buctootim Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Show me where I have said that the recession was nothing to do with the global crisis and that it was all Labour's fault and Brown's in particular. Also show me where I have attempted to give all the credit to the Tories to the exclusion of a recovery internationally. You might consider my posts not to be measured or balanced, that is up to you; but please don't try and tar me with something that I didn't say to try and prove a point. And thats the other thing you do - deny you ever said anything of the sort. When someone posts up the proof you claim the post meant something else entirely.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Wahhh wahhh wahhh, the defenders of the nation from the PC brigade are crying that someone said something about them again http://www.itv.com/news/2015-04-29/ukip-asks-police-to-investigate-the-bbc-over-have-i-got-news-for-you/
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Everything bad = leftie w**kers whose sole motivated is jealously and envy. Everything good = Righteous righties whose sole motivation is to help the poor and the needy. You make Pap look balanced. Although I agree with your rhetoric, there is also the inverse opinion that are subjected to the righties (or selfish ****s as I think they have been coined).
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Wahhh wahhh wahhh, the defenders of the nation from the PC brigade are crying that someone said something about them again http://www.itv.com/news/2015-04-29/ukip-asks-police-to-investigate-the-bbc-over-have-i-got-news-for-you/ Pathetic.
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) Remember the political compass? A few posters are still around .... Edited 30 April, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Remember the political compass? A few posters are still around .... at Dune and St George. Very accurate!
aintforever Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 What if there is no-one who you feel represents you? I don't think that really matters, there has to be at least one particular issue you have an stronger opinion about or effects you. there is no party that represents me but I will always make sure I vote. I agree with with some policies of probably all the parties. I agree with UKIP on immigration, the Greens on Trident, closer to Labour on taxation and agree with the Tories stance on benefit scroungers. But I tend to vote Libral Democrat because they are the only major party that take the environment seriously and where I live it's a straight fight between them and the Tories. Russel Brand has a point about big business holding all the power but still think it's worth voting, even if it only makes a little difference.
Coxford_lou Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If you can't find someone who represents your values based on the wide range of options this election, then you really need to consider standing yourself at the next election. Maybe you've found a new niche. No one will ever agree with every policy from any party.
buctootim Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If you can't find someone who represents your values based on the wide range of options this election, then you really need to consider standing yourself at the next election. Maybe you've found a new niche. No one will ever agree with every policy from any party. Just as no MP agrees with every policy of their party. Its all about finding best fit - and the party you vote for might change in general, council and Euro elections, or according to the candidate. Opting out simply hands the opportunity to someone else to choose for you.
Coxford_lou Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Just as not every MP agrees with every policy of their party. Its all about finding best fit - and the party you vote for might change in general, council and Euro elections, or according to the candidate. Opting out simply hands the opportunity to someone else to choose for you. Exactly. Best fit, and then getting involved in the debate to be able to influence.
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If you can't find someone who represents your values based on the wide range of options this election, then you really need to consider standing yourself at the next election. Maybe you've found a new niche. No one will ever agree with every policy from any party. Or vote for the canditate rather than the party. Find a good one and let them represent you.
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Remember the political compass? A few posters are still around .... I was thinking about that earlier and I can't for the life of me see how I come out almost exactly in the middle. Perhaps we should all do this test again?
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I see that the Scottish version of 'The Sun' newspaper has formally backed the (very left of centre) SNP in the coming General Election. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32523804 There was a time not so very long ago when gaining the editorial support of this paper was seen as an important political objective by leaders such as Tony Blair because 'The Sun' was seen to influence opinion significantly. I think that situation has actually reversed now - IE newspapers seem more to cynically follow the opinion of their readership rather than lead it.
buctootim Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 newspapers seem more to cynically follow the opinion of their readership rather than lead it. This. Quote about the Sun from that BBC story - " Its London-based version urged readers to back the Conservatives and "stop the SNP running the country". By contrast, the Scottish Sun said the Tories did not understand Scotland and praised SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, as "a phenomenon who inspires people".
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) I see that the Scottish version of 'The Sun' newspaper has formally backed the (very left of centre) SNP in the coming General Election. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32523804 There was a time not so very long ago when gaining the editorial support of this paper was seen as an important political objective by leaders such as Tony Blair because 'The Sun' was seen to influence opinion significantly. I think that situation has actually reversed now - IE newspapers seem more to cynically follow the opinion of their readership rather than lead it. I think I'm right in saying that if Labour wins the election it will be the first time the Sun hasn't backed the winner (or something like that anyway). That said, their campaign against Labour doesn't seem particularly to be following public opinion when Labour is supported by in excess of 30% of the electorate Edited 30 April, 2015 by Ex Lion Tamer
CB Fry Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 And thats the other thing you do - deny you ever said anything of the sort. When someone posts up the proof you claim the post meant something else entirely. I'd like to say that Wes's catch phrase is "show me where I said that" but he'd only make out he's never ever said that and demand proof that he had.
