hypochondriac Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 You specifically mentioned Alistair Campbell. The guy is the definition of tribal politics. Guess you missed the bit below that then and the bit where I said I was talking chiefly about news reporters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 +1 respect for Brewster's Millions reference, Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Reports seem to be suggesting Farage will stay on as UKIP leader. No great surprise there. Yes apparently his party have refused to accept his resignation....giving him a lovely face saving excuse not to step down after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I know I get ticked-off by the forum thought police for posting links to other people's opinions, but I'm thinking I might just get away with this one as its by a Labour voter (purportedly)... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11597436/Stop-your-whinging-why-the-Left-are-such-bad-losers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I know I get ticked-off by the forum thought police for posting links to other people's opinions, but I'm thinking I might just get away with this one as its by a Labour voter (purportedly)... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11597436/Stop-your-whinging-why-the-Left-are-such-bad-losers.html This bash the left stuff is pathetic the moment you put a minute's thought into it. With respect to the war memorial monument, I could just as easily link some footage of the EDL and pretend that they are somehow representative of the right, but I don't, because they aren't, and it's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 This bash the left stuff is pathetic the moment you put a minute's thought into it. With respect to the war memorial monument, I could just as easily link some footage of the EDL and pretend that they are somehow representative of the right, but I don't, because they aren't, and it's pathetic. Point well missed. The right wing loonies aren't in the Conservative Party, they have to go and form their own, BNP, UKIP and the like. The left wing loonies, on the other hand, are all a part of that rainbow coalition that the Labour Party has become in order to try to compete. I am a former Labour Party supporter and voter, but this lot are going nowhere until they sort themselves out. If you need a reminder, go back and have a look again at the results of all of the different votes in the last leadership election in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Point well missed. The right wing loonies aren't in the Conservative Party, they have to go and form their own, BNP, UKIP and the like. The left wing loonies, on the other hand, are all a part of that rainbow coalition that the Labour Party has become in order to try to compete. I am a former Labour Party supporter and voter, but this lot are going nowhere until they sort themselves out. If you need a reminder, go back and have a look again at the results of all of the different votes in the last leadership election in 2010. How do you know that the perpetrators of this incident didn't belong to some far left group? You don't, but you're still happy to assume that they are part of some mythical rainbow coalition you've just invented. In truth, the left is just as fragmented as the right. No point has been missed, but I did enjoy the projection and the creative writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I know I get ticked-off by the forum thought police for posting links to other people's opinions, but I'm thinking I might just get away with this one as its by a Labour voter (purportedly)... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11597436/Stop-your-whinging-why-the-Left-are-such-bad-losers.html Brilliant article. This bit sums it up well: This caterwauling about the process being undemocratic is breathtaking in its glibness; it is the kind of thing that would get a politician lynched (and how unusual that the politicians have been more honourable in defeat than many of their supporters). Because the really undemocratic thing here is the process of trying to bully and silence people who happen to have opinions that differ from yours. It is screaming and shouting that everyone should use their democratic right to vote, and then boohooing when they use their democratic right to vote for a party you don’t happen to like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 How do you know that the perpetrators of this incident didn't belong to some far left group? You don't, but you're still happy to assume that they are part of some mythical rainbow coalition you've just invented. In truth, the left is just as fragmented as the right. No point has been missed, but I did enjoy the projection and the creative writing. Laurie Penny is a Labour party member and was quite happy to defend the vandalism of the war memorial in the name of party politics. That's pretty low and a little bit loony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Laurie Penny is a Labour party member and was quite happy to defend the vandalism of the war memorial in the name of party politics. That's pretty low and a little bit loony. And? It's classic exception proves the rule stuff. You're using the contents of a deliberative provocative article to say that this is somehow indicative of the Labour Party because a Labour Party member said it. Yeah, that's member. Not MP, MEP or anything official. Labour Party member. Who happens to be a journalist. That wrote a provocative article. Even in the midst of the UKIP witch-hunt, those seeking to discredit UKIP targeted politicians. That should really give an indication of how far you've had to go to make this point. Labour Party member. Arf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Wow, that's twice you've missed the point pap - you're on fire this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 This made me laugh - America's take on our election: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-takes-on-british-medias-devastating-case-of-cnn-itis/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Increase in female cabinet members - well done the Conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Increase in female cabinet members - well done the Conservatives. Lou must be pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 This made me laugh - America's take on our election: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-takes-on-british-medias-devastating-case-of-cnn-itis/ I think there's a degree of truth in what he's saying. Jeremy Vine's role wasn't great on election night, and anything that could be said in simple terms had to be over-illustrated and rammed down our throats. It was telling that the man who came up with the swingometer said that he didn't like it anymore. I thought the best bit about the whole evening of coverage on the BBC was John Curtice, and all he did was stand and talk. He didn't use hyperbole, he was rational, and he put things in simple terms. Best of all though he was right, and he didn't have to be sat at a desk, partially obscured by a laptop or waving his hands at blue screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Increase in female cabinet members - well done the Conservatives. Let's hope they give a crap about the plight of women under their indifferent governance then. