pap Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Pap - often you have good points to make (when not talking about conspiracy theories) but these pictures just make you come across as a bit of a plonker Well, there's always that danger. And I'll always face it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 So a party pledges to renationalise the railways, not only doesn't but actively sells more public assets, and then you're saying they wouldn't have anyway because their values have changed? It only took me 5 minutes of reading to find out that Labour made the railways pledge at a time when it thought the tories were only going to privatise half of railtrack. When it turned out that they privatised the whole of it, Gordon Brown successfully argued within the party that the 2bn cost of buying it back was too high. The party has genuinely changed, no one wants to go back to the Michael Foot days, and although thatcher's reforms went too fast without a proper safety net, she did win a lot of the arguments and Labour will never go back to 1970s style socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Strange that I don't know one, what with being one and being married to one. Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?" Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 It only took me 5 minutes of reading to find out that Labour made the railways pledge at a time when it thought the tories were only going to privatise half of railtrack. When it turned out that they privatised the whole of it, Gordon Brown successfully argued within the party that the 2bn cost of buying it back was too high. The party has genuinely changed, no one wants to go back to the Michael Foot days, and although thatcher's reforms went too fast without a proper safety net, she did win a lot of the arguments and Labour will never go back to 1970s style socialism Must be the first time Labour turned down doing something due to excessive cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?" Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?" You really do chat sh*t. When unions like the ATL, who have NEVER been on strike ballot their members then you know something is wrong. When your ardent tory workmates call for his resignation then you know that something is wrong. As I've mentioned before I've met him professionally a couple of times as well as members of his team and whilst I've never doubted his sincerity I've never walked away thinking anything but "WTF his he on?" He lived in a world so removed from reality that it was scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 (edited) You really do chat sh*t. When unions like the ATL, who have NEVER been on strike ballot their members then you know something is wrong. When your ardent tory workmates call for his resignation then you know that something is wrong. As I've mentioned before I've met him professionally a couple of times as well as members of his team and whilst I've never doubted his sincerity I've never walked away thinking anything but "WTF his he on?" He lived in a world so removed from reality that it was scary. Nice guy, awful policies. Of course, these policies aren't just his ideas...But he is the face for them. Edited 31 March, 2015 by Unbelievable Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Nice guy, awful policies. Of course, these policies aren't his ideas...But he is the face for them. I disagree. I think they were his policies and those of his cabal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I disagree. I think they were his policies and those of his cabal. I thought I put 'just' in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Gove appears to be a f**king idiot and I personally am glad my kids did the majority of their education during a Labour government. Moreover, his free school policy seems precisely the sort of thing to encourage secretive religious whackjob schools to set up their own institutions outside of day to day scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Show leadership, be a trusted, important voice in negotiations Well your world statesman Hollande would be as well to do the same, never has a president made such a fark up of a nation. In fact all those thinking of voting socialist should have a look and see what a mess he's made. Scruffy womanising idiot is all he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Well your world statesman Hollande would be as well to do the same, never has a president made such a fark up of a nation. In fact all those thinking of voting socialist should have a look and see what a mess he's made. Scruffy womanising idiot is all he is. Voting Socialist? We don't have a mainstream Socialist party in the UK. It died with Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Voting Socialist? We don't have a mainstream Socialist party in the UK. It died with Blair. It died with that Neil Kinnock speech unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Railways back into public ownership http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/train-tickets-would-10-cheaper-5430886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Gove's wife's articles in the Mail are equally as odious as him. Fortunately there's always Private Eye to make them both look silly: http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=hp_sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Railways back into public ownership http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/train-tickets-would-10-cheaper-5430886 Is that it? You'd expect at least that in economies of scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I am certainly torn in this election. I would naturally vote labour as I feel that the poor and disabled don't deserve another kicking from a man who once claimed Disability Living Allowance for his son (despite being a millionaire and, when in opposition, constantly complaining that the paperwork was too hard.....so has given the DWP a blanket 20% (doesn't care who) to wipe off the bill...in the name of "austerity"). I agree though, Labour chose the wrong brother and Ed Balls is a train wreck. You all know the SNP will never side with a party previously known as the "unionists" so it appears that, since the Lib Dem's vote will be probably less than you can fit on a fag packet and despite the loud noises from UKIP, they won't have the numbers so it seems if the Tories want to get in they'll need a number enough to have a mandate on their own this time. Problem as I see it is that the working and unworking poor who voted for them in the last election wont. Also please stop banging on about Labour and the crash, you sound like a broken record as a little thing called a global recession thanks to millionaire bankers may just of had a slight influence. But hey-ho, the bankers are all Tories are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2015 You really do chat sh*t. Have some respect. It's taken me years of meticulous practice to get this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hockey_saint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Ah the Torygraph. This recovery doesn't appear to be trickling down to the hundreds of thousands of people on the breadline or using the hundreds of food banks set up does it? But then, hey, they probably don't read the Telegraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I never thought I'd see the day that rich businessmen would come out against Labour in the Daily Telegraph. Strange times indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9466172/the-teachers-who-quietly-miss-michael-gove/ Being married to a teacher, and knowing many more both socially and professionally, none of those I am aquainted with would agree with that article. I suspect she is very much in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Being married to a teacher, and knowing many more both socially and professionally, none of those I am aquainted with would agree with that article. I suspect she is very much in the minority. From my PGCE training, I recall the overall opinion was that the man was a odd little fellow with a warped sense of history and what appeared to be an ultimate goal of eliminating state education and modern didactic methods for rather more etonian values completely abhorrent to today's society. Although, most of the teachers I knew just called him a dickh3ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 (edited) Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?" Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?" 