Saints plan £10m bid for Harry Kane

[Redslo]

Well it certainly worked well this summer all those who left where given loads of loyalty from saints fans yet couldn't wait to leave. Weirdly over the last few years those who least loved by saints fans , Like Tommy fourpast, seemed the happiest to stay:frown:

 

I think the players would like to see fan loyalty not just to themselves individual, but to their friends on the team. I doubt any Southampton player was happy about the way many fans treated Fox and Guly.

[simo]

I'd chuck in a derisory £5m bid similar to how spurs did with Morgan ! He can't stop scoring at and if poch won't start him as much as he thinks he should be he maybe up to moving!

[pap]

Been having a nose at the Spurs game. Been one of their stars. Takes people on. Gets in behind people. No idea if there is any validity in the interest, but he does seem like our kind of player.

[Badger]

Been having a nose at the Spurs game. Been one of their stars. Takes people on. Gets in behind people. No idea if there is any validity in the interest, but he does seem like our kind of player.

 

Won't happpen will it ?

 

Kane has been one of their few real success stories this season. Their fans would be in uproar if they sold him.

 

The next thing we'll read in the papers is how Poch, having not wanted to play him, has brought him on and given him his chance as he did with Shaw, JWP et al (conveniently forgetting it was NA who gave them debuts and showed faith in them first).

[pap]

I can't really see it happening, but Spurs, innit? They might have let Bale go for a fraction of what they eventually got for him when mad 'Arry was in charge.

 

They'd be mad to let him go, especially as he's playing his way into Premier League contention. The problem for them is the millions they've spent on players ahead of him. Flogging him will look better on the balance sheet than whatever they eventually offload their Bale buys for. Unlikely, but if it frees up Spurs to buy a player they really want, why not?

[Saint_clark]

Won't happpen will it ?

 

Kane has been one of their few real success stories this season. Their fans would be in uproar if they sold him.

 

The next thing we'll read in the papers is how Poch, having not wanted to play him, has brought him on and given him his chance as he did with Shaw, JWP et al (conveniently forgetting it was NA who gave them debuts and showed faith in them first).

 

I doubt it, Poch doesn't seem interested in talking about us to be fair. Redknapp is the one who tried to claim credit for Walcott and Bale.

[Professor]

Its worth remembering that the main purpose of The Sun is to act as a propaganda sheet for Rupert Murdoch's political views. Some readers may already have the same views as Murdoch but the objective of the paper is to try to convert others. To do that, it has to be bought by members of the public because a propaganda sheet has no value if no one reads it. So, it is filled with cheap, populist content, such as Page 3, stories about soap stars and sex or relationships, as well as football and sports stories that may cause people to pick it up to have a look. Truth doesn't matter because that isn't what the paper is about. They just want to get people to open it.

 

Am I cynical. You bet I am...... As for Kane, a non-story, and by the way, the Sun is also wrong in saying it's Koeman who handles transfers at Southampton. RK will be asked his opinion, but transfers are the responsibility of Les Reed.

[Leslie Charteris]

Its worth remembering that the main purpose of The Sun is to act as a propaganda sheet for Rupert Murdoch's political views. Some readers may already have the same views as Murdoch but the objective of the paper is to try to convert others. To do that, it has to be bought by members of the public because a propaganda sheet has no value if no one reads it. So, it is filled with cheap, populist content, such as Page 3, stories about soap stars and sex or relationships, as well as football and sports stories that may cause people to pick it up to have a look. Truth doesn't matter because that isn't what the paper is about. They just want to get people to open it..

 

On this, Prof, I agree completely. However, I can't see Spuds selling Kane anytime soon anymore than I can see us selling JRod. There again, if neither of them sign a contract extension...

[Redslo]

Won't happpen will it ?

 

Kane has been one of their few real success stories this season. Their fans would be in uproar if they sold him.

 

The next thing we'll read in the papers is how Poch, having not wanted to play him, has brought him on and given him his chance as he did with Shaw, JWP et al (conveniently forgetting it was NA who gave them debuts and showed faith in them first).

