General Election 2015

[Lord Duckhunter]

He'll hold the vote, its the renegotiation that will be the BS. He'll do a Wilson and claim some spurious tinkering around the edges and hype it as some sort of major change in our relationship with the EU. The establishment are going to con the British people again.

[Lord Duckhunter]

[aintforever]

 

Surely it's only fair you include the Tory who doesn't give away any fish because they are his, teaches f*ck-all because they are competitors and watches everyone else starve while he eats fish til he pukes?

Edited 30 March, 2015 by aintforever

[Verbal]

 

It's such a shame you have good taste in music.

[Whitey Grandad]

You may have heard this one:

 

I recently asked my neighbours’ little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister someday. Both of her parents, who are Labour supporters, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?’ She replied, ‘I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.’ Her parents beamed with pride. ’Wow…what a worthy goal.’ I told her, ‘But you don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and clear up my yard, and I’ll pay you £50. Then I’ll take you over to the supermarket where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the £50 to use toward food and a new house.‘ She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the £50?”

 

I said ‘Welcome to the Conservatives.’

[Tokyo-Saint]

Why didn't she say "but the homeless guy has mental health and alcohol issues brought on by an abusive father and absent mother. He didn't have the same chances as me due in part to an unfair society and posh wankers in big houses in Chandlers Ford desire to maintain their position like a Lord from Downton Abbey. I have more than him so as a comprise, I will do the gardening with his the first time, then he will be over to your nice detached house in Valley Park every 2nd Thursday, make sure you have the £50 ready in cash as he doesn't give credit to the likes of you. Not after the bugger up starting July 2007"?

 

 

3rd and final post being a socialist...that's the caring sharing society for you.

[Bearsy]

how big is whitey's lawn, that he pays little kids £50 to mow it! He should probably offer the homeless guy one of the spare rooms in the east wing

[Window Cleaner]

how big is whitey's lawn, that he pays little kids £50 to mow it! He should probably offer the homeless guy one of the spare rooms in the east wing

 

£50 ? WTF when I was a boy scout doing bob a job, the miserable bastards sometimes only gave you ninepence for hacking down a couple of acres of forest with a pocket knife and weeding 3000 sq metres. You then got hassle from Akela for not making enough.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The anti tax avoiders Labour Party, have today got their first celebratory endorsement.

 

The bloke from the office.

 

What could possibly go wrong for this anti tax avoidance party and their famous supporter.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alison-phillips-rich-tax-avoiders-1759478

 

Is she from Portsmouth?

[Batman]

Well, I am voting Tory. UKiP have not done enough for me and besides, I have met our local MP (Oliver Colville, Tory) and he has been brilliant around our way making changes that have been of benefit. His current majority is a very slim one. so who knows.

 

Voted Labour 10 years ago mind....NO WAY will I vote for them while Ed and Balls are there and certainly NOT while they cozy up to the SNP

 

I also believe that the Greens will have 0 MPs, Labour will fall far shorter than currently believed and we will have a Conservative Govt propped up by UKiP and the Irish

with Farage as deputy PM

Edited 30 March, 2015 by Batman

[Whitey Grandad]

Why didn't she say "but the homeless guy has mental health and alcohol issues brought on by an abusive father and absent mother. He didn't have the same chances as me due in part to an unfair society and posh wankers in big houses in Chandlers Ford desire to maintain their position like a Lord from Downton Abbey. I have more than him so as a comprise, I will do the gardening with his the first time, then he will be over to your nice detached house in Valley Park every 2nd Thursday, make sure you have the £50 ready in cash as he doesn't give credit to the likes of you. Not after the bugger up starting July 2007"?

 

 

3rd and final post being a socialist...that's the caring sharing society for you.

 

You have obviously never been there. We call it a sink estate.

[Whitey Grandad]

how big is whitey's lawn, that he pays little kids £50 to mow it! He should probably offer the homeless guy one of the spare rooms in the east wing

 

If I'd said 50p you'd all accuse me of exploiting child workers. There's no pleasing some people

[Hockey_saint]

 

I find it really facinating all these right-wing posters. I mean, I've been listening to Bill Bryson and he's right. If you think about both sides of the political spectrum, they both encompass Britain (The left, communism in that we have patience, we don't mind queueing, we make do with little things in life and we often don't mind giving some of our taxes to help others....The kicker being that (in his words) we also tolerate dictators....We put up Maragret Thatcher for long enough!).

 

And, of course, the right is encompassed by the British spirit of free trade and business ethics....also greed and selfishness.

