For those who are serious about their history

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If anyone is interested David Bull is doing a lecture on World War One and its effect on Southampton FC and their players, this Wednesday at the Winchester Discovery Centre.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141009-southampton-fc-and-the-great-war-2006844.aspx

[Saint Billy]

Out of interest and unrelated to above, my first job was working at Holt & Haskells in the early 70's and I have recently looked up Arthur Holt on google and what a sporting history he had. Saints player and Hants cricketer with the Pavilion named after him at the Rose Bowl.

 

Being young at the time I never really thought about his achievements and he rarely spoke of them as well.

 

He was a lovely guy along with Mr Haskell especially when you consider that I was sick in their office one xmas and they were complete gents about it.

 

I met alot of sporting heroes whilst I was there, too numerous to mention, but what an experience for a kid and one I will never forget.

 

Did you know them Duncan?

[tpbury]

Interesting to see that there's 12 year olds going to Ypres - very impressed, in fact. For those 40ish it is the same as learning about the Boer war, I guess. That is, a long way back in time.

 

I hope and suppose all the clubs will be doing something similar.

 

I'm glad that Duncan et al are welcomed back at the club!

[Whitey Grandad]

Interesting to see that there's 12 year olds going to Ypres - very impressed, in fact. For those 40ish it is the same as learning about the Boer war, I guess. That is, a long way back in time.

 

I hope and suppose all the clubs will be doing something similar.

 

I'm glad that Duncan et al are welcomed back at the club!

 

It's always important to remember where we came from and the impact that our recent past has had on our community.

 

The Boer War is not that far back, my wife's grandfather was a cavalryman in it!

[Ohio Saint]

It's always important to remember where we came from and the impact that our recent past has had on our community.

 

The Boer War is not that far back, my wife's grandfather was a cavalryman in it!

 

Michael Caine?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Out of interest and unrelated to above, my first job was working at Holt & Haskells in the early 70's and I have recently looked up Arthur Holt on google and what a sporting history he had. Saints player and Hants cricketer with the Pavilion named after him at the Rose Bowl.

 

Being young at the time I never really thought about his achievements and he rarely spoke of them as well.

 

He was a lovely guy along with Mr Haskell especially when you consider that I was sick in their office one xmas and they were complete gents about it.

 

I met alot of sporting heroes whilst I was there, too numerous to mention, but what an experience for a kid and one I will never forget.

 

Did you know them Duncan?

 

 

Yes Billy I went to visit Arthur in his house once, he lived in Highfield near the Crown pub and he was a charming man, full of good stories from both the football and cricketing world. He also gave me a few photos which I have used in the various books over the years.

[Saint Billy]

Yes Billy I went to visit Arthur in his house once, he lived in Highfield near the Crown pub and he was a charming man, full of good stories from both the football and cricketing world. He also gave me a few photos which I have used in the various books over the years.

 

Yes I thought you probably had. I have lived outside the area now for 20 years or so but amazed to see the business still going strong.

 

Mick Channon and Brian O'Neil use to be regular customers purchasing in the main ammo for hunting, how times have changed.

[david in sweden]

Its ridiculous to disregard our past history..(as some sadly do) ..even if much of it was NOT so glorious, there has been continuity and a loyal fan base for very many decades.

 

It took more than 80 years for the Saints to get to the top, but nevertheless the faith was still there and I recall the amazement from some older fans when we finally made it in 1966, and those who were there when we won the FA Cup in 1976....

 

many great games since, although perhaps not a lot of silverware, but nevertheless succeeding generations of fans have kept the faith, and many former players (from all over the British Isles .....and a few Europeans) have been happy to remain on the South Coast and have lived....and died SAINTS ! No amount of titles and trophies would ever replace that sort of pride and loyalty.

 

Even after the tumult of summer 2009, a few hearts may have missed a beat, but Saints still marched on....(thanks to Marcus)....and it would be nice to think that our greatest days ..are yet to come.

[Whitey Grandad]

Michael Caine?

 

No, despite the rumours I am not married to Michael Caine. Anyway, that was the Zulu wars.