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/21/spending-cuts-women-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Lou must be pleased. I didn't think you cared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Also strong anti-gay ministers in the Equalities & Arts posts. But it's ok, being a homophobe really won't have any issues in those roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I didn't think you cared? You must be though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 (edited) You must be though? Depends on the women, really. Maggie as PM had little to no (many even argued a negative) impact on women in society. Edited 12 May, 2015 by KelvinsRightGlove Typo/bracket placement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 (edited) I didn't think you cared? There is much you don't know about me. You must be pleased surely? It's somethibg you specifically mentioned you wanted in an earlier post. Edited 12 May, 2015 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Also strong anti-gay ministers in the Equalities & Arts posts. But it's ok, being a homophobe really won't have any issues in those roles. I thought equality legislation was intended to dictate how you act, not how you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 You must be though? There is much you don't know about me. You must be pleased surely? It's somethibg you specifically mentioned you wanted in an earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Depends on the women, really. Maggie as PM had little to no (many even argued a negative impact) on women in society. Lou mentioned greater representation of women in the cabinet. We have more now which is surely a positive step? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I was just posting up about more women in the cabinet, leave me out of your fantasies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I'm just trying to get lou to give some praise to the Conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 You must be though? Of course I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I'm just trying to get lou to give some praise to the Conservatives. The way you belittle me, and then try to bait me, is kind of creepy. I wish you'd take interest in someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I was just posting up about more women in the cabinet, leave me out of your fantasies. I'm just trying to get lou to give some praise to the Conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Depends on the women, really. Maggie as PM had little to no (many even argued a negative impact) on women in society. I think volume of women is a positive thing, across all parties, regardless of their politics. I'm not going to agree with all their points of view, but I don't with men either, and that's fine. It should be completely normal to have women in power. And you should be completely free to vehemently disagree with woman in power in the same way you would do a man. I struggle to understand why some on this forum find this notion so radical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 The way you belittle me, and then try to bait me, is kind of creepy. I wish you'd take interest in someone else. You make it sound like I'm following you around and replying to you. A quick look at my post history will confirm that is not the case. Where do you feel belittled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I think volume of women is a positive thing, across all parties, regardless of their politics. I'm not going to agree with all their points of view, but I don't with men either, and that's fine. It should be completely normal to have women in power. And you should be completely free to vehemently disagree with woman in power in the same way you would do a man. I struggle to understand why some on this forum find this notion so radical. Excellent news. Well done the Tories for increasing the number of women in powerful positions. Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 You make it sound like I'm following you around and replying to you. A quick look at my post history will confirm that is not the case. Where do you feel belittled? Yeah, c'mon Lou, you big narcissist. Hypo has tried grooming VFTT and Convict Colony in the last week alone (check his post history!). It's not all about you, Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I think volume of women is a positive thing, across all parties, regardless of their politics. I'm not going to agree with all their points of view, but I don't with men either, and that's fine. It should be completely normal to have women in power. And you should be completely free to vehemently disagree with woman in power in the same way you would do a man. I struggle to understand why some on this forum find this notion so radical. I don't think they do, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 With pap's tendency to confuse mild praise with grooming, it would have been interesting to have seen him when he was single and out on the dating scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Most of my family do also and they mention it all the time....it's a recurring theme. Also, did I not mention that so far the conservatives have not dismantled the NHS because of public opinion? Ah, selective reading again. I am also not bitter, more worried about the great many disabled people I know who's lives are going to be made a living hell thanks to this actually. But hey, you're a right wing voter so, of course you have to be completely right don't you. *To elaborate, my sister-in-law also works as a ward sister in a very intense London A&E and I know a great many junior doctors since I belong to a university of Southampton group who all say so please, if you're wife never mentions this to you... Hmm, my parents spent their entire working life in the NHS, one of them very senior at Soton General... They spit about what labour did to it. Funny that isn't it. The left wing can't except when they lose. Madness. You only have to look at the vandalism of the war memorial, and what they did to charlotte Leslie's parents house in bristol to be grateful that the left got drop kicked out of power. If Scotland goes independent I can live my life free of the far left wing until the end of time. Thatcherism is back, suck it up and move on. Already today they are capping benefits for a single person at £26k (how much.....) and introducing further free child care benefits for 3 & 4 year old children. Really looking forward to a government that puts money back into the hands of working people and lets them live their own life, rather than taking their money and spending it for them/wasting it. A government that supports families rather than one that gave us a record rise in single parents