[Saint-Armstrong]

[Turkish]

By default everyone should be a socialist. We should all want the country to prosper and be run for the common good. Whilst I admire the altruism of those who yearn for a socialist utopia, it doesn't exist, never will and most people who harp on about it are self serving c*nts. Labour are unelectable and they only ever get into power when everyone is sick of the Tories anyway. UKIP only exist because so many people are dissatisfied with the others. the thought of milband as our leader on a world stage is terrifying, we'd be a laughing stock, yet unfortunately a lot of people seem to vote for them because it's what tradition tells them they should do.

 

If there was a box on the voting form which said 'none of these' I wonder how many, if people were honest with themselves and their vote, would tick it.

[Hockey_saint]

By default everyone should be a socialist. We should all want the country to prosper and be run for the common good. Whilst I admire the altruism of those who yearn for a socialist utopia, it doesn't exist, never will and most people who harp on about it are self serving c*nts. Labour are unelectable and they only ever get into power when everyone is sick of the Tories anyway. UKIP only exist because so many people are dissatisfied with the others. the thought of milband as our leader on a world stage is terrifying, we'd be a laughing stock, yet unfortunately a lot of people seem to vote for them because it's what tradition tells them they should do.

 

If there was a box on the voting form which said 'none of these' I wonder how many, if people were honest with themselves and their vote, would tick it.

 

You make some very good points Turkish. The socialist model will never work. We should also remember it was created by rich boys with consciences. But Feudal systems don't work either because eventually people will get sick of it an push for another option. This trickle-down theory doesn't work and as long as the Billington boys keep on crapping on the poor and as long as Labour continue to go around telling disabled people on benefits that they are not the party for them. Then who else do you reckon we should turn to?

[pap]

The latest Cassetteboy.

 

 

Excellent, although I also see that Labour are now attracting powerful non-political endorsements, such as resident political maverick Batman claiming he's going to vote Tory.

[Batman]

The latest Cassetteboy.

 

 

Excellent, although I also see that Labour are now attracting powerful non-political endorsements, such as resident political maverick Batman claiming he's going to vote Tory.

 

Who are you voting for?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I don't think I'll vote this year...

[Verbal]

Labour are unelectable and they only ever get into power when everyone is sick of the Tories anyway. UKIP only exist because so many people are dissatisfied with the others.

 

You seem to have got that the wrong way around. There has been no Conservative majority election victory since 1992 - almost a quarter of a century ago. Labour came within a missed meeting of forming a government in 2010 despite its record in power.

 

The Conservatives long ago ceased to be the 'natural' party of government.

[pap]

Who are you voting for?

 

Dunno yet. Definitely not Tory. Haven't got a great deal of time for Labour either, but they're not the overt f**king bandits and obvious danger to public health that the Tories are.

 

Doesn't really matter where I live anyway. Labour had a majority of over 18K last time. Stephen Twigg will be my MP.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Dunno yet. Definitely not Tory. Haven't got a great deal of time for Labour either, but they're not the overt f**king bandits and obvious danger to public health that the Tories are.

 

Doesn't really matter where I live anyway. Labour had a majority of over 18K last time. Stephen Twigg will be my MP.

 

Sorry this is terribly dull, but seems we both had MPs in the top 25 majorities. My previous MP up until last year being Nick Hurd.

 

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/mps-maj.htm

[Verbal Kint]

the thought of milband as our leader on a world stage is terrifying,

 

Do people not feel the same about Cameron?

[Coxford_lou]

Do people not feel the same about Cameron?

 

Still do!

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Sorry this is terribly dull, but seems we both had MPs in the top 25 majorities. My previous MP up until last year being Nick Hurd.

 

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/mps-maj.htm

 

16,500 majority for mine last time too, unlikely to change...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Do people not feel the same about Cameron?

 

I think the difference is, Milliband terrifies the Tories because we could see an additional 3 million out of work. Cameron terrifies Labour because we could see the current unemployed getting less money.

[JackanorySFC]

Do people not feel the same about Cameron?

 

Not if you look at every opinion poll ever conducted when asked questions relating to Cameron's/ Milliband's standing on a World stage no.

 

Like him or not, Cameron has gravitas and can hold his own with World leaders. Imagine Ed trying to negotiate with Putin? The possibility of that is a genuine threat to our national security in both my opinion and the opinion of the majority of poll respondents on every poll ever conducted on the subject regardless of party support.

 

By the way I'm a previous Labour voter from a strong Labour voting family.

