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The year is the reason your point falls down. No promise was broken on that pledge. If you believed Murdoch and co, the moronic British public were swayed by his rag of a newspaper. "Last one out, turn off the lights" followed by "It was the Sun wot won it".

 

1992 election pledge. Get me an advance on that or concede the point.

 

I haven't even made the point you are wanting me to concede.

 

I know no promises were broken on that pledge. Whilst both Labour and the Tories have encouraged (to an extent) NHS treatment to be outsourced privately that's merely an inevitability due to increased demand. There's no way the NHS is sustainable long term without any private involvement. People bash the Tories for wanting to expand the role of private healthcare when it is going to happen regardless of who is in power.

 

My point about that 'Labour ending the privatisation of the NHS' quote in 1992 is simple. That's how long their scare stories about "privatisation by the back door" have been going. They said it then (before 5 years of Conservative government) and their saying exactly the same thing now.

 

Labour can shout those slogans and wave those banners as hard as they want but after a combined 10 years of Conservative led government since then (1992-1997 & 2010-2015) not only has total privatisation of the NHS not happened (It would be political suicide regardless) but Labour themselves have encouraged private involvement to cope with increased demand. Simply because they have no choice.

 

No one has their fingers in their ears here.

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There's one hell of a difference between the NHS using the spare capacity that the private healthcare sector usually has, probably at an equitable cost, to cope with demand, and farming out clinical services permanently to private providers who then 'give up' when they realise they cannot deliver a service to the public AND a profit for their shareholders.

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But men shouldn't? Dinosaur!

 

If you're looking for a disgusting excuse of a human being, try Iain Duncan Smith for starters.

For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to.

You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him

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For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to.

You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him

 

that is the labour party for you. Happy to endorse segregated party rallies and such like.....equality my arse

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For me to point out that how I despise the way he treats woman as a throwaway product should be enough. You may think that he's just a lad and you are happy for women to be used and tossed aside after use. Whilst most of the women know what they are up against it is not a great reflection if his opinions on anything are worth listening to.

You will find him a darling because he is in bed with Ed but that is IMO blinding you from his disgusting ways. Typical of modern society CList people being celebs for doing sweet FA. Oh and he can take his mate Jonathan Ross with him

 

And yet, you're ostensibly allowing the election to be defined by Russell Brand's involvement here. And C List? The dude has appeared in Hollywood movies and was married to Katy Perry for a bit. That's at least B list, I reckon.

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I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally.

 

disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news

 

 

http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/

 

I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al????

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I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al????

 

Harriet Harpersons old man was one of the speakers, you know him, the bloke that got added to an all women shortlist to win his safe seat.

 

I'm glad these things are now considered " progressive" , perhaps if labour get in my local could adopt this policy. The blokes can sit at and around the bar and the Wags somewhere in the corner.

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I guess as discrimination against women is publicly supported by the Labour Party, I am sure all of the lefties on here would be happy with a suggestion to create a separate election thread for the likes of BTF et al????

 

I like the bit when one of the speakers at the evernt was pressed about the segregation issue...the response was...... 'and?'

 

this is fuking awful to be honest.

 

what else is acceptable?

 

eastern europeans on one side, brits the other?

Blacks one side, whites the other?

muslims one side, everyone else the other?

gays one side, straight the other?

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that is the labour party for you. Happy to endorse segregated party rallies and such like.....equality my arse

 

You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it.

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I like the bit when one of the speakers at the evernt was pressed about the segregation issue...the response was...... 'and?'

 

this is fuking awful to be honest.

 

I'd be interested in the women and lefties on this forums take on this. I'm sure if it was Nigels golf club they'd have an issue. Perhaps when they get back from their May Day marches they'll comment on it.

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You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it.

 

They all do the same, but far more is made out of it if say, UKiP did something less ridiculous as this....as with many wrongs in this election. If labour are guilty of what ever it is, it is far more tolerated/accepted and in some cases, welcomed

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I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally.

 

disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news

 

 

http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/

 

:mcinnes:

 

segregated-seating-at-rally-574616.jpg?w=1000

 

:mcinnes:

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I see that Labour have held a segregated party rally.

 

disgusting really......im sure had this been a UKiP thing it would have been all over the news

 

 

http://order-order.com/2015/05/04/farage-blasts-labour-over-sex-segregated-rally/#_@/V4rJnj78zyfBrg

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-should-be-embarrassed-about-holding-a-sex-segregated-rally/

 

Woohoo, welcome to the 19th century. Doesn't matter which party, but the fact that is happening in this day and age, in this country, is just utterly ridiculous.

 

Wonder if I'll get away with it tomorrow when I'm commuting; "Women in the aisles, let the men have the room"

 

FFS.

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I'd be interested in the women and lefties on this forums take on this. I'm sure if it was Nigels golf club they'd have an issue. Perhaps when they get back from their May Day marches they'll comment on it.

 

Surprised you're back from the pub.

 

I have a problem whoever or wherever it is. It's wrong plain and simple.