[VectisSaint]

Its ridiculous to disregard our past history.but Saints still marched on....(thanks to Marcus)....and it would be nice to think that our greatest days ..are yet to come.

It would be nice to think that someone who bangs on about not disregarding our (past) history (is there any other sort?)... could at least...learn how to spell Markus' name

[tpbury]

It's always important to remember where we came from and the impact that our recent past has had on our community.

 

The Boer War is not that far back, my wife's grandfather was a cavalryman in it!

 

I was thinking about a 12 year old's perspective. Events which we might consider recent are studied as history - Falklands/Gulf War etc.

[Whitey Grandad]

I was thinking about a 12 year old's perspective. Events which we might consider recent are studied as history - Falklands/Gulf War etc.

 

Quite right too. Everything that has happened has a part to play in our everyday lives, but is something that happened a 100 years ago further away than something that happened last year? I suppose the significance is in the lives of the people affected. History is just other people's lives.

[eelpie]

Quite right too. Everything that has happened has a part to play in our everyday lives, but is something that happened a 100 years ago further away than something that happened last year? I suppose the significance is in the lives of the people affected. History is just other people's lives.

 

Brings to mind visiting the Southampton Titanic exhibition on my way to a Saints match last season, and the tragic map of where Southampton's crew had lived, largely around the Saint Mary's area of the town . (Sorry, not Great War related, but it did bring home to me how close to our times past history is.)

[Whitey Grandad]

Brings to mind visiting the Southampton Titanic exhibition on my way to a Saints match last season, and the tragic map of where Southampton's crew had lived, largely around the Saint Mary's area of the town . (Sorry, not Great War related, but it did bring home to me how close to our times past history is.)

 

It was a tragedy for the town. My wife's friend lost a grandfather on it.

[tpbury]

Quite right too. Everything that has happened has a part to play in our everyday lives, but is something that happened a 100 years ago further away than something that happened last year? I suppose the significance is in the lives of the people affected. History is just other people's lives.

 

I used to think deeply on this as a teenager. About why we should feel the pain of dead and maimed of the Napoleonic wars just as acutely as, say, the Falklands. I think it was reading Slaughterhouse 5 with the Tralfamadorians that did it. If Kurt Vonnegut was president of the world, we would all live in peace! (even though he's dead)

[Whitey Grandad]

I used to think deeply on this as a teenager. About why we should feel the pain of dead and maimed of the Napoleonic wars just as acutely as, say, the Falklands. I think it was reading Slaughterhouse 5 with the Tralfamadorians that did it. If Kurt Vonnegut was president of the world, we would all live in peace! (even though he's dead)

 

It can get quite profound. I researched quite a bit of my family history a few years ago until other events overtook me. I found that reading about their lives and community brought me closer to my ancestors and I like to think that somewhere down the line my descendants will discover things about me and my life and how it might have affected their circumstances. I know, for example, that my parents and their generation had to go without so that I could enjoy the beneifts and pass some of them on through my children.

[Fan The Flames]

http://www.leytonorient.com/news/article/history-somme-358384.aspx

 

The above story of the Leyton Orient football battalion was researched and written by the cousin of an old work colleague of mine. My colleague was very proud of his cousins effort and it was recognised well by the club. I think it is now being made in to a play.

[Colinjb]

Duncan.

 

Any idea of the anticipated finish time? (Last bus back to Kings Worthy is stupidly early.)

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Duncan.

 

Any idea of the anticipated finish time? (Last bus back to Kings Worthy is stupidly early.)

 

It really won't be late Colin 9:30 at the latest I would think, there are going to be a few Saints players there ie Hugh Fisher, Jim Steele, and Paul Bennett.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

http://www.leytonorient.com/news/article/history-somme-358384.aspx

 

The above story of the Leyton Orient football battalion was researched and written by the cousin of an old work colleague of mine. My colleague was very proud of his cousins effort and it was recognised well by the club. I think it is now being made in to a play.

 

Thanks that was a good read, have fwded the link to David Bull

[Nexstar]

Unfortunately I can't make it, but I finished my history degree earlier this year with my dissertation focused around the use of sport for recruitment purposes during 1914 and 1915. A highly interesting, and often overlooked, area of history that helped fill the ranks for the Great War.

