regime
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 By the way - top skills! [emoji38] Thats some Bearsy level sh*t right there Pap. Cheers, JB, but I'm just a Googler/Storyboarder/Inker. I searched "sad Batman" on Google, and found that little collection of wonders, organised them into a chronology, and drew rounded rectangles. Jamie wrote the vast majority of material.
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 6 MP's were charged and convicted of expenses fraud. Care to google which party these were from? Aside of the 6 labour MP's prosecuted, theyve all got their snouts in the trough. Blue, red and even green. Yes green!!! thats why I can't vote for any of them.
hypochondriac Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 That article is over the top and probably misrepresents some facts. The Mirror is a tabloid after all. But some people definitely have died needlessly due the government's cruel benefits sanctions regime Many people died needlessly when labour were last in power but it doesn't seem to stop people voting for them.
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 [emoji38] "That thing's operational" "It's a trap!" Death Star sets targeting level "brown", on Grand Moff Farage's command.
Coxford_lou Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I'm undecided between Ex lion Tamer and Pap as owning this thread. Can we have a vote off?
Hockey_saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 6 MP's were charged and convicted of expenses fraud. Care to google which party these were from? Aside of the 6 labour MP's prosecuted, theyve all got their snouts in the trough. Blue, red and even green. Yes green!!! thats why I can't vote for any of them. Come on; I've seen Eastenders! just because they drop the charges for lack of evidence, it doesn't mean you're innocent! Although I like the fact that the Tory MP's bought things like moats and the labour ones were slightly work...shall we say....less arisrocratic choices.....
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I'm undecided between Ex lion Tamer and Pap as owning this thread. Can we have a vote off? Ah, give it to Ex Lion Tamer. He is nicer and more patient than I, especially when putting serious points across. I'm just pleased to be playing.
Coxford_lou Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Ah, give it to Ex Lion Tamer. He is nicer and more patient than I, especially when putting serious points across. I'm just pleased to be playing. You're entertaining though. Can anyone set up a poll?!
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) Come on; I've seen Eastenders! just because they drop the charges for lack of evidence, it doesn't mean you're innocent! Although I like the fact that the Tory MP's bought things like moats and the labour ones were slightly work...shall we say....less arisrocratic choices..... Meanwhile Caroline Lucas criticises mp's for having 2nd jobs, whilst she devotes every waking hour to serve her electorate (her words, not mine). She must have written her soon to be published book for which she'll make thousands, in her sleep. Most politicians cash in after they are an mp, this so called caring sharing leftie/hypocrite (delete as applicable) couldn't wait to cash in. john Prescott (the union man) having mock Tudor beams fitted to the front of his constituency home., courtesy of the tax payer. That's not very aristocratic is it???? labour mp claiming for porn films??? I could go on but its not a party thing. It is endemic across all parties and is quite frankly disgusting. But if you want to delude yourself that it is just a Tory thing, crack on. Your people will get richer at your expense. Edited 6 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
pap Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) You're entertaining though. Can anyone set up a poll?! Seriously, I don't want it to be as reductive as that. Just as executive power cannot be transferred via sword doled out by a watery tart (Michael Palin's words, not mine, take it up with him), we don't really own threads around here. Other posters, that's all the rage. We wear our latest cunning insults as hats. Thread ownage? It's not a custom, and I'm not comfy with being on a shortlist of two decided by a onelist of one when so many others have contributed, on issues that affect all. If there's to be a poll, I think it best if every contributor was included. Edited 6 May, 2015 by pap
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 I bet the labour candidate in mid staffs is unhappy with The Mirror asking people to think of the people killed by political decisions when casting your vote
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 Meanwhile catherine Lucas criticises mp's for having 2nd jobs, whilst she devotes every waking hour to serve her electorate (her words, not mine). She must have written her soon to be published book for which she'll make thousands, in her sleep. Most politicians cash in after they are an mp, this so called caring sharing leftie/hypocrite (delete as applicable) couldn't wait to cash in. john Prescott (the union man) having mock Tudor beams fitted to the front of his constituency home. That's not very aristocratic is it???? According to someone I know who worked with her many years ago, that's not her real name, she changed it to sound "less posh" Edit: sorry, thought you were talking about Caroline Lucas!
trousers Posted 6 May, 2015 Author Posted 6 May, 2015 If that happened, it'd show politics up to be a bigger fraud than anyone could have imagined. The SNP + Conservatives are as unaligned (so Nicola Sturgeon would have us believe) as Kinnock + Thatcher. The SNP relied on Tory support when they were a minority government in Holyrood pre-2011.
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Posted 6 May, 2015 According to someone I know who worked with her many years ago, that's not her real name, she changed it to sound "less posh" Edit: sorry, thought you were talking about Caroline Lucas! i meant Caroline or whatever she calls herself now, in a bid to delude people. i personally would like to see real people in politics with real life experience from all walks of life. Only then will we have real representation.
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