farawaysaint Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 (edited) ... Edited 23 October, 2014 by farawaysaint Trousers on Sunderland thread
Jonnyboy Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/southampton-react-premier-leagues-dubious-4494179 I don't get this.
Colinjb Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 (edited) Quite simply. That is ******** Edited 23 October, 2014 by Colinjb
Bearsy Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Jonnyboy said: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/southampton-react-premier-leagues-dubious-4494179 I don't get this. I lol'd at the picture of Mane trying to do a "thumbs up". I dunno if that was the joke tho!
lifeintheslowlane Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Yeah just what I thought...8 lucky goals.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 I posted this on the match thread: Absolutely ridiculous decision. I said earlier that Mané was aiming for the other side of the goal but there's no way that was an own goal. His shot was on target and it deflected off the defender's attempted block. Somebody needs to teach these idiots how football works. Does this now mean that every time a shot gets a nick off a defender it's going to be classed as an own goal? Pillocks.
Batman Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 WTF....if anything, it was a deflection??? how odd
hasper57saint Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 As I posted yesterday.If the goalie palms a shot into the net is it an own goal? P b ollocks!
Bobbyboy Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 So three own goals, a giveaway from their keeper, should've been a penalty that would obviously have changed the game and Sunderland would have gone on to win comfortably. Ok. Happy for the press and the rest of the world to believe that. The longer we stay under the radar the better.
Saint-scooby Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 krap angle but looks ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINFA8YC_fA Anyone got better views
Dark Munster Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 So a hat trick for Owen Goal. Brenda will definitely try to swoop for him in January.
Saints foreva Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Dark Munster said: So a hat trick for Owen Goal. Brenda will definitely try to swoop for him in January. Keep up, he already scored twice for Liverpool on Sunday!
Mowgli Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 FFS you might as well give Cork's goal as og. I am sure the keeper touched it last.
Mr X Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 ive paused it several times and still cant see why its not a valid goal for mane
cellone Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Was it the championship season that almost every goal we got was 'gifted' to us?
John Boy Saint Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 The Dubious Goals panel must be based in a retirement home for decrepit old referees................... that is barking mad. Obviously the beginning of the lets put Southampton back in their place campaign, by the Football Hierarchy.
SaintTex Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Mr X said: ive paused it several times and still cant see why its not a valid goal for maneThis. You have got to be kidding me? This is a joke, right? The Sunderland defender didn't even touch it. Are my eyes deceiving me?
S-Clarke Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 This goal wasn't even dubious at the time, nor was it in dispute as to who the goal scorer was. I thought those were the criteria that any goal needed to meet before it was put under these experts noses? Why have they wasted their time to look at this, i assume, over and over and over again to make an own goal out of it? Obviously no one has it in for us, but things like this sometimes make you wonder.....
scotty Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Utter nonsense. That was Manès goal. Why anyone would claim otherwise is beyond me.
Ajv2809 Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 scotty said: Utter nonsense. That was Manès goal. Why anyone would claim otherwise is beyond me. This. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
SaintTex Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 SaintTex said: This. You have got to be kidding me? This is a joke, right? The Sunderland defender didn't even touch it. Are my eyes deceiving me?OK, I just saw the first re-play after the goal (the camera angle from behind the net), and I will concede it does look like the Sunderland defender poked it in. but still, come on.
ericofarabia Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 S-Clarke said: This goal wasn't even dubious at the time, nor was it in dispute as to who the goal scorer was. I thought those were the criteria that any goal needed to meet before it was put under these experts noses? Why have they wasted their time to look at this, i assume, over and over and over again to make an own goal out of it? Obviously no one has it in for us, but things like this sometimes make you wonder..... I wonder if they realise it was the Pelle / OG that was the one needing a review? I'm guessing that there is no form of appeal available? Why was it even reviewed in the 1st place - I didn't see one hint in the numerous newspaper reports (and I ploughed through just about everyone of them!!)that it wasn't Mane's goal. Would love to hear the defenders opinion of what happened.