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I was thinking about that earlier and I can't for the life of me see how I come out almost exactly in the middle. Perhaps we should all do this test again? I did it back in 2009, so 6 years ago. I see that I was pretty central back then, occupying the centre ground with you and Hatch Happy to compile the list again and see if there is any movement. Here is the view on the current UK political parties.... You can take the test here.... https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/ Post your results and I will plot them
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I did it back in 2009, so 6 years ago. I see that I was pretty central back then, occupying the centre ground with you and Hatch Happy to compile the list again and see if there is any movement. Here is the view on the current UK political parties.... You can take the test here.... https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/ Post your results and I will plot them I'm pretty much the same place as last time: https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-2.5&soc=-2.31
View From The Top Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) Virtually no change for me. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-4.38&soc=-5.33 Edited 30 April, 2015 by View From The Top
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) Christ, weird looking at that. I have changed a lot the last few years, which is weird as I don't think my values have changed that much. More the approach to them. Not sure I really want to show where I came out EDIT: borls to it, hardly going to squash rumours I'm a raving nutter, but here you go https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-6.38&soc=-7.9 Edited 30 April, 2015 by KelvinsRightGlove
Wes Tender Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I did it back in 2009, so 6 years ago. I see that I was pretty central back then, occupying the centre ground with you and Hatch Happy to compile the list again and see if there is any movement. Here is the view on the current UK political parties.... You can take the test here.... https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/ Post your results and I will plot them Nobody's going to believe my result! I don't even believe it myself.
Torres Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=0.0&soc=-5.64
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Economic Left/Right: -1.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Nobody's going to believe my result! I don't even believe it myself. And me...little bit lefter and lower.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 And me... Yeah, I don't entirely trust mine to be honest.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Good to know I'm consistent in my beliefs even six years later unlike some
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Yeah, I don't entirely trust mine to be honest. Where are you, Thatcherite?
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Christ, weird looking at that. I have changed a lot the last few years, which is weird as I don't think my values have changed that much. More the approach to them. Not sure I really want to show where I came out EDIT: borls to it, hardly going to squash rumours I'm a raving nutter, but here you go https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-6.38&soc=-7.9 Almost exactly as I suspected TBH.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Where are you? He's in a space even more radical than the greens...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Almost exactly as I suspected TBH. Ha, ****ing hell KRG, you should be living in a commune somewhere.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Ha, ****ing hell KRG, you should be living in a commune somewhere. Haha yeah, as I said I don't think that's entirely a true reflection. Things aren't as binary as Agree/Disagree. I'm probably in that area, just not that far down. Meh.
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 My recollection of this in the past is that no one comes out right wing https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-5.38&soc=-4.51
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I did it back in 2009, so 6 years ago. I see that I was pretty central back then, occupying the centre ground with you and Hatch Happy to compile the list again and see if there is any movement. Here is the view on the current UK political parties.... You can take the test here.... https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/ Post your results and I will plot them Have you got the results? From memory it was me you shared the centre with, I was almost dead on top of your blob.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Have you got the results? From memory it was me you shared the centre with, I was almost dead on top of your blob. It's earlier in the thread and yes you were.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Have you got the results? From memory it was me you shared the centre with, I was almost dead on top of your blob. See what you get now Pat. See if you've softened over the years...
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) http://www.buzzfeed.com/robertcolvile/this-is-the-one-great-big-stonking-difference-between-the-tw My Political Compass (from the link above) Economic Left/Right: 1.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44 Just in the blue box Edited 30 April, 2015 by Batman
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Have you got the results? From memory it was me you shared the centre with, I was almost dead on top of your blob. Here you go mate..
buctootim Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Economic Left/Right: -5.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21 Surprises me a bit
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) Moved slightly left and become slightly more Liberal.... Some of you may suggest I am moving in the right direction. At the current rate of "progress", I will become a Leftie within the next 6 years LOL Economic Left/Right: 0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21 When I get a spare 20 mins, I will plot everything on the same graph. Where you sit on the graph and how accurate it is, depends on where the centre of the graph is placed. However, it is useful in seeing how you compare to other posters in terms of Leftie Vs Right and Authoritarian Vs Liberal Edited 30 April, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
buctootim Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Moved slightly left and become slightly more Liberal.... Economic Left/Right: 0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21 Some of you may suggest I am moving in the right direction LOL When I get a spare 20 mins, I will plot everything on the same graph You're the Shirley Williams of Saintweb!
CB Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I am slighty right of the Welsh, which if you apply that geographically would be correct
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) 1st draft... **** me, this is more interesting than the election Edited 30 April, 2015 by Johnny Bognor
saintbletch Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 There you go Johnny Bognor... Your Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -5.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 There you go Johnny Bognor... Your Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -5.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79 Making me look less lonely. Good on ya dude.
saintbletch Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Making me look less lonely. Good on ya dude. You're in good company KRG. If you want, we can get together and throw stones at papster - he's the one standing just below and to the left of Julian Assange and Phil Ochs.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 You're in good company KRG. If you want, we can get together and throw stones at papster - he's the one standing just below and to the left of Julian Assange and Phil Ochs. Sounds like as good a plan I've heard all day.
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 There you go Johnny Bognor... Your Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -5.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79 You're in....
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 1st draft... **** me, this is more interesting than the election Anything is more interesting than the election. I find myself -2.0, -3.95 but there were a couple of questions where I wasn't quite sure how to answer, too many double negatives. 'A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system' for example. I may agree that there is an advantage from the party's point of view but if I strongly disagree that anybody should have a one-party state...?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I don't think I strongly agreed on anything, apart from the one where it said that all poor people should be rounded up and shot.
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