JackFrost Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 The year is the reason your point falls down. No promise was broken on that pledge. If you believed Murdoch and co, the moronic British public were swayed by his rag of a newspaper. "Last one out, turn off the lights" followed by "It was the Sun wot won it". 1992 election pledge. Get me an advance on that or concede the point. I haven't even made the point you are wanting me to concede. I know no promises were broken on that pledge. Whilst both Labour and the Tories have encouraged (to an extent) NHS treatment to be outsourced privately that's merely an inevitability due to increased demand. There's no way the NHS is sustainable long term without any private involvement. People bash the Tories for wanting to expand the role of private healthcare when it is going to happen regardless of who is in power. My point about that 'Labour ending the privatisation of the NHS' quote in 1992 is simple. That's how long their scare stories about "privatisation by the back door" have been going. They said it then (before 5 years of Conservative government) and their saying exactly the same thing now. Labour can shout those slogans and wave those banners as hard as they want but after a combined 10 years of Conservative led government since then (1992-1997 & 2010-2015) not only has total privatisation of the NHS not happened (It would be political suicide regardless) but Labour themselves have encouraged private involvement to cope with increased demand. Simply because they have no choice. No one has their fingers in their ears here.
bridge too far Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 There's one hell of a difference between the NHS using the spare capacity that the private healthcare sector usually has, probably at an equitable cost, to cope with demand, and farming out clinical services permanently to private providers who then 'give up' when they realise they cannot deliver a service to the public AND a profit for their shareholders.
OldNick Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 But men shouldn't? Dinosaur! If you're looking for a disgusting excuse of a human being, try Iain Duncan Smith for starters. For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to. You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him
Batman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to. You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him that is the labour party for you. Happy to endorse segregated party rallies and such like.....equality my arse
pap Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to. You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him And yet, you're ostensibly allowing the election to be defined by Russell Brand's involvement here. And C List? The dude has appeared in Hollywood movies and was married to Katy Perry for a bit. That's at least B list, I reckon.
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally. disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/ I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al????
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al???? British values???
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al???? Harriet Harpersons old man was one of the speakers, you know him, the bloke that got added to an all women shortlist to win his safe seat. I'm glad these things are now considered " progressive" , perhaps if labour get in my local could adopt this policy. The blokes can sit at and around the bar and the Wags somewhere in the corner.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 (edited) I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al???? I like the bit when one of the speakers at the evernt was pressed about the segregation issue...the response was...... 'and?' this is fuking awful to be honest. what else is acceptable? eastern europeans on one side, brits the other? Blacks one side, whites the other? muslims one side, everyone else the other? gays one side, straight the other? Edited 4 May, 2015 by Batman
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 that is the labour party for you. Happy to endorse segregated party rallies and such like.....equality my arse You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it.
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I like the bit when one of the speakers at the evernt was pressed about the segregation issue...the response was...... 'and?' this is fuking awful to be honest. It is and pandering to it for the sake of votes is plain wrong no matter what party is involved.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I like the bit when one of the speakers at the evernt was pressed about the segregation issue...the response was...... 'and?' this is fuking awful to be honest. I'd be interested in the women and lefties on this forums take on this. I'm sure if it was Nigels golf club they'd have an issue. Perhaps when they get back from their May Day marches they'll comment on it.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it. They all do the same, but far more is made out of it if say, UKiP did something less ridiculous as this....as with many wrongs in this election. If labour are guilty of what ever it is, it is far more tolerated/accepted and in some cases, welcomed
pap Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Arf. If you want to see sinister same sex segregation, go on an Alpha course.
holepuncture Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally. disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/
Patrick Bateman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally. disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/ Woohoo, welcome to the 19th century. Doesn't matter which party, but the fact that is happening in this day and age, in this country, is just utterly ridiculous. Wonder if I'll get away with it tomorrow when I'm commuting; "Women in the aisles, let the men have the room" FFS.
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I'd be interested in the women and lefties on this forums take on this. I'm sure if it was Nigels golf club they'd have an issue. Perhaps when they get back from their May Day marches they'll comment on it. Surprised you're back from the pub. I have a problem whoever or wherever it is. It's wrong plain and simple.
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it.
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Arf. If you want to see sinister same sex segregation, go on an Alpha course. Far from sinister though. You'll be moaning about segregated public lavs next!
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Surprised you're back from the pub. I have a problem whoever or wherever it is. It's wrong plain and simple. Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me. Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me. Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to. you just know she will be asked about this in the next day or so on the news. considering she is high up in the party of equality, pushed hard for woman's rights and that her fella is at this particular event in question... you just know she wont really condemn it..nor will any real labour politician......despite this being very offensive to what this country is all about these days
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Woohoo, welcome to the 19th century. Doesn't matter which party, but the fact that is happening in this day and age, in this country, is just utterly ridiculous. Wonder if I'll get away with it tomorrow when I'm commuting; "Women in the aisles, let the men have the room" FFS. You travel much? 'In this day and age' Western culture is far more developed towards equality but those who enjoy the fairness just think this is a day and age thing. It is about respecting cultures not endorsing segregation
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 You'll be moaning about segregated public lavs next!