3/10 poor effort [emoji20] Edited 1 April, 2015 by Ex Lion Tamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 (edited) I never thought I'd see the day that rich businessmen would come out against Labour in the Daily Telegraph. Strange times indeed. Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 secrets to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg. although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise itself as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory. Edited 1 April, 2015 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I never thought I'd see the day that rich businessmen would come out against Labour in the Daily Telegraph. Strange times indeed. Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 steps to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg. although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 steps to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg. although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory. Or the left wing BBC reporting the same thing... http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32141412 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Or the left wing BBC reporting the same thing... http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32141412 Kinda like they report stuff objectively, aint it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Kinda like they report stuff objectively, aint it? They do tend to, the point is its not just a right wing story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 They do tend to, the point is its not just a right wing story. Obviously it is. As Whelk said, it's as predictable as a "blue Monday" story in January. The only debatable bit is whether it qualifies as actual news. It being right wing isn't in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Obviously it is. As Whelk said, it's as predictable as a "blue Monday" story in January. The only debatable bit is whether it qualifies as actual news. It being right wing isn't in question. Guardian also reporting it... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/01/election-2015-100-business-leaders-letter-back-conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Guardian also reporting it... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/01/election-2015-100-business-leaders-letter-back-conservatives So what? Is this your first day in the UK or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 So what? Is this your first day in the UK or something? If it wasn't news there is no way these outlets would report it, they'd leave it for the right wing press wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 If it wasn't news there is no way these outlets would report it, they'd leave it for the right wing press wouldn't they? LOL. I think you may have missed Whelks and my comments about how a story like this is cookie cutter stuff that gets trotted out every cycle. It's sweet that you think everything ever reported on the BBC and the Guardian qualifies as news. Remember that next time they publish something you don't like, won't ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 LOL. I think you may have missed Whelks and my comments about how a story like this is cookie cutter stuff that gets trotted out every cycle. It's sweet that you think everything ever reported on the BBC and the Guardian qualifies as news. Remember that next time they publish something you don't like, won't ya? I did see that, you wrote about this stuff getting trotted out in the Telegraph, not in other news outlets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 The exact same feed on the Guardian reports that a Scottish parliamentary candidate is wearing Cookie Monster pajamas for a Radio 4 interview this morning. I'd have said that isn't news but this morning I have learnt that in UJ's world if it's on the Guardian IT IS NEWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 The exact same feed on the Guardian reports that a Scottish parliamentary candidate is wearing Cookie Monster pajamas for a Radio 4 interview this morning. I'd have said that isn't news but this morning I have learnt that in UJ's world if it's on the Guardian IT IS NEWS. I'll explain it to you. As it is quite blatant right wing 'news' it generally wouldn't be reported by a left wing paper unless it was seen as news, or a news threat to be argued. The same as if the Telegraph reported on positive Labour stories, it wouldn't happen unless it was big news. That is the point you're not getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Because we can all learn a lot from The Thick Of It, but apropos of nothing in particular... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Because we can all learn a lot from The Thick Of It, but apropos of nothing in particular... Such a good quote it's worth posting thrice. Great program though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2015 3/10 poor effort [emoji20] I'll happily take the 3 points. I didn't rate it that highly myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Such a good quote it's worth posting thrice. Great program though. It's the real life accuracy that swings it. A solid bed of c**ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I always thought The thick of it took the **** out of both parties, I didn't realise it was just Tory bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I'll explain it to you. As it is quite blatant right wing 'news' it generally wouldn't be reported by a left wing paper unless it was seen as news, or a news threat to be argued. The same as if the Telegraph reported on positive Labour stories, it wouldn't happen unless it was big news. That is the point you're not getting. The fact that we're all discussing it suggests it is news. But the reason it is news is because some naive people will take it seriously rather than because it is something anyone should take seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 The fact that we're all discussing it suggests it is news. But the reason it is news is because some naive people will take it seriously rather than because it is something anyone should take seriously All the lefties getting their knickers in a twist over it, will change their tune come the EU referendum. Then they'll want us to " listen to business" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2015 (edited) All the lefties getting their knickers in a twist over it. Its a close run thing between what is most predictable: the 'Torygraph' (clever play-on-words chortle) printing an article about job creators being anti-Labour or the inevitable reaction from the mouth-frothing anti-Tory brigade. Too close to call Edited 1 April, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I always thought The thick of it took the **** out of both parties, I didn't realise it was just Tory bashing. No, while it never names parties specifically, it does take very nice potshots at three of them. Not UKIP, obvs. The comedy is self-perpetuating there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I'll not read any of the press until after the election as they've all gone into default election mode which is just bol locks. The only interesting thing, to me, is if The Express openly comes out on the side of UKIP, otherwise it's a case of "as you were" as per every election I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Businessmen rubbing their hands together at the thought of lower corporation tax. Meanwhile, in terms of the overall economy these guys (who can look beyond their bonus, gold-plated jacuzzi and yacht) have a somewhat different view: http://cfmsurvey.org/surveys/importance-elections-uk-economic-activity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Businessmen rubbing their hands together at the thought of lower corporation tax. Meanwhile, in terms of the overall economy these guys (who can look beyond their bonus, gold-plated jacuzzi and yacht) have a somewhat different view: http://cfmsurvey.org/surveys/importance-elections-uk-economic-activity Lower Corporation Tax means more money available for investment in new jobs and equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Lower Corporation Tax means more money available for investment in new jobs and equipment. yes, possibly, or gold-plated jacuzzis, yachts and massive bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Lower Corporation Tax means more money available for investment in new jobs and equipment. More money for dividends. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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