John Boy Saint Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 I bet Patrick Van Aanholt is chuffed to bits with that on top of his share of the £65,000 money back to the fans.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 ericofarabia said: I wonder if they realise it was the Pelle / OG that was the one needing a review? I'm guessing that there is no form of appeal available? Why was it even reviewed in the 1st place - I didn't see one hint in the numerous newspaper reports (and I ploughed through just about everyone of them!!)that it wasn't Mane's goal. Would love to hear the defenders opinion of what happened. It's clear as daylight that Mane is aiming for the right of the goal and the ball deflects in off Van Aanholt's outstretched foot. His shot is on target so what's the problem? They can't seriously think that Van Aanholt's gets there ahead of Sadio, can they?
Saint In Exile Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Even the BBC match report has been updated to show it as an own goal now!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29580147
sentry Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 JOKE! I cant stand own goals. Obviously is if the a player kicks it in then fine, but a striker kicking the ball at the gaol (on target or not) he forces the error. If a defender sticks out a leg to try to stop the shot should he be to blame just casue it deflects in? Crazy. ALSO .... the FA and FIFA etc use video evidence to award own goals and cr@p like that but dont use it to fine players for diving or assults. Football needs a good look at itself sometimes.
Jonnyboy Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Bearsy said: I lol'd at the picture of Mane trying to do a "thumbs up". I dunno if that was the joke tho! Yeah not sure if the Mirror is laughing at Saints, or if Saints are laughing at Premier league, or if everyone is laughing at Mane?
The9 Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Mr X said: ive paused it several times and still cant see why its not a valid goal for mane For it to be classed as an own goal the ball must have been initially going wide OR its forward momentum towards the goal must have been stopped. I've never yet seen an OG classed as such if the ball is on target. So they have to have decided that Mane's original contact was going wide (to the other side of the goal), and having watched it about 10 times on slow-mo from various angles, there is absolutely no way they can tell where Mane's shot was going without using some kind of super-slow-mo video technology. But the main point is that I don't think anyone in the ground (including Mane and Van Aanholt) even considered that it was actually an own goal. So why even bother judging on it? It's not like the defender WANTS the OG. It's even crapper than taking Dodd's Skate corner off him and giving it to Pasanen who headed it off the bar into the net from the post, or Egil's hat-trick against Man U.
Mattio Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Jonnyboy said: Yeah not sure if the Mirror is laughing at Saints, or if Saints are laughing at Premier league, or if everyone is laughing at Mane?Saints posted it in reply to the FA's tweet telling us the goal was given as an OG
Danger Mouse Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Saint In Exile said: Even the BBC match report has been updated to show it as an own goal now!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29580147 Although they forgot to update the write-up... "It was another Sunderland donation but Tadic continued to show little mercy as he fed Wanyama who smashed home from 12 yards and then set up Mane for his first goal in English football. "
Gorgiesaint Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Hopefully this'll put Mane in the mood to get a hat-trick on Saturday!
Under Weststand Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Ridiculous decision, just watched it back again from several angles. How anyone can decide it's an own goal is beyond me. As said above for an own goal you have to know the original shot was off target, how the hell can they decide that? When the original shot was defected by a desperate lunge from the defender about six inches after it left Mane's boot, Does that now mean that every single deflection is an own goal?
SNSUN Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Rewatched MOTD. That is Manés goal all day long. Ridiculous decision from the dubious goals panel. Still, maybe it'll fire Mané up to score more. Ostenstadt's third against United still rankles. I still think he should've had a hat trick in the 6-3.
Professor Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Surely the goal credited to Tadic should also be an own goal because Mannone's kick just bounced off Dusan's foot and into the net.
Saint_clark Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 That's the worst decision i've ever seen in relation to football.
adrian lord Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Mean spirited, almost vindictive decision. Bumch of carnts.
JakkoUK Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 Seems anal to rule this goal out. Like already stated, no-body in the ground or re-watching on motd even considered that to be an own goal.
Redslo Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 This decision only makes sense if the Dubious Goals people think the original shot was off target. Is there a definitive angle on this posted anywhere on the internets?
Kingsland Codger Posted 23 October, 2014 Posted 23 October, 2014 So does that mean Noble's goal for WHU against us earlier this season should be changed to an OG by Yoshida?
andoru Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Wait for them to do the same for Cork's goal next. Then it'll be four own goals, and a shot into an empty net after a mistake by the keeper. They'll be saying we only scored three on our own.