[pap]

I think the difference is, Milliband terrifies the Tories because we could see an additional 3 million out of work. Cameron terrifies Labour because we could see the current unemployed getting less money.

 

That's not why the left don't like Cameron. He's a f**king thief selling whatever isn't nailed down, and getting simpletons to blame it all on the poor or unemployed.

[trousers]

There has been no Conservative majority election victory since 1992 - almost a quarter of a century ago

 

#whataboutery klaxon#

 

Although, of course, Cameron polled more votes (10,703,654) in 2010 than Blair did in 2005 (9,552,436) and more or less the same as Blair in 2001 (10,724,953).

 

If it wasn't for those pesky constituency boundaries.....

Edited 31 March, 2015 by trousers

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

You seem to have got that the wrong way around. There has been no Conservative majority election victory since 1992 - almost a quarter of a century ago. Labour came within a missed meeting of forming a government in 2010 despite its record in power.

 

The Conservatives long ago ceased to be the 'natural' party of government.

 

When Labour received the same 36% of the vote in 2005 they enjoyed a landslide, when the Tories got 36% of the vote in 2010 they fell short of a majority. The way the boundaries fall favours labour.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

That's not why the left don't like Cameron. He's a f**king thief selling whatever isn't nailed down, and getting simpletons to blame it all on the poor or unemployed.

 

Looking at the amount sold by the Labour government since 1997, I think that is a bit over the top:

Labour

Bristol Airport (1997, 2001)

Railfreight Distribution (1997)

Building Research Establishment (1997)

Department for National Savings (1999, back office functions contracted out)

Humberside Airport (1999 - 82%)

Kingston Communications (1999, 2007)

Liverpool Airport (2001)

London Luton Airport (1997)

Student loans portfolios (1998, 1999, 2013)

Actis (2004, 2012)

BBC Books (2006 - 85%)

BBC Broadcast (2005)

BBC Costumes and Wigs (200

BBC Outside Broadcasts (200

BBC Technology (2004)

British Nuclear Fuels Limited

AWE Management Limited (200

BNG America (2007)

BNG Project Services (200

Reactor Sites Management Company (2007)

Westinghouse Electric Company (2006)

East Thames Buses (2009)

Leeds Bradford International Airport (2007)

National Air Traffic Services (2001 - 51%)

Newcastle Airport (2001 - 49%)

Partnerships UK (2000, 2011)

Qinetiq (2002, 2006, 200

South Eastern Trains (2006)

Teesside International Airport (2003 - 75%)

UKAEA Limited (2009)

Conservative:

BBC Audiobooks (2010 - 85%)

BBC Magazines (2011)

Behavioural Insights Team (2014 - 67%)

Bio Products Laboratory (2013 - 80%)

Fire Service College (2013)

High Speed 1 (2010)

Lloyds Banking Group (2013 - 6%)

Manchester Airports Group (2013 - 35%)

Northern Rock (2012)

Remploy (2012, 2013, factory businesses sold individually)

Royal Mail (2013 - 70%)

The Tote (2011)

East Coast Trains (2014)

[CB Fry]

#whataboutery klaxon#

 

Although, of course, Cameron polled more votes (10,703,654) in 2010 than Blair did in 2005 (9,552,436) and more or less the same as Blair in 2001 (10,724,953).

 

If it wasn't for those pesky constituency boundaries.....

Witney is more populous than I remember.

 

#pedantry pendant#

[CB Fry]

When Labour received the same 36% of the vote in 2005 they enjoyed a landslide, when the Tories got 36% of the vote in 2010 they fell short of a majority. The way the boundaries fall favours labour.

Not really.

 

And anyway, the Tories are more anti- first past the post than Labour.

 

Bring in PR then everyone's a winner. Or the actual winners are the winners.

[trousers]

Looking at the amount sold by the Labour government since 1997, I think that is a bit over the top

 

Pap? Over the top? Surely mistaken identity...?

[aintforever]

Labour lost this election the moment they put the wrong brother in charge with Mr Balls as his number 2. That's the tragedy of this election but how can the country have faith in a party that can't even choose the right leaders?

 

It says all you need to know about the Tories that they are neck and neck in the polls with a party led by a cartoon character and a man with a comedy name. Our only hope is that the UKIP vote rips the arse out of the Tory vote in the marginals and Labour/LibDem/SNP can form some sort of coalition. Would be ironic if it is the first past the post system that stops the Tories from getting power.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Not really.

 

And anyway, the Tories are more anti- first past the post than Labour.