 

And we know a team would never sell a player if that might cause an uproar.

[Batman]

Kane is turning into a cracking player

[Giordano]

Jay Rod is interesting. It is difficult to see how he fits into Koemans formation with Pelle playing, apart from perhaps filling the wing role he was doing for England. Is he an out and out target man like Lambert was or Pelle is? I'm not sure. What I am sure of is he adds a lot, and Koeman will work out how best to use him.

 

1. Jrod's best form last season came when he had Rickie up front of him- NOT when he replaced Rickie. Running towards the centre from out wide, left or wide, was his trademark thing and for a while he was unplayable. Mane does that best for us in replacement at6 present.

2. Jrods best moments came when he ran past midfielders and attacked defenders with his direct pace ball control and strength, generally from between the half way line and the penalty area. He originally was a bit of a jigsaw player ( goes to pieces in the box) but finally managed to start putting away the chances and the opportunities that he quite often created for himself. Again - Mane does that best for us right now.

3. Jrod was also excellent at tracking back and marking from the front closing down defenders in the MOPO typical Southampton press style. Long does that best for us in that area.

4. IF jrod returns then he would probably displace either Mane or Long rather than any other attacking midfielder or centre forward. I doubt RK would waste too much time on seeing if Jrod "he could do a job at number 9" in place of Pelle because he is not that back to the goals kind of player.

 

If we have a weakness it is exactly that - without Pelle (or Rickie) our style of pla lacks ultimate end focus. That is why the Austin and Kane rumours exist because they are quite adjacent like for likes.

[JackanorySFC]

Its worth remembering that the main purpose of The Sun is to act as a propaganda sheet for Rupert Murdoch's political views. Some readers may already have the same views as Murdoch but the objective of the paper is to try to convert others. To do that, it has to be bought by members of the public because a propaganda sheet has no value if no one reads it. So, it is filled with cheap, populist content, such as Page 3, stories about soap stars and sex or relationships, as well as football and sports stories that may cause people to pick it up to have a look. Truth doesn't matter because that isn't what the paper is about. They just want to get people to open it.

 

Am I cynical. You bet I am...... As for Kane, a non-story, and by the way, the Sun is also wrong in saying it's Koeman who handles transfers at Southampton. RK will be asked his opinion, but transfers are the responsibility of Les Reed.

 

Absolute bo11ocks. I worked there for 9 years, the Sports desk has complete autonomy, no different to the broadsheets. Every transfer rumour story is supplied by an agent, family member, club source or the player themselves. Usually to get a bigger contract, pressure to start more games rather than actually getting a move. However every single transfer story has a source. To say it's made up is bang out of order, the Sports scribes spend decades building the contacts they have.

 

The Sports team have barely any contact with the Main News/ Features teams. The Sports Editor at the Sun is one of the most important people at News UK - as demonstrated when I saw Nicola Cortese visiting Mike Dunn (Sports Editor and Sun worker for about 30 years there, ie before Murdoch rocked up) in his Office to beg him to stop calling us "South Coast Club". Immediately after that meeting the stupid ban on photographers was lifted.

 

You're probably right about the stuff in the front half of the paper tbf.

[norwaysaint]

JRod's main threat was always his quick acceleration into the box, usually on the end of a pass from Lambert or Lallana, beating the last man. His closest equivalent now is probably Mane. I think JRod, if he retains his acceleration after the injury, would work very well together with Pelle and Tadic.

What we don't have is a like for like back up for Pelle. A reliable and strong bloke who can be counted on to hit the target when the ball lands at his feet or on his head in the area, but what club does have two players like that of his quality? We've only ever really had one at a time in recent years, Beattie, Rasiak, John, Lambert, etc.

[Batman]

Jay Rod is interesting. It is difficult to see how he fits into Koemans formation with Pelle playing, apart from perhaps filling the wing role he was doing for England. Is he an out and out target man like Lambert was or Pelle is? I'm not sure. What I am sure of is he adds a lot, and Koeman will work out how best to use him.

