Pelle disappointed

[9-3]

After match interview said he was disappointed on his performance today and could have done a lot better.

Speaks volumes.

[farawaysaint]

He has said that after almost all his games (including his national debut). Absurdly high standards

[cellone]

Damn right, needs to improve

[Whitey Grandad]

Wasteful today, I thought

[Saint_clark]

Koeman also saying he was "in shock" - not because of the score line, but because of how bad we were in the first 20 minutes! Incredible.

[Andy Durman]

Both Koeman And Pelle are correct. We weren't the best side in the first 20 minutes. Pelle missed a lot of good chances today. I think the scoreline flatters us. We got an awful lot of luck today. Clear penalty and sending off of Forster was pivotal to the result. On another day we might have lost this match.

[Turkish]

Both Koeman And Pelle are correct. We weren't the best side in the first 20 minutes. Pelle missed a lot of good chances today. I think the scoreline flatters us. We got an awful lot of luck today. Clear penalty and sending off of Forster was pivotal to the result. On another day we might have lost this match.

 

It wasn't a penalty or sending off, the ref got it right, the ball had gone and was already going wide. Maybe fletcher should look at his awful first touch. Yes we had luck, but so do most teams who win by that sort of scoreline.

Edited 19 October, 2014 by Turkish

[Dellman]

No penalty! The ref was right, the ball had gone when the two collided. I thought we had some bad luck or it would have been 10. I'm not biased or anything

[musesaint]

Both Koeman And Pelle are correct. We weren't the best side in the first 20 minutes. Pelle missed a lot of good chances today. I think the scoreline flatters us. We got an awful lot of luck today. Clear penalty and sending off of Forster was pivotal to the result. On another day we might have lost this match.

 

The Forster incident was right in front of where we were sitting and was NOT a penalty...in a million years. The Sunderland players didn't complain to any great extent ...though Poyet predictably did. Andre Marriner got that decision spot on which is exactly why he is one of the best and most consistent refs in the Premier League

[simo]

Any chance of the dubious goals panel awarding him the second own goal and him getting a hatrick?

[paulwantsapint]

If pelle puts more power into the shot there is no way he only gets a brace, oh well he will know next time blast the ball get the hatrick

[Plastic]

I know we have all seen this, but how could his quality have ever been in doubt after stats like these...

 

Pelle scored 27 goals in 29 league appearances in the 2012/13 season, leading Koeman to sign him permanently.

 

Pelle returned Koeman with another 23 goals in 28 appearances last season, leaving his overall Feyenoord tally at 55 goals in 66 appearances.

 

Furthermore, his outstanding total left Pelle with the record for the most goals scored by an Italian in a foreign league during a single season.

 

Pelle eclipsed the goalscoring exploits of Luca Toni at Bayern Munich and Christian Vieri at Atletico Madrid.

 

http://www.givemesport.com/485223-ronald-koeman-lures-graziano-pelle-to-southampton

[angelman]

At half time, 3-2 would not have been out of the question. And then the first 5-10 minutes of the second half we were still in the dressing room.

[suewhistle]

Yes, it would be good to have a good start to a game occasionally and improve our finishing and increase both our points total and goal difference. Playing Sunderland every week might get boring though.

[Whitey Grandad]

My Chrome browser insists on translating everything it can so the title appears as 'Skin Disappointed' instead of Pelle

[CB Saint]

It wasn't a penalty or sending off, the ref got it right, the ball had gone and was already going wide. Maybe fletcher should look at his awful first touch. Yes we had luck, but so do most teams who win by that sort of scoreline.

 

Definitely not a sending off for the reason that you state, but it was a foul, and because it was in the penalty area, it was a penalty. So the ball had gone, fine, it is an off ball incident which had it happened anywhere else on the pitch, would have been pinged.

[Ewell]

Definitely not a sending off for the reason that you state, but it was a foul, and because it was in the penalty area, it was a penalty. So the ball had gone, fine, it is an off ball incident which had it happened anywhere else on the pitch, would have been pinged.

 

Spot on, some people just don't know the rules.

[sadoldgit]

We have just won eight nil. A penalty wasn't awarded and Forster wasn't sent off. Why worry?

[Sour Mash]

The Forster incident was right in front of where we were sitting and was NOT a penalty...in a million years. The Sunderland players didn't complain to any great extent ...though Poyet predictably did. Andre Marriner got that decision spot on which is exactly why he is one of the best and most consistent refs in the Premier League

I'd suggest you watch the game back, the Sunderland players quite rightly went mental at the ref, as it was definitely a pen.

[sadoldgit]

Refs decision is final guys!

[TwoPints]

I must admit, I never even considered it being a penalty at the time from my position in the Chapel. I thought Forster stopped before Fletcher hit him and it was Fletcher who ran into the stationary Forster (although he couldn't do anything else). However, looking at it on TV, you couldn't really complain if a penalty had been given but I'd agree it wasn't a sending off. I thought Forster could have dived on the ball and reached it with his hands from his starting position to be honest. Anyway, that aside we were superb, they were **** but they were brilliant from a comedic viewpoint.

[Whitey Grandad]

Spot on, some people just don't know the rules.

 

Are you including a top FA official in that list?

[Kingsland Red]

What else could Forster have done, he came off his line to block the shot, such that Fletcher had to move the ball in another direction to get it past him.

Job done !

