trousers Posted 20 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2014 Nick Robinson @bbcnickrobinson Emily Thornberry has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 November, 2014 Share Posted 20 November, 2014 Sorry guys. If you think that the phase in of 40GW of renewable energy generation by 2020 is practical I'll leave you to it! Also to add that because of intermittency, 40GW installed is about 10GW average (if you use a 25% capacity load figure which is about right for onshore wind). Nice ideas, thoroughly impractical. Never mind the network infrastructure work required to actually enable such an ambitious policy.... In short it won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 November, 2014 Share Posted 20 November, 2014 Nick Robinson @bbcnickrobinson Emily Thornberry has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet. Almost sad to see how out of touch the Labour Paarty is with large swathes of the working people of this country. But a bit harsh her having to resign for that, just her opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Almost sad to see how out of touch the Labour Paarty is with large swathes of the working people of this country. But a bit harsh her having to resign for that, just her opinion. Got to laugh at Alan Johnson on This Week." Emily came from a poor background herself" . According to some on Twitter her Dad was a prof, from kings collage who went on to become assistant Secretary General of the UN , my the poverty she must have known. Poor girl . What makes it funny is that "she's done nothing wrong" according to senior labour figures, why resign then? Like Browns bigot moment it's more proof that this elite labour leadership despise the working people they claim to stand up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 prof, from kings collage Must be an Art school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 (edited) Nice to see ukip's Suzanne Evans on election special. Shame the establishment parties went for white middle aged men all night. Looks like Daves vow to kick Reckless' fat arse off the benches was wrong . lol at lib/dumbs , 349 lol Edited 21 November, 2014 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 If she did not mean to cause offence. What was the point of that tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 We are in for an interesting campaign if the politicos keep dropping b*ll*cks like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 I would seriously be considering banning my MPs from twitter for the next 6 months or so - they are almost as bad as footballers for daft posts. At least the footballers are expected to have pea sized intellects, what worries me is that this may be the case for the people running (or intending to run) the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 People need to lighten up. This is why we have such bland dishonest politicians who dont say what they really think and believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 The labour fightback begins, Ed has just said he "feels respect" every time he sees a white van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2014 The labour fightback begins, Ed has just said he "feels respect" every time he sees a white van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 The labour fightback begins, Ed has just said he "feels respect" every time he sees a white van. They don't need to fight back, they just need to allow UKIP to bleed tory votes. It's Labour's to lose, even with the fuuckwit in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 I jest, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 They don't need to fight back, they just need to allow UKIP to bleed tory votes. It's Labour's to lose, even with the fuuckwit in charge. Oh I think that UKIP will take votes off Labour as well as the Torys because working class voters are as much (if not more) effected by the immigration and EU issues as any group in society is. I also suspect that Labour's dire troubles in their traditional Scottish heartland, and a possible collapse in the Lib Dem vote everywhere, may well play into the Conservatives hands. As ever - only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Oh I think that UKIP will take votes off Labour as well as the Torys because working class voters are as much (if not more) effected by the immigration and EU issues as any group in society is. I also suspect that Labour's dire troubles in their traditional Scottish heartland, and a possible collapse in the Lib Dem vote everywhere, may well play into the Conservatives hands. As ever - only time will tell. Living in "The North" UKIP doesn't seem to have the same widespread support as it does in the shires but no doubt they will take some Labour votes but Labour can afford to lose some votes in the north, more than the tories can in the south. Wouldn't be shocked to see the SNP & UKIP holding the balance of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Living in "The North" UKIP doesn't seem to have the same widespread support as it does in the shires but no doubt they will take some Labour votes but Labour can afford to lose some votes in the north, more than the tories can in the south. Wouldn't be shocked to see the SNP & UKIP holding the balance of power. Where Labour had to fight in the North, it was usually against the Lib Dems. UKIP will be their main fight now, I reckon - and I can perhaps see them nicking some of the more affluent constituencies, but the sheer weight of Labour is huge in these parts. Some of the safest Labour seats in the country are right here. I don't think UKIP will make an electoral impact, but the swings in hardcore Labour constituencies like Bootle and Knowsley might be a good litmus test of how much of the working class vote UKIP can attract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 UKIP could very well see themselves getting SDP'ed, where they achieve a huge raft of votes for bugger all seats, say five or six. Might kick up a bit of collective outrage akin to the "the 45%" stuff in Scotland. Just think, Farage's ultimate legacy could end up being, finally, a proportional voting system, just about the most Lib Demmy thing you could imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Oh I think that UKIP will take votes off Labour as well as the Torys because working class voters are as much (if not more) effected by the immigration and EU issues as any group in society is. I also suspect that Labour's dire troubles in their