and broken families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Yeah, c'mon Lou, you big narcissist. Hypo has tried grooming VFTT and Convict Colony in the last week alone (check his post history!). It's not all about you, Lou Meanwhile, I'm off to meet the Queen, believe it or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Meanwhile, I'm off to meet the Queen, believe it or not! Be sure to mention my plans for succession while you're there. If Charles is about, I'm sure he'll be all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Beautiful Bugger! I'm just out of shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Hmm, my parents spent their entire working life in the NHS, one of them very senior at Soton General... They spit about what labour did to it. Funny that isn't it. The left wing can't except when they lose. Madness. You only have to look at the vandalism of the war memorial, and what they did to charlotte Leslie's parents house in bristol to be grateful that the left got drop kicked out of power. If Scotland goes independent I can live my life free of the far left wing until the end of time. Thatcherism is back, suck it up and move on. Already today they are capping benefits for a single person at £26k (how much.....) and introducing further free child care benefits for 3 & 4 year old children. Really looking forward to a government that puts money back into the hands of working people and lets them live their own life, rather than taking their money and spending it for them/wasting it. A government that supports families rather than one that gave us a record rise in single parents and broken families. How are Labour responsible for single parents and broken families? My parents got divorced under Thatcher's reign - was it her fault?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Lou mentioned greater representation of women in the cabinet. We have more now which is surely a positive step? It certainly is, yes. But it is just one step (granted a positive one). The next step is to ensure that having a more diverse cabinet (it's still pretty white middle-class) leads to better representation across the board. As I said before, many feel that Maggie had a negative impact for women in society despite her being a woman herself. As I've also said, it's not worth if the women put in certain positions are then going to harm the interests of other marginalised people in society. For example, Caroline Dineage's appointment as equalities minister given her anti-gay marriage stance previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Hundreds of war veterans are living destitute and being refused sick benefits for their illnesses such as mental health and such and no one batters an eye....but if some daubs a memorial....heaven-forbid (neither are in any way right by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 It certainly is, yes. But it is just one step (granted a positive one). The next step is to ensure that having a more diverse cabinet (it's still pretty white middle-class) leads to better representation across the board. As I said before, many feel that Maggie had a negative impact for women in society despite her being a woman herself. As I've also said, it's not worth if the women put in certain positions are then going to harm the interests of other marginalised people in society. For example, Caroline Dineage's appointment as equalities minister given her anti-gay marriage stance previously. You're not being very tolerant of her by not accepting her right to oppose calling it marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Whether there's more birds in the government or not its a pretty decent start from Cameron. He's never been my sort of Tory, too wet for my liking , but if he continues like this it looks good. Priti Patel is not just a pretty filly , but has some sound opinions, great he's demoted that plum Shapps . I like the appointment of Gove to ditch the HRA , but the best move is Whitingdale , watch out the Bloated Broadcasting Corporation. He's dropped the ball by ditching Pickles, and I hoped we'd seen the last of Anna Soubry . Looks like the voters have done him a massive favour by ditching the dead weight of the lib/dumbs and he can press ahead whilst the unions decided which leader to install . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Beautiful I dunno. Always room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2015 (edited) It certainly is, yes. But it is just one step (granted a positive one). The next step is to ensure that having a more diverse cabinet (it's still pretty white middle-class) leads to better representation across the board. As I said before, many feel that Maggie had a negative impact for women in society despite her being a woman herself. As I've also said, it's not worth if the women put in certain positions are then going to harm the interests of other marginalised people in society. For example, Caroline Dineage's appointment as equalities minister given her anti-gay marriage stance previously. Here's her original thinking on the matter: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/gosport-mp-against-move-for-same-sex-marriages-1-4752446 It doesn't sound like she was against same-sex marriage as a matter of dogmatic principle, rather she had concerns about the potential discrimination of people with religious beliefs. In other words, what she seems to be saying is that same-sex 'civil partnerships' and 'civil marriages' are already of equal status, in her opinion, and as such she didn't see a need to change anything to maintain that perceived level of equality. Now, one can obviously disagree with her opinion on that, but I'm not sure that her position on same-sex marriages is necessarily incompatible with being an equalities minister. On your marks, get set..... #pull Trousers' post to pieces klaxon# Edited 12 May, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 And so it's started. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/12/scottish-government-human-rights-act-conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Hundreds of war veterans are living destitute and being refused sick benefits for their illnesses such as mental health and such and no one batters an eye....but if some daubs a memorial....heaven-forbid (neither are in any way right by the way). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzpoUfXaHm8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I was trying to find you a copy of that famous grandad speech from Only Fool's and Horses about how the government after world war one promised homes fit for heroes but delivered heroes fit for homes....Bugger! Either way, things like PTSD are kinda big issues. It's one thing I'd like to see tackled by this government however I think they'll just fail these tick box tests and be marginalised. However, I who-heartedly endorse this idea the government want to bring in about removing the criminal element of BBC non-license paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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