[Saints foreva]

I'd suggest you watch the game back, the Sunderland players quite rightly went mental at the ref, as it was definitely a pen.

 

Fletcher didn't seem to make a big deal of it.

[Norm]

His comment to me after the game, " I hope I do better against Stoke!". (True)

[Scummer]

What else could Forster have done, he came off his line to block the shot, such that Fletcher had to move the ball in another direction to get it past him.

Job done !

 

Agreed. The goalie has to come off his line in that situation, therefore some sort of collision is inevitable. If we're saying that if the goalkeeper doesn't get the ball it's a penalty, all the attacker needs to do every time is make sure they get it past the keeper with no need to worry about getting the shot on target. Forster did his job.

[Whitey Grandad]

Fletcher didn't seem to make a big deal of it.

 

To his credit.

[Fan The Flames]

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

 

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
  
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
  
• jumps at an opponent
  
• charges an opponent
  
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
  
• pushes an opponent
  
• tackles an opponent
  

 

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#7bEufmioyeWFEC7M.99

 

So the ref clearly thought that Forster was neither careless, reckless or using excessive force, thems the rules.

[Minty]

Anyway, back to Pelle, I love his attitude... both he and Tadic seem incredibly grounded, grateful to be playing at the level they now find themselves, and always striving to do better. Ego seems to be almost completely absent and I'm sure playing for Koeman is a key part of that as he too seems very balanced, always focused on the next game, and similar to one of Adkins' key phrases 'never too high when we win, never too low when we lose'.

 

It's the kind of phils(h)ophy that will take us much further as a team, than if we were just a collection of individual players.

[Danger Mouse]

Kind of embarrassing to see people claiming it was never a penalty. He missed the ball and tripped the player.

 

Luckily for us, the ref made a mistake.

[Whitey Grandad]

Kind of embarrassing to see people claiming it was never a penalty. He missed the ball and tripped the player.

 

Luckily for us, the ref made a mistake.

 

Well I'm not embarrassed. This was a top-level experienced referee with a very close call to make and he decided not to award a penalty. Fletcher wasn't tripped by Forster, he tried to avoid him by somersaulting over his crouched body. Forster had stopped before Fletcher got there.

[david in sweden]

Well I'm not embarrassed. This was a top-level experienced referee with a very close call to make and he decided not to award a penalty. Fletcher wasn't tripped by Forster, he tried to avoid him by somersaulting over his crouched body. Forster had stopped before Fletcher got there.

 

.........GOOD ! I was wondering what YOUR reaction would be " Whitey" (from the refereeing viewpoint). But whilst nearly everyone seemed to be " shouting penalty", I noticed that Fletcher had already played the ball ......before the collision with Forster....(as seen in replays). ..and what person (running at speed)... wouldn't fall over when colliding with a 6' 8" giant.

 

Interestingly, I didn't see Fletcher appeal himself, but it was his team-mates making all the noise, and screaming at the ref..

[david in sweden]

Anyway, back to Pelle, I love his attitude... both he and Tadic seem incredibly grounded, grateful to be playing at the level they now find themselves, and always striving to do better. Ego seems to be almost completely absent and I'm sure playing for Koeman is a key part of that as he too seems very balanced, always focused on the next game, and similar to one of Adkins' key phrases 'never too high when we win, never too low when we lose'.

 

It's the kind of philos(h)ophy that will take us much further as a team, than if we were just a collection of individual players.

 

 

Exactly my thoughts when looking at those " marathons spenders" at Liverpool and Man.Utd. Lots of expensive " individuals ", but not much sign of real team-work, hence THEIR results, so far.

[Danger Mouse]

Well I'm not embarrassed. This was a top-level experienced referee with a very close call to make and he decided not to award a penalty. Fletcher wasn't tripped by Forster, he tried to avoid him by somersaulting over his crouched body. Forster had stopped before Fletcher got there.

 

I'd invite you to watch the replay again http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/10/premier-league-2014-2015-bbc-match-of_19.html (at 11:40-ish)

 

There is clear contact. That's all there is to it. Whether Fraser Forster was sliding along or moving in any way or not is irrelevant, his foot was raised, it made contact with the other player without getting to the ball... it's a foul.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'd invite you to watch the replay again http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/10/premier-league-2014-2015-bbc-match-of_19.html (at 11:40-ish)

 

There is clear contact. That's all there is to it. Whether Fraser Forster was sliding along or moving in any way or not is irrelevant, his foot was raised, it made contact with the other player without getting to the ball... it's a foul.

 

I just have - after much juggling to get past all the padding - and it's not even clear if there is any contact, but it is totally irrelevant whether or not there has been any contact despite what all the commendators and pundits might tell you. It's not a foul to touch another player and it may be a foul even if you don't. It's not enough for a forward to run at another player and then touch them with his toe and go flying in a spectacular attempt to convince the referee that there has been a foul. Many referees will expect the attacker to make some genuine attempt to avoid the other player. Was Forster's touch (if any) enough to send a 6 foot athlete into a somersault? Had Fletcher hurdled Forster would he have reached the ball? Was he tripped or did he trip over? These are all the questions that have to be considered before reaching a decision. Forster's position was not unnatural for a goalkeeper trying to block a forward's shot. Some might have given it, others wouldn't. On this occasion we had the benefit of the doubt. All that you can ask of a referee is that he has consistent levels throughout the game of what constitutes a foul.