traditional Scottish heartland, and a possible collapse in the Lib Dem vote everywhere, may well play into the Conservatives hands. As ever - only time will tell. The polling expert on By election special last night said that UKIP will present a greater danger to the Tory party in May, but long term from 2020 onwards could cause Labour real problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 November, 2014 Share Posted 21 November, 2014 Should be an interesting election. UKIP are going to rip the arse out of the Tory vote. Labour have the worst leader I have ever known and will probably get destroyed by the SNP in Scotland. Lib Dems are floundering. Think we will get some funny results, I guess it will end up with a coalition of some sort, can see it being Con/UKIP v LAb/Libdem/SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Should be an interesting election. UKIP are going to rip the arse out of the Tory vote. Labour have the worst leader I have ever known and will probably get destroyed by the SNP in Scotland. Lib Dems are floundering. Think we will get some funny results, I guess it will end up with a coalition of some sort, can see it being Con/UKIP v LAb/Libdem/SNP. I wouldn't argue with that synopsis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 It's going to be a very interesting election, but one of apathy. The vote will not be about who they want in power, it'll be more about who the voter doesn't want in power, which is a sad state for politics in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Interesting piece from Owen Jones, which (drum roll) suggests that UKIP are snaffling the working class leftist populist vote. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2014/nov/21/rochester-byelection-beliefs-of-ukip-voters?CMP=share_btn_tw Fancy that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Interesting piece from Owen Jones, which (drum roll) suggests that UKIP are snaffling the working class leftist populist vote. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2014/nov/21/rochester-byelection-beliefs-of-ukip-voters?CMP=share_btn_tw Fancy that! They'll be disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopper Posted 22 November, 2014 Share Posted 22 November, 2014 Time we had a Football Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Excellent points, all well made. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/24/cameronmustgo-twitter-users-decry-david-camerons-record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 well, if you look back to the predictions from those who never voted for the Tories (and some LibDems), we would be in a real world of shyt by now. is the UK really in a bad way considering the sheer state the country was in circa 2010??? Today it was announced that we are on course to be in the black, albeit longer than hoped for. but was it really going to be any other way? sure, nothing it is perfect but on the right track????? if you care that is as little is different between the two parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Personally I think the coalition has done alright. Lib dems have curbed some of the more militant right wing tendencies whilst keeping the good bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Economists seems to think that the main effect of the stamp duty change will be that 'cheap' houses will become more expensive and 'expensive' houses will become cheaper. So that'll help first time buyers then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 December, 2014 Author Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Economists seems to think that the main effect of the stamp duty change will be that 'cheap' houses will become more expensive and 'expensive' houses will become cheaper. So that'll help first time buyers then That's what I like about Saintsweb. There's always someone on hand to highlight a potential negative to offset any positivity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Economists seems to think that the main effect of the stamp duty change will be that 'cheap' houses will become more expensive and 'expensive' houses will become cheaper. So that'll help first time buyers then I think it will have limited impact on the lower end, especially when you consider the effect of demand for low cost housing and the lack of supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 I think it will have limited impact on the lower end, especially when you consider the effect of demand for low cost housing and the lack of supply. Sorry - should have put the rolling eyes thing. I was being sarcastic - it won't help first time buyers at all, as you have indicated too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30291460 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 December, 2014 Share Posted 3 December, 2014 Sorry - should have put the rolling eyes thing. I was being sarcastic - it won't help first time buyers at all, as you have indicated too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30291460 you dont want people gobbling up houses though, do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 There is that interesting pilot scheme where the government are going to build houses for sale. Assuming they don't screw it up and blow the budget (entirely likely)', this might have legs. Typically the media were straight on the attack saying are you going to make a profit on these houses in tune with house builders. personally I think they shpuld and then they can roll that profit back into the next scheme or to subsidised social housing/key worker housing - perhaps make it a mixed development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Sorry - should have put the rolling eyes thing. I was being sarcastic - it won't help first time buyers at all, as you have indicated too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30291460 Looking at it from a politically-neutral perspective ( ), I would say that it probably won't make property any more affordable for first-timers, but it will probably increase the available supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 It'll just make everything more expensive, especially at the lower end, but will allow more people to buy as generally the issue is having the upfront cash to pay the Stamp duty, not getting an extra £20k on a mortgage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Maybe they should dump stamp duty altogether and make gains on primary residences subject to capital gains tax instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Maybe they should dump stamp duty altogether and make gains on primary residences subject to capital gains tax instead. God no, thats an awful idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Don't worry though everyone, Mark Pritchard has decided it's a good time to go out and rape someone. ****ing bravo Mark you utter *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Don't worry though everyone, Mark Pritchard has decided it's a good time to go out and rape someone. ****ing bravo Mark you utter *****. Innocent until proven guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Innocent until proven guilty? Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 God no, thats an awful idea. Why is it a bad idea, apart from the fact that you have probably made some money on your house. It is not earned income, no one grafted for it, and it is not like you would miss the cash as you never had it in the first place. Certainly a lot more affordable than a buyer trying find £3 or £4 grand when then are trying to buy a house. It would also slow down the house price rises in the middle to upper end as people will have less to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Agreed. Then what's with the swearing and insults? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Why is it a bad idea, apart from the fact that you have probably made some money on your house. It is not earned income, no one grafted for it, and it is not like you would miss the cash as you never had it in the first place. Certainly a lot more affordable than a buyer trying find £3 or £4 grand when then are trying to buy a house. It would also slow down the house price rises in the middle to upper end as people will have less to spend. That's the thing, I have worked for it. I have spent the last year and a half working every weekend to improve and convert my house, as well as spending £90k in the process doing it. What you are proposing would end up costing me nearly £100k. How is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 That's the thing, I have worked for it. I have spent the last year and a half working every weekend to improve and convert my house, as well as spending £90k in the process doing it. What you are proposing would end up costing me nearly £100k. How is that fair? Thats easy - you simply deduct the earned income from the CGT. You get an allowance for improvements. Ive made about £400,000 over the past 17 years simply by owning somewhere to live. It will cost me all that to help my kids onto the ridiculous property spiral caused by lack of building. Dont kid yourself you've earned the vast majority of the increase in the property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Thats easy - you simply deduct the earned income from the CGT. You get an allowance for improvements. Ive made about £400,000 over the past 17 years simply by owning somewhere to live. It will cost me all that to help my kids onto the ridiculous property spiral caused by lack of building. Dont kid yourself you've earned the vast majority of the increase in the property. But why not, it's my hard work and money and changing the house format that has brought about the increase in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 But why not, it's my hard work and money and changing the house format that has brought about the increase in value. Just your nouse then? Nothing to do with across the board house price inflation in an under supplied market, especially in the London TWA then? Righto. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10428918/House-prices-to-soar-in-Londons-commuter-belt.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 (edited) Just your nouse then? Nothing to do with across the board house price inflation in an under supplied market, especially in the London TWA then? Righto. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10428918/House-prices-to-soar-in-Londons-commuter-belt.html There has not been an increase of anything like that where I live, but recognise there has been in the Esher, Cobham, Weybridge areas, hence why we left Weybridge. In the 18 months we've owned our house the comparable properties to ours from when we bought it have not changed in the slightest. Edited 4 December, 2014 by Unbelievable Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 There has not been an increase of anything like that where I live, but recognise there has been in the Esher, Cobham, Weybridge areas. In the 18 months we've owned our house the comparable properties to ours from when we bought it have not changed in the slightest. Obviously I dont know your particular circumstances, but if house prices in the area you chose to buy in haven't changed for 18 months whilst the rest of the outer metropolitan are has risen by around 17.6%, doesn't that indicate something a bit worrying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 4 December, 2014 Share Posted 4 December, 2014 Obviously I dont know your particular circumstances, but if house prices in the area you chose to buy in haven't changed for 18 months whilst the rest of the outer metropolitan are has risen by around 17.6%, doesn't that indicate something a bit worrying? Well yeah, which is why we've invested in changing the house to make money out of it. Our house was effectively a 2 up, 2 down with an extension on the side of the same size. However, due to the direction of the stairs the first floor extension was not attached to the rest of the house, and there was a separate staircase in the lounge (ground floor of extension) to that room. We have moved the stairs (one set removed, one set moved), converted into 4 bedrooms and put a single story extension on the back for a large kitchen diner. We've ripped everything out of the house including the windows, decked out back, paved the front and are building a 120 foot 6 foot high brick wall around the perimeter, as well as putting in a double drive and double carriage house. We've increases the square footage of the property by 1/3rd. We live in Chertsey, and as such do not live on the Surbiton mainline which Esher, Weybridge and Walton are on. I can't guarantee that house prices have not gone up, but from looking at similar properties I can't see that they've gone up, and i do keep a pretty good eye on things. At the same time it's very difficult to judge as outer house was quite unique in what it offered when we bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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