BlakeySFC Posted 8 May, 2015 Share Posted 8 May, 2015 In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 8 May, 2015 Share Posted 8 May, 2015 (edited) In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. To be fair, it will most likely be stressed related, due to the debts that our generation passed down to them, so don't try to shrug that one off Edited 9 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 8 May, 2015 Share Posted 8 May, 2015 In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. Blimey what odds would you get down William Hill on the "NHS Killing" Tories being in power long enough to do away with it? Who ever signs off that happening knows that it would be like adding Strychnine to their own bowl of cornflakes every morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 May, 2015 Share Posted 8 May, 2015 In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. The NHS is just over one year older than me and during its existence there have been governments of all shapes and colours. It will still be going after I've gone. Don't be such a melodramatic wussy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 To be fair, it will most likely be stressed related, due to the debts that our generation passed down to them. Good point. Interest repayments on our national debt this year will be £57bn which is half the NHS budget of £114bn. If the debt interest is reduced there would be more to spend on health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) Good point. Interest repayments on our national debt this year will be £57bn which is half the NHS budget of £114bn. If the debt interest is reduced there would be more to spend on health. My my view is that it is completely immoral to pass on 'our' debts to our children and grand children. how those supporters of social justice, cannot see the injustice in this is beyond me. It is as if their view is **** our children and **** our grand children. Let them ****ers pay.... An attitude that goes against the very grain of true socialism. Passing our debts onto people who haven't even been born yet, irrespective of rich or poor.????? Perhaps the leftie socialists on this forum need to readjust their moral compasses a little bit????? Edited 9 May, 2015 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) My my view is that it is completely immoral to pass on 'our' debts to our children and grand children. how those supporters of social justice, cannot see the injustice in this is beyond me. It is as if their view is **** our children and **** our grand children. Let them ****ers pay.... An attitude that goes against the very grain of true socialism. Passing our debts onto people who haven't even been born yet, irrespective of rich or poor.????? Perhaps the leftie socialists on this forum need to readjust their moral compasses a little bit????? The people who worry about the deficit think they have a monopoly on morality in terms of how we care about our children, I am here to tell you from the point of view of my own children I am a lot more worried about bequeathing them no investments in the advancement of science, bequeathing them a vast bill for deferred maintenance, bequeathing them a starved public sector that no longer functions because of the attrition of all the most able civil servants than I am about bequeathing them “paper debt” which is accumulating interest at less than 1 per cent interest in real terms. Those liabilities from deferred maintenance, the costs grow a lot faster than 1-2 % in real terms if you let the problems fester. We’re going to have not only a better economy if we invest now, not just more output, in all likelihood we will have a better fisc. Larry Summers on 'the need to readjust one's moral compass' Edited 9 May, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Larry Summers on 'the need readjust one's moral compass' so you think handing them a bankrupt country is a good thing? i am glad you're not my grandparent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 so you think handing them a bankrupt country is a good thing? i am glad you're not my grandparent Did you read the quote? Bankrupt the country Be serious or try your pub economics and philosophy on someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Did you read the quote? Bankrupt the country Be serious or try your pub economics on someone else. goodbye to the NHS is not alcohol fuelled sour grapes crying into your pint politics?? Best LOL I have heard all night. It's nearly as funny as millibland selling his "unused" garden ornament on ebay. What a waste of 30k.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) Never felt more ashamed of this country. An island lacking in sense & compassion, where right-wing propaganda is taken as fact. Sickening. Time to top up the food banks I guess, not much more that can be done until the riots. Edited 9 May, 2015 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 goodbye to the NHS is not alcohol fuelled sour grapes crying into your pint politics?? Best LOL I have heard all night. It's nearly as funny as millibland selling his "unused" garden ornament on ebay. What a waste of 30k.... I never mentioned "goodbye to the NHS" - whoever said it is getting a tad carried away. An simply saying that foregoing productive investments in the science base, infrastructure and general competitiveness which might allow the economy grow out of its debt and can be bequeathed to future generations is as much a moral dereliction of duty as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Never felt more ashamed of this country. An island lacking in sense & compassion, where right-wing propaganda is taken as fact. Sickening. Time to top up the food banks I guess, not much more that can be done until the riots. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. Move to Wales then , the labour NHS there is " great" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) Most of my family do also and they mention it all the time....it's a recurring theme. Also, did I not mention that so far the conservatives have not dismantled the NHS because of public opinion? Ah, selective reading again. I am also not bitter, more worried about the great many disabled people I know who's lives are going to be made a living hell thanks to this actually. But hey, you're a right wing voter so, of course you have to be completely right don't you. *To elaborate, my sister-in-law also works as a ward sister in a very intense London A&E and I know a great many junior doctors since I belong to a university of Southampton group who all say so please, if you're wife never mentions this to you... I was on the receiving end of many more stories of failings in the NHS when Labour were in power. I'm not saying everything is perfect in the NHS under the Tories, far from it, but to paint a picture of 'NHS = bad' under the Tories and 'NHS = good' under Non- Tories is simply wrong, in my experience. The NHS achieved record satisfaction levels last year. Damn those nasty NHS trashing Tories.... Edited 9 May, 2015 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 In 30 years time when your grandchild dies because the NHS doesn't exist any more, please do remember to shrug. The NHS is obviously still going to continue. Posts like that just come across as bitter sour grapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 This thread really does read like last Summer's meltdown threads on the main board. Quality reading guys, keep in up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Are you pis_sed? Many were utterly livid with Blair for getting into bed with Murdock. a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Er, I think that's what he's saying.. Who? VFFT? I was agreeing with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 This thread really does read like last Summer's meltdown threads on the main board. Quality reading guys, keep in up! Yep, It has escalated into sixth form silliness rather quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Isn't it 25% of the 65% that turned out?....... No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I was on the receiving end of many more stories of failings in the NHS when Labour were in power. I'm not saying everything is perfect in the NHS under the Tories, far from it, but to paint a picture of 'NHS = bad' under the Tories and 'NHS = good' under Non- Tories is simply wrong, in my experience. The NHS achieved record satisfaction levels last year. Damn those nasty NHS trashing Tories.... When you are making cuts and your immediate choice is to cut it from those that need it the most as opposed to your rich tax-avoiding mates then yes, you qualify as pretty bleedin nasty. So do the people who allow this to happen. That's why I think people should be ashamed of themselves right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) No. either way, it wasn't a huge amount higher than UKIP's voter numbers. Edited 9 May, 2015 by Hockey_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 When you are making cuts and your immediate choice is to cut it from those that need it the most as opposed to your rich tax-avoiding mates then yes, you qualify as pretty bleedin nasty. So do the people who allow this to happen. That's why I think people should be ashamed of themselves right now. Fair enough you're upset at the result, but to brand everyone who voted Tory as "pretty bleeding nasty" and that they should be ashamed is quite frankly childish nonsense. Stop being so bloody melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Fair enough you're upset at the result, but to brand everyone who voted Tory as "pretty bleeding nasty" and that they should be ashamed is quite frankly childish nonsense. Stop being so bloody melodramatic. Have you seen the disabled people tying themselves to the railings outside parliament? Yes, very melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I'd like her too. Canny operator and sharp as a tack. I think she'd best Boris and, importantly, bring women back into the fold. It amazes me that the 2 of you would entertain Yvette Cooper as Labour leader! Have you not learnt that MPS like her ,her husband and Ed turn the middle ground voters off. She was very low key during the election as I suspect many of the powers to be knew that she would cost votes every time she showed her face. Elect her by all means I'm sure the rest of the parties will be right behind you happily encouraging it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Larry Summers on 'the need to readjust one's moral compass' The overdraft hasn't been spent on these things. It has gone on supporting the State of Dependancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 When you are making cuts and your immediate choice is to cut it from those that need it the most as opposed to your rich tax-avoiding mates then yes, you qualify as pretty bleedin nasty. So do the people who allow this to happen. That's why I think people should be ashamed of themselves right now. Funnily enough I come across a lot more non rich asking for cash when they are washing the car, doing small jobs etc than people at the high end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Funnily enough I come across a lot more non rich asking for cash when they are washing the car, doing small jobs etc than people at the high end How and why would you ever "come across" a highly paid, say, investment banker asking you for cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 How and why would you ever "come across" a highly paid, say, investment banker asking you for cash? I was thinking that; the line made no sense to me. It's pretty clear that most bankers have been trousering our money without