Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 rules out any deal what so ever with the SNP....depends if you believe it rules out being PM if it meant dealing with the SNP what so ever surely, he will not be PM then???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Where do they find these thick as pigs**t audiences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Where do they find these thick as pigs**t audiences? The guy comparing the national economy to him buying a pint really was depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 The guy comparing the national economy to him buying a pint really was depressing but he is the 'man on the street'.... ed rules out any in/out referendum regarding the EU unless there are more powers transferred to the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 but he is the 'man on the street'.... A better analogy would have been to compare the national economy to any big busisness (like the banks and Tesco that makes millions in losses). Comes back to leverage again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 But you can't give any examples Oh there are quite a few Miliband examples, The "bedroom tax" not being a tax, it actually being a reduction in a subsidy. Labour first piloting the "bedroom tax" in 2001 and then voting it in as part of the 2007 Welfare Reform Act. Then suddenly fiercely opposing it when the coalition f"cked up it's implementation. Labour claiming the rise in food bank use is an accurate picture of increased poverty under this coalition, when they banned job centres from recommending people to job banks (IDS removed this ban in 2010 and food bank shot up after this). I'm sure btf or someone can come up with a few Tory examples but like myself and Batman have said, there isn't one party leader that doesn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 I'm having my own little drinking game. 2 fingers of lager every time one of the leaders says, "let me answer that directly." Cameron coming out of this a lot better than the Ed Miller Band so far. 4 fingers for "let me explain why" and down the pint if they actually answer the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 4 fingers for "let me explain why" Bloody bottle for 'long term economic plan' and a pub load for 'my severely disabled son'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Bloody bottle for 'long term economic plan' and a pub load for 'my severely disabled son'. easy tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Oh there are quite a few Miliband examples, The "bedroom tax" not being a tax, it actually being a reduction in a subsidy. Labour first piloting the "bedroom tax" in 2001 and then voting it in as part of the 2007 Welfare Reform Act. Then suddenly fiercely opposing it when the coalition f"cked up it's implementation. Labour claiming the rise in food bank use is an accurate picture of increased poverty under this coalition, when they banned job centres from recommending people to job banks (IDS removed this ban in 2010 and food bank shot up after this). I'm sure btf or someone can come up with a few Tory examples but like myself and Batman have said, there isn't one party leader that doesn't do it. OK thanks, I was genuinely asking the question rather than trying to prove a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Ed rallying now. That economy section was horrific though. The public doesnt understand economics, and labour isn't trying to explain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Great, so the guy who employs people in his tourism business employs people on zero hours contracts as the start of the summer and then, 12 weeks later, as Leeds has seen the last of the sun, he has to employ them permanently? Great plan, Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 4 fingers for "let me explain why" and down the pint if they actually answer the question Ed asks someone's name. Three fingers. You're not impressing me with your 'personal touch' TBH Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Just lost the election when he slipped off the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 well, safe to say that was pretty awkward viewing from Ed for most of that. Poor show by Milliband with 1 week to go Clegg on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Great, so the guy who employs people in his tourism business employs people on zero hours contracts as the start of the summer and then, 12 weeks later, as Leeds has seen the last of the sun, he has to employ them permanently? Great plan, Ed. I'm sorry if the tourism guy has to change his business model but it's worth it to protect the people who are being exploited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Great, so the guy who employs people in his tourism business employs people on zero hours contracts as the start of the summer and then, 12 weeks later, as Leeds has seen the last of the sun, he has to employ them permanently? Great plan, Ed. Obviously not. Keep frothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 I'm sorry if the tourism guy has to change his business model but it's worth it to protect the people who are being exploited why does zero hour contracts automatically mean someone is being exploited. Quite a few people at work are on Zero hours at their own request and if they became illegal, their services will just disappear with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Ed was alright once they got off the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Obviously not. Keep frothing. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 why does zero hour contracts automatically mean someone is being exploited. Quite a few people at work are on Zero hours at their own request and if they became illegal, their services will just disappear with them It doesn't. Clearly it works for some people. But other companies, like Sports Direct, are using it to exploit their workers and give them no security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 I'm sorry if the tourism guy has to change his business model but it's worth it to protect the people who are being exploited Everyone on a zero hour contract is being exploited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Everyone on a zero hour contract is being exploited? No that's not what I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 why does zero hour contracts automatically mean someone is being exploited. Quite a few people at work are on Zero hours at their own request and if they became illegal, their services will just disappear with them There is nothing wrong with 0 hours contracts provided that they are not abused. In fact the majority of people on them prefer them. My issue with them is the companies that say you can't work for anyone else - ban that and you will have fixed a big part of the problem. Giving more rights to people after 12 weeks will mean that no one on zero hours contracts will hold down a job for more than eleven weeks. It will be exactly the same outcome as the agency workers regs. The very people who the legislation was supposed to help will suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 It doesn't. Clearly it works for some people. But other companies, like Sports Direct, are using it to exploit their workers and give them no security but some of those will want it, how do you keep those happy without turning them into 'agency workers' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 rules out any deal what so ever with the SNP....depends if you believe it rules out being PM if it meant dealing with the SNP what so ever surely, he will not be PM then???? He was playing with words. A minority labour government will need the SNP to pass its budget, its