 

1. Jrod's best form last season came when he had Rickie up front of him- NOT when he replaced Rickie. Running towards the centre from out wide, left or wide, was his trademark thing and for a while he was unplayable. Mane does that best for us in replacement at6 present.

2. Jrods best moments came when he ran past midfielders and attacked defenders with his direct pace ball control and strength, generally from between the half way line and the penalty area. He originally was a bit of a jigsaw player ( goes to pieces in the box) but finally managed to start putting away the chances and the opportunities that he quite often created for himself. Again - Mane does that best for us right now.

3. Jrod was also excellent at tracking back and marking from the front closing down defenders in the MOPO typical Southampton press style. Long does that best for us in that area.

4. IF jrod returns then he would probably displace either Mane or Long rather than any other attacking midfielder or centre forward. I doubt RK would waste too much time on seeing if Jrod "he could do a job at number 9" in place of Pelle because he is not that back to the goals kind of player.

 

If we have a weakness it is exactly that - without Pelle (or Rickie) our style of pla lacks ultimate end focus. That is why the Austin and Kane rumours exist because they are quite adjacent like for likes.

 

Jrod is not an out and out target.

He was superb last season playing as a left sided forward. More than likely a shoot out to with mane

 

If jrod gets to anything like last season, he will be a starter.

[pap]

Absolute bo11ocks. I worked there for 9 years, the Sports desk has complete autonomy, no different to the broadsheets. Every transfer rumour story is supplied by an agent, family member, club source or the player themselves. Usually to get a bigger contract, pressure to start more games rather than actually getting a move. However every single transfer story has a source. To say it's made up is bang out of order, the Sports scribes spend decades building the contacts they have.

 

The Sports team have barely any contact with the Main News/ Features teams. The Sports Editor at the Sun is one of the most important people at News UK - as demonstrated when I saw Nicola Cortese visiting Mike Dunn (Sports Editor and Sun worker for about 30 years there, ie before Murdoch rocked up) in his Office to beg him to stop calling us "South Coast Club". Immediately after that meeting the stupid ban on photographers was lifted.

 

You're probably right about the stuff in the front half of the paper tbf.

 

I've got a mate that buys the Sun. None of my mates are thickos; I don't suffer fools. He backs up everything you said about the Sports section of the Sun. Says it's the only reason he buys it.

[Saint_Abroad]

Absolute bo11ocks. I worked there for 9 years, the Sports desk has complete autonomy, no different to the broadsheets. Every transfer rumour story is supplied by an agent, family member, club source or the player themselves. Usually to get a bigger contract, pressure to start more games rather than actually getting a move. However every single transfer story has a source. To say it's made up is bang out of order, the Sports scribes spend decades building the contacts they have.

 

The Sports team have barely any contact with the Main News/ Features teams. The Sports Editor at the Sun is one of the most important people at News UK - as demonstrated when I saw Nicola Cortese visiting Mike Dunn (Sports Editor and Sun worker for about 30 years there, ie before Murdoch rocked up) in his Office to beg him to stop calling us "South Coast Club". Immediately after that meeting the stupid ban on photographers was lifted.

 

You're probably right about the stuff in the front half of the paper tbf.

 

Not trying to sound pedantic but wouldn't that still be a made up story?

[Saint Rees]

JRod's main threat was always his quick acceleration into the box, usually on the end of a pass from Lambert or Lallana, beating the last man. His closest equivalent now is probably Mane. I think JRod, if he retains his acceleration after the injury, would work very well together with Pelle and Tadic.

What we don't have is a like for like back up for Pelle. A reliable and strong bloke who can be counted on to hit the target when the ball lands at his feet or on his head in the area, but what club does have two players like that of his quality? We've only ever really had one at a time in recent years, Beattie, Rasiak, John, Lambert, etc.

 

I think he will be eased into the team to play on that left side and cutting in like we are used to from last season, with Pelle in the middle and Tadic on the right. I think he could also be used as a Pelle back up and have Tadic/Long/Mane either side of him, and I also think Long and Gallagher will be used as back ups for him as well. Its great to finally have so many good options all over the pitch apart from GK perhaps

[Saint_Ash]

Not trying to sound pedantic but wouldn't that still be a made up story?