asking for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Have you seen the disabled people tying themselves to the railings outside parliament? Yes, very melodramatic. Youve missed the point. Im not accusing the disabled of being melodramatic, just your wild generalisations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 How and why would you ever "come across" a highly paid, say, investment banker asking you for cash? You don't read your e-mails? Seriously, I think he was getting at the "cash in hand" culture of the benefit cheats, to avoid paying their tax. Someting the wealthy don't do, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Larry Summers on 'the need to readjust one's moral compass' The people who worry about the deficit think they have a monopoly on morality in terms of how we care about our children, I am here to tell you from the point of view of my own children I am a lot more worried about bequeathing them no investments in the advancement of science, bequeathing them a vast bill for deferred maintenance, bequeathing them a starved public sector that no longer functions because of the attrition of all the most able civil servants than I am about bequeathing them “paper debt” which is accumulating interest at less than 1 per cent interest in real terms. Those liabilities from deferred maintenance, the costs grow a lot faster than 1-2 % in real terms if you let the problems fester. We’re going to have not only a better economy if we invest now, not just more output, in all likelihood we will have a better fisc. Thanks for telling us what some Yank economist says. And this is his own personal opinion about his priorities and good for him. If other people have different priorities, then that is their prerogative. It is also good to have an American perspective on the matter when they don't have an NHS, a different National Debt, different priorities to ours and different costs of borrowing probably too. But I believe that the mention of attrition of Civil Servants probably struck a chord with you, as you are one, aren't you? But why would the Yanks do away with the most able Civil Servants? Surely if economies are to be made on the bureaucracy, it makes sense to cut the less able of them and to address the over-manning that usually exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Never felt more ashamed of this country. An island lacking in sense & compassion, where right-wing propaganda is taken as fact. Sickening. Time to top up the food banks I guess, not much more that can be done until the riots. and the frothing at the mouth, bitter reactions keep on coming. Lefties showing themselves for what they really are. In five years time when the sky hasn't fallen in, will you be claiming otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 When you are making cuts and your immediate choice is to cut it from those that need it the most as opposed to your rich tax-avoiding mates then yes, you qualify as pretty bleedin nasty. So do the people who allow this to happen. That's why I think people should be ashamed of themselves right now. Do you really think you are going to persuade people to vote Labour with an attitude like that? You're beyond help, go and get some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 None of us will be here in five years hypo, the Tories will have culled us all for not being millionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I have a friend who is exactly like some of you on here and I just can't understand his perspective. Absolutely despised thatcher to the point that he had a party when she died ffs. Thinks it is now the end of the world and wouldn't even consider voting anyone else but labour no matter who was in power and no matter what they did and it seems to me that this come primarily from his parents who are both militant labour too. In that circumstance you might as well not vote if you are just going to vote for one party by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Where does Hypo fit into this pie chart? http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7241234?utm_hp_ref=tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Where does Hypo fit into this pie chart? http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7241234?utm_hp_ref=tw I note distraught feminist is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Never felt more ashamed of this country. An island lacking in sense & compassion, where right-wing propaganda is taken as fact. Sickening. Time to top up the food banks I guess, not much more that can be done until the riots. Ditto. Austerity will continue for all but the top 2% earners in this county, where they will continue to get richer. Cameron has played a blinder: - set/spread the fear of the Labour:SNP pact - put party politics before the country - put at risk UK membership of Europe. (my heart says leave Europe:my head says we have no choice but to stay) - put the Union at risk in a stake of party politics before the country - not taking part in the debates (other than one) he gave voice to the minority parties and thus spreading the vote. Labour play into Cameron's hands: - Milliband as leader - playing to central rather than tilting to the left - backing austerity plans - lack of honesty about the last time in office and over spending. Why didn't they just stick their hand up and admit they balls'ed up and over spent but hand learnt from mistakes Where have the values of the people gone. With the Tories in, it will be another 5 years of those at the top 'I'm okay jack' attitude while the others face the cost. I hope you know where you local food bank is. There need is set to grow even more. And for what it is worth I'm in the top 2% earners. Proud to be from Southampton Test - Labour Held. Proud to be living in Borough (Southwark) - Labour Gain Good luck it is going to be