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me. Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to. Sums up the Tory campaign - some photo and you are all getting excited. Speaks volumes that all you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. Shattering story one after the other. Ed has had girlfriends. Russell Brand has some money. What next?
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 It is about respecting cultures not endorsing segregation I agree. Nothing wrong with it , I'm attending a stoning next week myself.
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I agree. Nothing wrong with it , I'm attending a stoning next week myself. Hopefully some lefty?
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Hopefully some lefty? I don't know who it is, I've only seen her eyes.
Batman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Sums up the Tory campaign - some photo and you are all getting excited. Speaks volumes that all you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. Shattering story one after the other. Ed has had girlfriends. Russell Brand has some money. What next? same could be said about UKiP.. some loon admitted she had a 'problem' with Black people on telly...and people got all excited. Speaks volumes that you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. What next? (I think both examples are awful and neither should even be endorsed, entertained or just ignored really)
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I don't know who it is, I've only seen her eyes. Ahh caught for online porn I imagine. Trickier to aim when they are buried up to their neck but I'm told it's quicker
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Not that i am a student of Islam or have professed to read the qur'an, but I am pretty sure there is no requirement for segregation when attending Labour Party meetings
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 same could be said about UKiP.. some loon admitted she had a 'problem' with Black people on telly...and people got all excited. Speaks volumes that you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. What next? (I think both examples are awful and neither should even be endorsed, entertained or just ignored really) Tbh I don't think UKIP exposés shatter anyone's illusions. Racists caught being racists is hardly news
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me. Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to. Where as you're so busy in the pub to know what your old lady is up to.
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Not that i am a student of Islam or have professed to read the qur'an, but I am pretty sure there is no requirement for segregation when attending Labour Party meetings It's called being "culturally sensitive". I call it utter bullsh_it.
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 It's called being "culturally sensitive". I call it utter bullsh_it. and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past. it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple.
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past. it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple. Don't tell me 'you're not racist but........'
bridge too far Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past. it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple. You would apply your disapproval to Jewish people in this country too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism
Patrick Bateman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 You would apply your disapproval to Jewish people in this country too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism And who said religion isn't ridiculous and outdated? ...
SuperMikey Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 That segregated rally is disgusting, can't endorse that kind of discrimination. Funny that certain people seem to think that "lefties" won't have a problem with it because it's a Labour convention though - not everyone is so blinded by party politics. RE: Russell Brand as well - I doubt he's in the pocket of the Labour party. If you listen to his justification for his support of them it's because Miliband says that he will pay more attention to grassroots activism of which Brand is a big supporter and advocate. I'm sure he'd probably prefer to throw his support behind the Greens (if anyone watched his interview with Natalie Bennett & Caroline Lucas, you'd see he clearly relates to them and he actually told people to vote for Lucas in Brighton) but asking people to vote Labour is a much more realistic way to get rid of the Tories, especially as they would need the support of other MPs in the Commons to pass their bills so they would have to skew a lot of proposals to the left so that the likes of the SNP, Lib Dems, Greens etc will vote for them and pass them.
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 And who said religion isn't ridiculous and outdated? ... Politics is bad enough. Don't get that one going
Patrick Bateman Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Politics is bad enough. Don't get that one going Yes Dad!
pap Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Far from sinister though. You'll be moaning about segregated public lavs next! I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me. Mileage may vary, of course
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me. Mileage may vary, of course What do you define as a god flavoured pyramid scheme?
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 The forum excelling at mock outrage once again Interesting that it's the lefties trying to play this down. If this had happened to the Tories or ukip then I'm sure they would be reacting the same way...
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me. Mileage may vary, of course Isn't it just a Christian course. And isn't 10% just tithing? Quite like the thought of speaking in tongues though
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Don't tell me 'you're not racist but........' Don't tell me you're not fascist but....
whelk Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Don't tell me you're not fascist but.... .... I do kick my feet up a little too much when walking
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 (edited) You would apply your disapproval to Jewish people in this country too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism i apply it to all people that do not respect that women have equal rights, including the Labour Party. for me, basic human rights trump religious ones every day of the week, because everyone is human whilst not everyone is religious. Edited 4 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
SuperMikey Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 Interesting that it's the lefties trying to play this down. If this had happened to the Tories or ukip then I'm sure they would be reacting the same way... Not everything is left vs right Hypo. Do try and see that. This message was brought to you by the Patronising Leftie Message Board Post generator.
pap Posted 4 May, 2015 Posted 4 May, 2015 What do you define as a god flavoured pyramid scheme? Charismatic churches, particularly those that insist that everyone can be a leader and that they should all recruit n people. Be especially wary of churches that use cellular structures to achieve rapid growth.
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