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You're trying to tell me the other parties wouldn't have done the same? Course they would, they'll all do whatever they can to get elected. Pandering to the Muslim vote in this way really pis_ses me off but make no mistake, they'd all do it if they thought votes were in it.

 

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Surprised you're back from the pub.

 

I have a problem whoever or wherever it is. It's wrong plain and simple.

 

Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me.

 

Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to.

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Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me.

 

Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to.

you just know she will be asked about this in the next day or so on the news. considering she is high up in the party of equality, pushed hard for woman's rights and that her fella is at this particular event in question...

 

you just know she wont really condemn it..nor will any real labour politician......despite this being very offensive to what this country is all about these days

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Woohoo, welcome to the 19th century. Doesn't matter which party, but the fact that is happening in this day and age, in this country, is just utterly ridiculous.

 

Wonder if I'll get away with it tomorrow when I'm commuting; "Women in the aisles, let the men have the room"

 

FFS.

 

You travel much? 'In this day and age'

Western culture is far more developed towards equality but those who enjoy the fairness just think this is a day and age thing.

 

It is about respecting cultures not endorsing segregation

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Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me.

 

Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to.

 

Sums up the Tory campaign - some photo and you are all getting excited. Speaks volumes that all you lot can focus on is hypocrisy.

Shattering story one after the other. Ed has had girlfriends. Russell Brand has some money. What next?

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Sums up the Tory campaign - some photo and you are all getting excited. Speaks volumes that all you lot can focus on is hypocrisy.

Shattering story one after the other. Ed has had girlfriends. Russell Brand has some money. What next?

 

same could be said about UKiP..

 

some loon admitted she had a 'problem' with Black people on telly...and people got all excited. Speaks volumes that you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. What next?

 

 

 

(I think both examples are awful and neither should even be endorsed, entertained or just ignored really)

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same could be said about UKiP..

 

some loon admitted she had a 'problem' with Black people on telly...and people got all excited. Speaks volumes that you lot can focus on is hypocrisy. What next?

 

 

 

(I think both examples are awful and neither should even be endorsed, entertained or just ignored really)

 

Tbh I don't think UKIP exposés shatter anyone's illusions. Racists caught being racists is hardly news

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Working today, no leftie day bank holiday for me.

 

Are you disappointed that nobody connected with the labour party seems willing to condemn this. Particularly Harriet, perhaps she's so busy in her pink empowering women bus, that she didn't know what her old man was up to.

 

Where as you're so busy in the pub to know what your old lady is up to.

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It's called being "culturally sensitive". I call it utter bullsh_it.

 

and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past.

 

it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws

 

if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple.

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and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past.

 

it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws

 

if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple.

 

Don't tell me 'you're not racist but........'

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and its this sort of crap that drives people to extremes. Everyone goes on about the Tories winning back votes from ukip, but most ukip supporters I know are white working class males who would have voted labour in the past.

 

it also gets me that 'we' have to be tolerant of other cultures, that show total disregard for our values, customs, cultures and most importantly ... laws

 

if segregation is wrong, then it is wrong. Plain and simple.

 

You would apply your disapproval to Jewish people in this country too?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism

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That segregated rally is disgusting, can't endorse that kind of discrimination. Funny that certain people seem to think that "lefties" won't have a problem with it because it's a Labour convention though - not everyone is so blinded by party politics.

 

RE: Russell Brand as well - I doubt he's in the pocket of the Labour party. If you listen to his justification for his support of them it's because Miliband says that he will pay more attention to grassroots activism of which Brand is a big supporter and advocate. I'm sure he'd probably prefer to throw his support behind the Greens (if anyone watched his interview with Natalie Bennett & Caroline Lucas, you'd see he clearly relates to them and he actually told people to vote for Lucas in Brighton) but asking people to vote Labour is a much more realistic way to get rid of the Tories, especially as they would need the support of other MPs in the Commons to pass their bills so they would have to skew a lot of proposals to the left so that the likes of the SNP, Lib Dems, Greens etc will vote for them and pass them.

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Far from sinister though.

You'll be moaning about segregated public lavs next!

I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me.

 

Mileage may vary, of course

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I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me.

 

Mileage may vary, of course

 

What do you define as a god flavoured pyramid scheme?

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I disagree, whelk. When a course advertises itself as "questions about life?" and ends with you speaking in tongues and giving 10% of your income to a God flavoured pyramid scheme, that is sinister enough for me.

 

Mileage may vary, of course

 

Isn't it just a Christian course. And isn't 10% just tithing?

 

Quite like the thought of speaking in tongues though

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You would apply your disapproval to Jewish people in this country too?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism

 

i apply it to all people that do not respect that women have equal rights, including the Labour Party.

 

for me, basic human rights trump religious ones every day of the week, because everyone is human whilst not everyone is religious.

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Interesting that it's the lefties trying to play this down. If this had happened to the Tories or ukip then I'm sure they would be reacting the same way...

 

Not everything is left vs right Hypo. Do try and see that.

 

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What do you define as a god flavoured pyramid scheme?

 

Charismatic churches, particularly those that insist that everyone can be a leader and that they should all recruit n people.

 

Be especially wary of churches that use cellular structures to achieve rapid growth.

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