needed. Remember it will be those with least that will pay for austerity. Proud to be a lefty and care for others and not just myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 [emoji38] and the frothing at the mouth, bitter reactions keep on coming. Lefties showing themselves for what they really are. In five years time when the sky hasn't fallen in, will you be claiming otherwise? Hypo is right. Just silly reactions from some. The election is over, the result (FPTP issues notwithstanding) is conclusive. It might not be my ideal result but big politics is usually about increments and the changes to come will be within those increments, just not quite in the direction I'd want them to be. In the same way a Labour victory wouldn't have brought about some Michael Foot communist state, neither will this administration bring about turnstiles on hospital doors. Life goes on. Let's hope her Majesty's Opposition get themselves a competent compelling leader to hold the government to account, and begin to articulate a decent, progressive social democratic vision for a growing, better Britain into the roaring 2020s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I have a friend who is exactly like some of you on here and I just can't understand his perspective. Absolutely despised thatcher to the point that he had a party when she died ffs. Thinks it is now the end of the world and wouldn't even consider voting anyone else but labour no matter who was in power and no matter what they did and it seems to me that this come primarily from his parents who are both militant labour too. In that circumstance you might as well not vote if you are just going to vote for one party by default. I don't wish to persuade anyone....As said, you vote with whatever morals you have...if you have any. Oh why oh why could anyone hate Thatcher....it's a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Ditto. Austerity will continue for all but the top 2% earners in this county, where they will continue to get richer. Cameron has played a blinder: - set/spread the fear of the Labour:SNP pact - put party politics before the country - put at risk UK membership of Europe. (my heart says leave Europe:my head says we have no choice but to stay) - put the Union at risk in a stake of party politics before the country - not taking part in the debates (other than one) he gave voice to the minority parties and thus spreading the vote. Labour play into Cameron's hands: - Milliband as leader - playing to central rather than tilting to the left - backing austerity plans - lack of honesty about the last time in office and over spending. Why didn't they just stick their hand up and admit they balls'ed up and over spent but hand learnt from mistakes Where have the values of the people gone. With the Tories in, it will be another 5 years of those at the top 'I'm okay jack' attitude while the others face the cost. I hope you know where you local food bank is. There need is set to grow even more. And for what it is worth I'm in the top 2% earners. Proud to be from Southampton Test - Labour Held. Proud to be living in Borough (Southwark) - Labour Gain Good luck it is going to be needed. Remember it will be those with least that will pay for austerity. Proud to be a lefty and care for others and not just myself. Your final sentence is beyond pathetic. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 You would think the nazis have taken over going off some people. It is just the Tory party. Who are pretty moderate really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Your final sentence is beyond pathetic. Ridiculous. Thank you for your balanced appraisal and insight to mine and other peoples postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Hypo is right. Just silly reactions from some. The election is over, the result (FPTP issues notwithstanding) is conclusive. It might not be my ideal result but big politics is usually about increments and the changes to come will be within those increments, just not quite in the direction I'd want them to be. In the same way a Labour victory wouldn't have brought about some Michael Foot communist state, neither will this administration bring about turnstiles on hospital doors. Life goes on. Let's hope her Majesty's Opposition get themselves a competent compelling leader to hold the government to account, and begin to articulate a decent, progressive social democratic vision for a growing, better Britain into the roaring 2020s. Agree with that. Would be great to see labour with some half decent policies and an opposition worth voting for. Say what you like about Blair but he was electable and inspired people to vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Agree with that. Would be great to see labour with some half decent policies and an opposition worth voting for. Say what you like about Blair but he was electable and inspired people to vote for him. Agreed. But you should also understand that like these so-called "frothing at the mouth lefties" you are coming off as a gloating right-winger who's cheering a very narrow majority which will clearly spell a lot of pain and suffering for a great many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I note distraught feminist is missing. LOL. Nice try. I'm hardly distraught. As I said in my last post, Labour only have themselves to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Agreed. But you should also understand that like these so-called "frothing at the mouth lefties" you are coming off as a gloating right-winger who's cheering a very narrow majority which will clearly spell a lot of pain and suffering for a great many people. Jesus. You talk as if people will be rounded up in prison camps. This is the UK. Pretty soft on everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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