 

Bring in PR then everyone's a winner. Or the actual winners are the winners.

 

That's fine, and I think PR is a good idea. However, how do the MP's get split out around the constiuencies?

[trousers]

the Tories are more anti- first past the post than Labour.

 

Indeed. However, the Tories are more pro- 'make-the-constituencies-an-even-size' than Labour. Granted, there's a valid argument for saying FPTP isn't the fairest system in the world but, given its what we've got, how about we make it as fair as possible (within the confines of the system)? Just a thought.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Not really.

 

And anyway, the Tories are more anti- first past the post than Labour.

 

Bring in PR then everyone's a winner. Or the actual winners are the winners.

 

I can understand your thoughts on PR but given the figures how can you contest that the boundaries favoured Labour in the last few elections? Scotland was part of that factor and it will be interesting to see how the SNP will balance things out this time.

[bridge too far]

Looking at the amount sold by the Labour government since 1997, I think that is a bit over the top:

Labour

Bristol Airport (1997, 2001)

Railfreight Distribution (1997)

Building Research Establishment (1997)

Department for National Savings (1999, back office functions contracted out)

Humberside Airport (1999 - 82%)

Kingston Communications (1999, 2007)

Liverpool Airport (2001)

London Luton Airport (1997)

Student loans portfolios (1998, 1999, 2013)

Actis (2004, 2012)

BBC Books (2006 - 85%)

BBC Broadcast (2005)

BBC Costumes and Wigs (200

BBC Outside Broadcasts (200

BBC Technology (2004)

British Nuclear Fuels Limited

AWE Management Limited (200

BNG America (2007)

BNG Project Services (200

Reactor Sites Management Company (2007)

Westinghouse Electric Company (2006)

East Thames Buses (2009)

Leeds Bradford International Airport (2007)

National Air Traffic Services (2001 - 51%)

Newcastle Airport (2001 - 49%)

Partnerships UK (2000, 2011)

Qinetiq (2002, 2006, 200

South Eastern Trains (2006)

Teesside International Airport (2003 - 75%)

UKAEA Limited (2009)

Conservative:

BBC Audiobooks (2010 - 85%)

BBC Magazines (2011)

Behavioural Insights Team (2014 - 67%)

Bio Products Laboratory (2013 - 80%)

Fire Service College (2013)

High Speed 1 (2010)

Lloyds Banking Group (2013 - 6%)

Manchester Airports Group (2013 - 35%)

Northern Rock (2012)

Remploy (2012, 2013, factory businesses sold individually)

Royal Mail (2013 - 70%)

The Tote (2011)

East Coast Trains (2014)

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-great-british-selloff-whos-in-9792625.html

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Labour lost this election the moment they put the wrong brother in charge with Mr Balls as his number 2. That's the tragedy of this election but how can the country have faith in a party that can't even choose the right leaders?

 

It says all you need to know about the Tories that they are neck and neck in the polls with a party led by a cartoon character and a man with a comedy name. Our only hope is that the UKIP vote rips the arse out of the Tory vote in the marginals and Labour/LibDem/SNP can form some sort of coalition. Would be ironic if it is the first past the post system that stops the Tories from getting power.

 

'Our only hope'?? As you say, you can't trust Labour, the SNP shouldn't be allowed to vote on English policies, and the Lib Dems are everyones patsy.

 

How the hell is THAT our only hope? And only hope of what? Taking us back into recession? Increasing benefits? What is the 'only hope' in relation to?

[trousers]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-great-british-selloff-whos-in-9792625.html

 

Hey! Whataboutery is my job on here thank you very much ma'am!

[CB Fry]

That's fine, and I think PR is a good idea. However, how do the MP's get split out around the constiuencies?

Do it how other western democracies do it.

 

I'm at work, so that's all I've got time to say. Shame really, because otherwise I could reply to you twice and you can then accuse me of stalking you, or tell me to stop being angry.

 

Just pretend all that happened anyway.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-great-british-selloff-whos-in-9792625.html

 

I'm just taking this from another Labour supporter, earlier in the thread. Not sure how good his data is. Have all those been sold then?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Do it how other western democracies do it.

 

I'm at work, so that's all I've got time to say. Shame really, because otherwise I could reply to you twice and you can then accuse me of stalking you, or tell me to stop being angry.

 

Just pretend all that happened anyway.

 

What a bizarre response, there was no malice etc in that post, just a simple question.