Gemmel Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Just watched again on iplayer- simply a bizarre decision. But another complaint ..... which was dished up by some other journos on twitter after the game and by Jonathan pearce on match of the day after Mane's goal. This wasn't Southampton biggest win after the 6 - 3 win over Man Utd with the grey shirt nonsense - The grey shirts was the 3 -1 win.....don't mind the tabloids getting things so wrong, but the BBC? http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04mm14d/match-of-the-day-20142015-18102014
davefoggy Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Yeah i thought that too about the grey shirts but assumed my memory was going, thanks for clearing that up. Own goal decision utterly crazy
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Utter nonsense to award this as an own goal. Can we refer this to the dubious decisions panel? Either that, or someone sent in a clip of the wrong goal when we were wanted the Bridcutt own goal re-considered!
Saint Troy Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Couldn't agree more about the terrible priorities - how we don't look at diving etc but can voter with this is pathetic Also, and possibly more importantly, does this mean Tadic no longer has the joint assist record???? This would be crazy if true
Sour Mash Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 The9 said: For it to be classed as an own goal the ball must have been initially going wide OR its forward momentum towards the goal must have been stopped. I've never yet seen an OG classed as such if the ball is on target. So they have to have decided that Mane's original contact was going wide (to the other side of the goal), and having watched it about 10 times on slow-mo from various angles, there is absolutely no way they can tell where Mane's shot was going without using some kind of super-slow-mo video technology. But the main point is that I don't think anyone in the ground (including Mane and Van Aanholt) even considered that it was actually an own goal. So why even bother judging on it? It's not like the defender WANTS the OG. It's even crapper than taking Dodd's Skate corner off him and giving it to Pasanen who headed it off the bar into the net from the post, or Egil's hat-trick against Man U. Agreed, ridiculous decision, just odd. I take it there has been a decision on Pelle's goal as well?
Saint86 Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 Under Weststand said: Ridiculous decision, just watched it back again from several angles. How anyone can decide it's an own goal is beyond me. As said above for an own goal you have to know the original shot was off target, how the hell can they decide that? When the original shot was defected by a desperate lunge from the defender about six inches after it left Mane's boot, Does that now mean that every single deflection is an own goal? I honestly do think this smacks of a "lets beat on Southampton's parade, and keep them in their place" sort of attitude. It really makes you wonder at any rate.
trousers Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 The defender's foot did deflect the ball but I understood the 'rules' were that they (the 'dubious goal panel') had to be 100% certain that the ball wouldn't have gone in the back of the net without the defender's intervention. Looking at the replay footage, I can't see how anyone could be "100% certain" that the ball wouldn't have gone in, which would tend to suggest that maybe I/we don't understand the rules that the panel are duty bound to abide by. Perhaps they don't have to be "100% certain" and are allowed to use their discretion and/or an element of probability or gut feel? Does anyone know for sure what "rules" the panel are instructed to adhere to? That said, I still think its harsh to deny Mane the goal, whatever the rules might say.
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 October, 2014 Posted 24 October, 2014 trousers said: The defender's foot did deflect the ball but I understood the 'rules' were that they (the 'dubious goal panel') had to be 100% certain that the ball wouldn't have gone in the back of the net without the defender's intervention. Looking at the replay footage, I can't see how anyone could be "100% certain" that the ball wouldn't have gone in, which would tend to suggest that maybe I/we don't understand the rules that the panel are duty bound to abide by. Perhaps they don't have to be "100% certain" and are allowed to use their discretion and/or an element of probability or gut feel? Does anyone know for sure what "rules" the panel are instructed to adhere to? That said, I still think its harsh to deny Mane the goal, whatever the rules might say. From 2006 but I don't think the criterion has changed: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/aug/23/theknowledge.sport "As a rule, if the initial attempt is goalbound it is credited to the player making the goal attempt," explained a Premier League spokesman. "However if the deflection means that a wayward effort results in a goal then it is attributed to the player who had the last definitive touch of the ball."
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