 

But not made up by the paper I think is the point. They probably print stuff they know is false but that doesn't matter if they have been told by their contact as they are just passing it on then.

[Batman]

Not trying to sound pedantic but wouldn't that still be a made up story?

 

But not made up by the papers,

[The9]

So says Tuesday's Sun

 

Thoughts?

 

Absolutely no way Spurs are selling the kid who's scored 10 in 13 for them this season (albeit mostly on Thursdays). The Spurs fans are screaming out for him to start in the Premier League at the moment and they'd want way more than £10m, we'd probably be paying at least £18m with a load of add-ons to be prising him away. But I think he's only interested in establishing himself at Spurs for now.

[Bearsy]

Well no, but it's good for trolling Spurs bros. We should leak story to BBC like they did when they was "definitely signing" Morgan + JRod

[angelman]

Well no, but it's good for trolling Spurs bros. We should leak story to BBC like they did when they was "definitely signing" Morgan + JRod

 

Apart from Kane, who would you take?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Apart from Kane, who would you take?

 

Lloris!

[Bearsy]

Apart from Kane, who would you take?

 

I think Lloris + Lamela + Erikson would improve our first XI. They have a lot of other bros that would be useful in the squad tho.

 

Why? Have you got INFO bout a spurs FIRESALE??? That would be IRONY for PONCH!

[Professor]

Absolute bo11ocks. I worked there for 9 years, the Sports desk has complete autonomy, no different to the broadsheets. Every transfer rumour story is supplied by an agent, family member, club source or the player themselves. Usually to get a bigger contract, pressure to start more games rather than actually getting a move. However every single transfer story has a source. To say it's made up is bang out of order, the Sports scribes spend decades building the contacts they have.

 

The Sports team have barely any contact with the Main News/ Features teams. The Sports Editor at the Sun is one of the most important people at News UK - as demonstrated when I saw Nicola Cortese visiting Mike Dunn (Sports Editor and Sun worker for about 30 years there, ie before Murdoch rocked up) in his Office to beg him to stop calling us "South Coast Club". Immediately after that meeting the stupid ban on photographers was lifted.

 

You're probably right about the stuff in the front half of the paper tbf.

Sorry JackanorySFC, obviously hit a raw nerve. I accept what you say about the sports pages because obviously you know better but is it not still the case that overall editorial control determines how much space is to be used for a populist approach to sport and that only a minority of the 'predictions' of football transfers actually happen?

[Bearsy]

They probably print stuff they know is false

 

despicable imo. What a dumb industry

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Sorry JackanorySFC, obviously hit a raw nerve. I accept what you say about the sports pages because obviously you know better but is it not still the case that overall editorial control determines how much space is to be used for a populist approach to sport and that only a minority of the 'predictions' of football transfers actually happen?

 

I can't comment on JackanorySFC, but a good friend of mine was previously a sports writer at Daily Mail - he tells is a similar story that the sports desk is totally independent to the rest of the paper - and he never saw any pressure to fit the overall narrative of the paper. I also made accusations about stories being falsified and again, his responses were pretty similar to those given. They can actually get into trouble for printing stories that are demonstrably false/made up (though this is obviously hard to prove).

 

He said many similar things that a lot of the stories are indeed brinksmanship - angling for new contracts, more playing time etc., also often attempts to flush out potential interest, or to pressure other targets(/or their clubs - i.e. Saints want to sign player x, but player x is messing around - so saints put out a story about being close to signing player y) and myriad other reasons. He also told me that actually, getting transfers over the line is effing hard for many clubs so often the stories are true but for one of countless reasons the deals just don't happen. Clubs often have areas they wish to strengthen and will actively seek a number of players to fill gaps in that position.

 

Sorry, I know this was unsolicited and I don't mean to 'sea lion' - but I did hold a similar view to you but feel reasonably assured that what my friends tells me is close to the truth.