queens speech and any other legislation. You also have to control the timetable and without the SNP they won't be able to. Theres also the make up of select committees .If anyone thinks the SNP will just wave all this through without asking for anything is deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 There is a definite need for zero hour contracts in some areas of work but they are being abused. I was on one such contract for 6 years, working full time. It was just an easy way for my employer to say, well we don't have much work for you this month so we wont pay you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 but some of those will want it, how do you keep those happy? The employee doesn't have to accept the permanent contract, it's up to them. Did you even listen when Ed explained it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 There is nothing wrong with 0 hours contracts provided that they are not abused. In fact the majority of people on them prefer them. My issue with them is the companies that say you can't work for anyone else - ban that and you will have fixed a big part of the problem. Giving more rights to people after 12 weeks will mean that no one on zero hours contracts will hold down a job for more than eleven weeks. It will be exactly the same outcome as the agency workers regs. The very people who the legislation was supposed to help will suffer. It's almost like Ed has never heard of the law of unintended consequences. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 The employee doesn't have to accept the permanent contract, it's up to them. Did you even listen when Ed explained it? so, the employer will just say no at 11 weeks and 6 days...and get someone else in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Where do they find these thick as pigs**t audiences? Agree, left wing happy clappers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 This is the worst episode of Live at the Apollo ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Once upon a time, workers undertook what used to be called seasonal work in the knowledge that when the season was over their work would finish. But they knew exactly how much they would earn and for how long. Similarly students did holiday work (often in retail) to cover for permanent staff who were on leave. My own granddaughter worked for Boots from the age of 18 during her school and university holidays. Both Boots and my granddaughter knew exactly where they stood with this arrangement. This is a whole different ball game from employers putting people on zero hours contracts whereby the workers have no idea how many hours they'll work or how much they'll take home if anything. And whereby the employer can decide to give out no work at all but forbid the worker for working for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Clegg coming across quite well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Clegg coming across quite well IMO. agree. He usually does in these things. pretty much put that scruffy bloke back in his place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Clegg coming across quite well IMO. He always does, he's a great orator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Feels like a bit of a backlash tonight after Farage had a moan. Usually you only get a clap on question time for more spending and the anti Americanism type stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Feels like a bit of a backlash tonight after Farage had a moan. Usually you only get a clap on question time for more spending and the anti Americanism type stuff. Certainly it was the first time I've ever heard the BBC giving out the % and make up of audience before the program . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Once upon a time, workers undertook what used to be called seasonal work in the knowledge that when the season was over their work would finish. But they knew exactly how much they would earn and for how long. Similarly students did holiday work (often in retail) to cover for permanent staff who were on leave. My own granddaughter worked for Boots from the age of 18 during her school and university holidays. Both Boots and my granddaughter knew exactly where they stood with this arrangement. This is a whole different ball game from employers putting people on zero hours contracts whereby the workers have no idea how many hours they'll work or how much they'll take home if anything. And whereby the employer can decide to give out no work at all but forbid the worker for working for anyone else. As you describe it, it is not a good thing, however 0 hours contracts are used by the recruitment industry and to be frank, it is in the recruiters interests to get the workers to do as many hours as possible because they earn on the hourly rate. Now I beleive that there needs to be some finessing of the law around these contracts, however what I fear is that the government will pass a one size fits all law which will hurt more people than it will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 sum it up Cameron was a lot better in that than the other two clegg was good milliband had a mare really if these things count, can only boost the Tory's if anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Sol Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 sum it up Cameron was a lot better in that than the other two clegg was good milliband had a mare really if these things count, can only boost the Tory's if anything I'd agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Sol Campbell http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/weep-for-sol-campbells-mansion-5612855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/weep-for-sol-campbells-mansion-5612855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/weep-for-sol-campbells-mansion-5612855 [emoji38] Communism party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Moved slightly left and become slightly more Liberal.... Some of you may suggest I am moving in the right direction. At the current rate of "progress", I will become a Leftie within the next 6 years LOL Economic Left/Right: 0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21 When I get a spare 20 mins, I will plot everything on the same graph. Where you sit on the graph and how accurate it is, depends on where the centre of the graph is placed. However, it is useful in seeing how you compare to other posters in terms of Leftie Vs Right and Authoritarian Vs Liberal Likewise, marginally more to the left, but very slightly less liberal (which surprised me - so I wonder how finely tuned some of those answers are?); Economic Left/Right: 0.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Snap ICM poll: Cameron 44% Milliband 38% Clegg 19% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 Snap ICM poll: Cameron 44% Milliband 38% Clegg 19% yougov David Cameron: 40% Ed Miliband: 26% Nick Clegg: 6% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 so, the employer will just say no at 11 weeks and 6 days...and get someone else in? That does need to be thought about, though some will presumably not want to go through the effort of training up new staff. The main thing I take issue with its you and the tories denying there is a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Share Posted 30 April, 2015 That does need to be thought about, but some will presumably not want to go through the effort of training up new staff. The main thing I take issue with its you and the tories denying there is a problem where have I said that? just saying that many on zero-hour contracts do so at their choosing and/or are happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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