KelvinsRightGlove Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Is that all? As for free-thinking, the Indy's readership seems far to the right of the politics of the paper. A recent example was an article comprehensively debunking the anti-Semitic myth that Nathan Rothschild built his vast wealth on the back of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo. The article's comments section was a study in vicious anti-Semitism. To illustrate, with a neat piece of anachronistic 'Zionist' window dressing: And this one is clearly from someone who's 'special': So in going for more of the political same, the paper is, if anything, pandering to the baser instincts of its readers. NEVER READ THE COMMENTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Is that all? As for free-thinking, the Indy's readership seems far to the right of the politics of the paper. A recent example was an article comprehensively debunking the anti-Semitic myth that Nathan Rothschild built his vast wealth on the back of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo. The article's comments section was a study in vicious anti-Semitism. To illustrate, with a neat piece of anachronistic 'Zionist' window dressing: And this one is clearly from someone who's 'special': So in going for more of the political same, the paper is, if anything, pandering to the baser instincts of its readers. Bwa-ha-ha. Verbal reading the Independent's comments section as part of his research. Tell us, did you work out how to make $3000 per day from home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Is that all? As for free-thinking, the Indy's readership seems far to the right of the politics of the paper. A recent example was an article comprehensively debunking the anti-Semitic myth that Nathan Rothschild built his vast wealth on the back of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo. The article's comments section was a study in vicious anti-Semitism. To illustrate, with a neat piece of anachronistic 'Zionist' window dressing: And this one is clearly from someone who's 'special': So in going for more of the political same, the paper is, if anything, pandering to the baser instincts of its readers. There seems to be an anti semitic neo Nazi group who spam up message boards regardless of the actual publication. I doubt they regularly read the paper. I can honestly say Id never come across anti semitism in the UK until the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 There seems to be an anti semitic neo Nazi group who spam up message boards regardless of the actual publication. I doubt they regularly read the paper. I can honestly say Id never come across anti semitism in the UK until the internet. Or on SaintsWeb until Verbal tells someone they are/someone else is. I mean, what the actual fúck? Where did that come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 There seems to be an anti semitic neo Nazi group who spam up message boards regardless of the actual publication. I doubt they regularly read the paper. I can honestly say Id never come across anti semitism in the UK until the internet. Perhaps. The Indy is one of the few national newspaper sites that doesn't moderate. Even the Mail deletes this stuff. However, there's a real far-right-wing tug to a lot of the Indy's stories if you go and look at the troglodytes under the articles. So their declaring for the Tories and the rump of the Lib Dems is no surprise. Or on SaintsWeb until Verbal tells someone they are/someone else is. I mean, what the actual fúck? Where did that come from? Touched a nerve, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 (edited) Touched a nerve, I see. Nah, just shown yourself up again. Can you lend me three grand please? You make that every day, right?* * sorry, doing the Verbal "simple assumption" thing concerning the seriousness with which you treat comments on the Independent. EDIT: That's $3000 USD, so just under £2K sterling ta. Edited 5 May, 2015 by pap Currency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SO16_Saint Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I'm not a political guru but not unintelligent either, but how does it work out that UKIP have (roughly) 15% of the vote and Lib Dems 10% but UKIP are projected to get (roughly) 5 seats and Lib Dems 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I'm not a political guru but not unintelligent either, but how does it work out that UKIP have (roughly) 15% of the vote and Lib Dems 10% but UKIP are projected to get (roughly) 5 seats and Lib Dems 15. First past the post system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I'm not a political guru but not unintelligent either, but how does it work out that UKIP have (roughly) 15% of the vote and Lib Dems 10% but UKIP are projected to get (roughly) 5 seats and Lib Dems 15. Depends how the votes are spread over the constituencies. I think you're looking at it from a PR point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I'm not a political guru but not unintelligent either, but how does it work out that UKIP have (roughly) 15% of the vote and Lib Dems 10% but UKIP are projected to get (roughly) 5 seats and Lib Dems 15. Electoral system which means that the popular vote rarely squares with the number of seats. It's one of the reasons that your vote is largely meaningless outside of 150 or so marginals. Those places decide the balance of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Rachel Reeves is basically Ed Milliband Mk II isnt she ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 The vice-chair of Labour's general election campaign, Lucy Powell, has suggested that Ed Miliband could break his election pledges which he had had carved onto a limestone tablet at great expense. But then when it became clear that she had committed a major gaffe by saying so, she back-tracked and denied she had said it or suggested that she had been misquoted. Her words are recorded for all to hear and they sound unambiguous enough. It appears that instead of being made of stone, the tablet is in fact made of the same stuff as Miliband's feet - clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 The vice-chair of Labour's general election campaign, Lucy Powell, has suggested that Ed Miliband could break his election pledges which he had had carved onto a limestone tablet at great expense. But then when it became clear that she had committed a major gaffe by saying so, she back-tracked and denied she had said it or suggested that she had been misquoted. Her words are recorded for all to hear and they sound unambiguous enough. It appears that instead of being made of stone, the tablet is in fact made of the same stuff as Miliband's feet - clay. Politician in lying shocker. Not as though any of the other guys have done the same, eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Politician in lying shocker. Not as though any of the other guys have done the same, eh No, but going to the trouble of having your lies carved into stone is perhaps a step too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Like the references. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I'm not a political guru but not unintelligent either, but how does it work out that UKIP have (roughly) 15% of the vote and Lib Dems 10% but UKIP are projected to get (roughly) 5 seats and Lib Dems 15. For the same reason the SNP could get c.50 seats from c.5% of the UK vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Like the references. Very good. Cheers. I knew that'd play well with a certain section of the electorate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Cheers. I knew that'd play well with a certain section of the electorate The moronic section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 The moronic section? The specific subset of morons that was raised by VHS in an age so crazy, some people believed that Amstrad was an acceptable brand. I am proud to be among this group (raised by VHS moron. F**k Amstrad gear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 And yet, you're ostensibly allowing the election to be defined by Russell Brand's involvement here. And C List? The dude has appeared in Hollywood movies and was married to Katy Perry for a bit. That's at least B list, I reckon. Lol. No, he is c list, as in 4 letter word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Is that all? As for free-thinking, the Indy's readership seems far to the right of the politics of the paper. . From my impeccable sources at Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Well this sums up UKIP, this is in my constituency; http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/robert-blay-ukip-suspends-parliamentary-5641537 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Depends how the votes are spread over the constituencies. I think you're looking at it from a PR point of view. What, the point of view that parliament should actually reflect the will of the voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Well this sums up UKIP, this is in my constituency; http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/robert-blay-ukip-suspends-parliamentary-5641537 Probably plays well with your average UKIP voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Lol. No, he is c list, as in 4 letter word Great stuff, OldNick. Bases covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 What, the point of view that parliament should actually reflect the will of the voters? It never has up to now, why should you expect it to be different this time around ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 What, the point of view that parliament should actually reflect the will of the voters? That's not the way it works. We vote for the representatives and they get on with it until the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Probably plays well with your average UKIP voter. Lord Duckhunter to the thread, paging Lord Duckhunter. At least something interesting is finally happening in Basingstoke. About bloody time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Lord Duckhunter to the thread, paging Lord Duckhunter. At least something interesting is finally happening in Basingstoke. About bloody time.. I'll start him off... Yeah, but [name some random Labour person] did [some other thing] which if UKIP did it it would be all over the papers and no mistake. It's, like, a leftie conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Wolfy boy, that hardened leftie, delivering the goods once again: The time has come to shift the focus from fiscal deficits and debt http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3249930a-f27c-11e4-892a-00144feab7de.html?siteedition=uk#axzz3Z6bo6yGp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 I like this Guardian map showing where they think the constituencies will go. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/apr/20/election-2015-constituency-map Backs up Verbal's claim of London being a Labour town. London loves social democracy, it'd seem. The other striking thing about the map is that rural vs post-industrial does just fine for describing most of the Labour/Tory split. I also like that Southampton is the only little bit of red in a sea of blue. And to think, the Tories among us want to turn our little city the colour of our rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Well this sums up UKIP, this is in my constituency; http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/robert-blay-ukip-suspends-parliamentary-5641537 Whilst the guy's comments of course have no place, there has also been relentless attacks across the country on UKIP through this whole general election campaign which has gone unreported by the mainstream media and the British Brainwashing Corporation. UKIP shops have been consistently attacked, having their windows smashed through etc . Candidates have been threatened and intimidated even to the point of death threats (i know of one personally) yes like the idiot you've linked. Even in universities there's been attempts to silence UKIP. If there was a similar right wing element doing these things to Labour or the Green Party it would not be tolerated, but because it's the other way round it's no problem. The media have pushed a narrative about UKIP by for years by picking up on any bad egg the party has had and blowing it up into a huge national news story whilst ignoring those from other