 

Anyway, I didn't realise you worked, I apologise. I'll let you get on with it, those leaflets won't hand themselves out.

[aintforever]

'Our only hope'?? As you say, you can't trust Labour, the SNP shouldn't be allowed to vote on English policies, and the Lib Dems are everyones patsy.

 

How the hell is THAT our only hope? And only hope of what? Taking us back into recession? Increasing benefits? What is the 'only hope' in relation to?

 

Getting the Tories out. Obviously. I think their proposed cuts will just be too brutal. No one like benefit scroungers but the most vulnerable in society need protecting.

[pap]

Looking at the amount sold by the Labour government since 1997, I think that is a bit over the top:

Labour

Bristol Airport (1997, 2001)

Railfreight Distribution (1997)

Building Research Establishment (1997)

Department for National Savings (1999, back office functions contracted out)

Humberside Airport (1999 - 82%)

Kingston Communications (1999, 2007)

Liverpool Airport (2001)

London Luton Airport (1997)

Student loans portfolios (1998, 1999, 2013)

Actis (2004, 2012)

BBC Books (2006 - 85%)

BBC Broadcast (2005)

BBC Costumes and Wigs (200

BBC Outside Broadcasts (200

BBC Technology (2004)

British Nuclear Fuels Limited

AWE Management Limited (200

BNG America (2007)

BNG Project Services (200

Reactor Sites Management Company (2007)

Westinghouse Electric Company (2006)

East Thames Buses (2009)

Leeds Bradford International Airport (2007)

National Air Traffic Services (2001 - 51%)

Newcastle Airport (2001 - 49%)

Partnerships UK (2000, 2011)

Qinetiq (2002, 2006, 200

South Eastern Trains (2006)

Teesside International Airport (2003 - 75%)

UKAEA Limited (2009)

Conservative:

BBC Audiobooks (2010 - 85%)

BBC Magazines (2011)

Behavioural Insights Team (2014 - 67%)

Bio Products Laboratory (2013 - 80%)

Fire Service College (2013)

High Speed 1 (2010)

Lloyds Banking Group (2013 - 6%)

Manchester Airports Group (2013 - 35%)

Northern Rock (2012)

Remploy (2012, 2013, factory businesses sold individually)

Royal Mail (2013 - 70%)

The Tote (2011)

East Coast Trains (2014)

 

The problem with just pulling someone else's list from the Internet and hoping it constitutes an argument is a complete lack of context. Privatisation of airports started in 1987, privatisation of railways began in 1993. Student loans were introduced by the Tories after the grant was phased out. The Conservatives provided the framework for all of this to happen, which is what Labour had to work with when they assumed office. That's a great deal of your list, isn't it?

 

I mean, Labour could have re-nationalised stuff, and at some points, largely out of necessity, they did. There is also plenty of agonising about the inevitability of PFI, and many concerns from within the party that the whole PFI thing was privatisation by the back door (it was).

 

For the Conservatives, privatisation is the only thing they know how to do. They get praised for knowing how to run an economy falsely. Selling everything you own does not equate to running an economy properly. If an individual did it, they would receive short term cash in exchange for a lot of long-term problems. That's precisely what happened with Thatcher's government, and precisely what is happening with with Cameron's government too. These c**ts need to be washed out before they do any more damage to our cherished institutions.

[Coxford_lou]

So basically, everyone who's meeting up for a drink in the pub in London on Tuesday is a Tory? If you start a Cameron love in, I'm straight off home!!

[bridge too far]

I'm just taking this from another Labour supporter, earlier in the thread. Not sure how good his data is. Have all those been sold then?

 

And apparently, when Gove was in charge of Education, one school playing field every 3 weeks was being sold off!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/keep-the-flame-alive/10516870/One-school-playing-field-sold-off-every-three-weeks-since-Coalition-was-formed.html

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Getting the Tories out. Obviously. I think their proposed cuts will just be too brutal. No one like benefit scroungers but the most vulnerable in society need protecting.

 

I agree the new benefits cuts will be too harsh, which is something I don't agree with (and why I won't be voting Conservative - or anyone for that matter). However, I hate the thought of us going back into recession due to Labour getting back in. Much better is to get someone to 'balance out' the Tories cuts through coalition.

[pap]

I agree the new benefits cuts will be too harsh, which is something I don't agree with (and why I won't be voting Conservative - or anyone for that matter). However, I hate the thought of us going back into recession due to Labour getting back in. Much better is to get someone to 'balance out' the Tories cuts through coalition.

 

I take it you've been asleep for the last five years.