[JackanorySFC]

Sorry JackanorySFC, obviously hit a raw nerve. I accept what you say about the sports pages because obviously you know better but is it not still the case that overall editorial control determines how much space is to be used for a populist approach to sport and that only a minority of the 'predictions' of football transfers actually happen?

 

No worries, part of my leaving package was defending Murdoch and his investments at any possible moment via any possile medium . You're absolutely right though, hardly any go though but completing a transfer is an incredibly complicated process (despite how simple 'Arry makes it out to be). The one's which almost never come off are the player swap deals, seriously only a handful have ever happened but get speculated upon all the time. However the amount of time agents spend trying to get their players a pay rise/ move (which ever one is more profitable to them 10% wise) and clubs spend fighting agent's fires is lapped up by the press. Not going to say Sports writers expect the deals to happen, but are within their rights to publish a story linking X player to X club if they've been informed directly by a club, player, agent etc.

 

TBF the public lap it up too, hence the mental exposure transfer deadline day gets these days! I wasn't on the Sports desk (still have mates that are though), but was involved in the page lay out etc, Sport ALWAYS need more space, they have enough stories to take up every page and some, stuff gets dropped every day. Certainly no need for "filler" articles. Only way they get more space is by upping the book by 4 pages, 2 to sport, 1 to news/ features editorial but the extra page must go to advertising and needs a minimum yield of £20k to pay for the PIP "paper, ink and petrol" when printing nearly 3m copies. Not easy to get last minute when Sports are asking for more space!

 

FWIW my take on the Harry Kane link is either the player or his agent using the link to Saints to generate a groundswell of opinion that Kane should stay, should start oh, and get a new, long term and very lucrative contract. If not Saints could be interested thus starting a bidding war for the blue eyed academy boy.

[JackanorySFC]

I can't comment on JackanorySFC, but a good friend of mine was previously a sports writer at Daily Mail - he tells is a similar story that the sports desk is totally independent to the rest of the paper - and he never saw any pressure to fit the overall narrative of the paper. I also made accusations about stories being falsified and again, his responses were pretty similar to those given. They can actually get into trouble for printing stories that are demonstrably false/made up (though this is obviously hard to prove).

 

He said many similar things that a lot of the stories are indeed brinksmanship - angling for new contracts, more playing time etc., also often attempts to flush out potential interest, or to pressure other targets(/or their clubs - i.e. Saints want to sign player x, but player x is messing around - so saints put out a story about being close to signing player y) and myriad other reasons. He also told me that actually, getting transfers over the line is effing hard for many clubs so often the stories are true but for one of countless reasons the deals just don't happen. Clubs often have areas they wish to strengthen and will actively seek a number of players to fill gaps in that position.

 

Sorry, I know this was unsolicited and I don't mean to 'sea lion' - but I did hold a similar view to you but feel reasonably assured that what my friends tells me is close to the truth.

 

The Mail Sports desk is a very good example actually. Paul Dacre runs the news department with an iron fist but leaves Sport to take care of themselves. A few really do cringe when first introduced to someone and telling them they write for the Mail. However they have a really good sports desk and complete autonomy (same as the Sun).

 

The amount of calls agents/ clubs (Man United have certain NW based reporters completely in their pockets for unsettling players for example) put into their press contacts is genuinely shocking! Football Agent regulation seriously needs looking in to, that is a thread for another topic though.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

FWIW my take on the Harry Kane link is either the player or his agent using the link to Saints to generate a groundswell of opinion that Kane should stay, should start oh, and get a new, long term and very lucrative contract. If not Saints could be interested thus starting a bidding war for the blue eyed academy boy.

 

This seems pretty plausible to me.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kane was indeed a target (personally think he'd be a good signing - though perhaps not that likely), which in turn may be used to fan the flames a bit.

[Turkish]

So has it just been confirmed that all the never ending lazy lying scumbag journos accusations lodged against anyone who says anything that isn't 100% positive is in fact a load of horsesh it?

[Batman]

if only this was true and it came off

 

damn papers