parties. And there are plenty of wronguns from all the main parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 looks like the sun and the daily mail have lost the plot with there headlines on the tomorrows front pages,looks like panic has set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 May, 2015 Share Posted 5 May, 2015 Whilst the guy's comments of course have no place, there has also been relentless attacks across the country on UKIP through this whole general election campaign which has gone unreported by the mainstream media and the British Brainwashing Corporation. UKIP shops have been consistently attacked, having their windows smashed through etc . Candidates have been threatened and intimidated even to the point of death threats (i know of one personally) yes like the idiot you've linked. Even in universities there's been attempts to silence UKIP. If there was a similar right wing element doing these things to Labour or the Green Party it would not be tolerated, but because it's the other way round it's no problem. The media have pushed a narrative about UKIP by for years by picking up on any bad egg the party has had and blowing it up into a huge national news story whilst ignoring those from other parties. And there are plenty of wronguns from all the main parties. I'm with you to an extent, but only a certain extent. I disagreed with the principles of dragging up a school letter. On slow news days, we're getting UKIP headline grabbers from 2003 being dressed up as stuff they say today. The constant refrain about UKIP is that Farage comes across well but they've no depth, and beyond Farage, anything goes. Even Farage himself has changed; I liked him a lot better when he was delivering barnstorming speeches about sovereignty in the EU Parliament, a lot less when he's trying to appeal to the baser (and unfounded) fears of the electorate. I've seen two articles on UKIP Parliamentary candidates today. This guy, who vowed to kill any Asian Prime Minister, and another, who has a spent conviction for arson. Now I am a big believer in rehabilitation, but fielding a candidate with an arson charge (spent or not) as a Parliamentary candidate perhaps gives an idea of the talent they had available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 ffs the press of this country are an embarrassment. Would think even the Tory diehards would resent reading such desperate partisan drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 (edited) You can just hear the anguished cries from within Labour campaign offices when they saw the footage and photos of Sturgeon in that little Number 10 play house. Edited 6 May, 2015 by Torres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 . I also like that Southampton is the only little bit of red in a sea of blue. And to think, the Tories among us want to turn our little city the colour of our rivals Ah, check my location. It's more fun fighting behind enemy lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Ah, election eve. Tomorrow we will be done with this circus. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Ah, election eve. Tomorrow we will be done with this circus. Thank God. Tomorrow (well, Friday) is when the real circus starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Was Ed Milliband's refusal to do a deal with the SNP a lie, or an admission that Labour don't want this next government, building up for a proper leader for the next election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Was Ed Milliband's refusal to do a deal with the SNP a lie, or an admission that Labour don't want this next government, building up for a proper leader for the next election? It's not a lie. Why on earth would Labour start talking about doing deals with a party that is about to take 30 - odd seats directly from them? Really weird people can't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 It's not a lie. Why on earth would Labour start talking about doing deals with a party that is about to take 30 - odd seats directly from them? Really weird people can't understand that. But less weird people can ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 It's not a lie. Why on earth would Labour start talking about doing deals with a party that is about to take 30 - odd seats directly from them? Really weird people can't understand that. I think Labour might have played this very well. As you say if they cosy up to the SNP they are effectively giving up in Scotland which would make a very fragile state of affairs should the SNP self implode over the next 5 years. The SNP went early on their anyone but Tory campaign so they really have to back Labour regardless of whether Labour invite them to the party or not. So Labour get the SNP backing, and still get a chance to fight their corner at the next election when I suspect the SNP will have a stronger devolution emphasis to their manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Ah, election eve. Tomorrow we will be done with this circus. Thank God. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 It's not a lie. Why on earth would Labour start talking about doing deals with a party that is about to take 30 - odd seats directly from them? Really weird people can't understand that. Hence why I believe they don't want this election.It's a tacit admission that they cannot deal with the economy, with them knowing another government presiding over an economy that fails will be the end of the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Ah, election eve. Tomorrow we will be done with this circus. Thank God. I'm quite looking forward to exercising my prerogative in one of those private booths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 I'm quite looking forward to exercising my prerogative in one of those private booths. Be careful not to spoil your paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Been out of the country for 3 weeks - a mighty fine idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 6 May, 2015 Share Posted 6 May, 2015 Shame we don't have the 'Brewsters millions' option of voting 'none of the above' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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