[Colinjb]

It really won't be late Colin 9:30 at the latest I would think, there are going to be a few Saints players there ie Hugh Fisher, Jim Steele, and Paul Bennett.

 

Thanks, looking forward to it.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Thanks, looking forward to it.

 

Hope you enjoyed it Colin and you enjoyed your pint afterwards!

Thought it went well and Jim Steele's comic interventions broke the ice!

[Colinjb]

Hope you enjoyed it Colin and you enjoyed your pint afterwards!

Thought it went well and Jim Steele's comic interventions broke the ice!

 

Yep, Enjoyed the pint even more when Hughie Fisher and Jim Steele turned up and humoured my fanboy leanings in the Gaolhouse afterwards!

 

An excellent evening Duncan, enjoyed it immensely. Superb effort from all concerned.

[9-3]

Great evening despite the awful weather and traffic conditions getting to Winchester.

David Bull is a brilliant orator, backed up with the immense knowledge from Duncan Holley and Gary Chalk.

Sadly today they also attended the funeral of Rob Culley the graphic designer of all the recent Hagiology Publications including his last works All the Saints.

[david in sweden]

It would be nice to think that someone who bangs on about not disregarding our (past) history (is there any other sort?)... could at least...learn how to spell Markus' name

 

yes indeed ..a mistake. Think you and CB Fry ought to join the nit-pickers club.

[Sour Mash]

If anyone is interested David Bull is doing a lecture on World War One and its effect on Southampton FC and their players, this Wednesday at the Winchester Discovery Centre.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20141009-southampton-fc-and-the-great-war-2006844.aspx

 

 

http://www.seacitymuseum.co.uk/?page_id=2646 This should be interesting to quite a few on a related topic.

[Professor]

This is something of a self-indulgence, so please feel free to ignore it. It is just a little bit of personal history as to why one football-mad teenager - me - became a dedicated Saints' fan.

It was the summer of 1958 and there was a lot of emotion around football following the destruction of the Manchester United team in the Munich air crash in February. It was also the year that saw the end of the parallel divisions of Third Division South and Third North to be replaced for the 1958/59 season by the Third and Fourth Divisions. I was living in West Sussex so Brighton was my closest club but Portsmouth and Southampton weren't far away.

In advance of the new season the press were speculating on how the northern and southern teams would do against each other and perhaps because of the focus on Manchester, there was a strong suggestion that Bury from the Third North would run away with the title in the new Third Division.

As a southerner, even as a young teenager, I was irritated by the way football in the south seemed to be the poor relation of the north, especially with all the Lancashire sides in the Football League. On the first weekend of the season, I looked to see how the newspaper's favourites, Bury, had done and they had lost - 4-2 against Southampton! I began watching for Southampton's results and they did OK in the league as well as getting to the 3rd round of the FA Cup where they lost just 2-1 to First Division, Blackpool.

I was still at school the following year, 1959/60 when Southampton really began to catch my imagination, especially when they got to the third round of the FAA Cup again and were drawn against another First Division side, Manchester City, away at Maine Road. The magic wingers, Terry Paine and John Sydenham ran rings around the first division team and George Reeves scored 4 goals in a 5-1 win away from home. Its fair to say I was hooked!

As time went on, the club moved up to Division 2 and in 1966 to Division One. During the 1960s I made occasional visits from Sussex to The Dell with another Saints fan and to away games in London. By the early 1970s I was living in Hampshire, within 20 miles of the ground and going to most home games. It was work, rather than football, that made me move to Hampshire but if it hadn't been for the press trying to 'big up' Bury in 1958, I hate to think that I have grown up supporting Tottenham Hotspur like a good few of my old school friends.

[Halo Stickman]

I was still at school the following year, 1959/60 when Southampton really began to catch my imagination, especially when they got to the third round of the FAA Cup again and were drawn against another First Division side, Manchester City, away at Maine Road. The magic wingers, Terry Paine and John Sydenham ran rings around the first division team and George Reeves scored 4 goals in a 5-1 win away from home.

 

If something like that happened nowadays, what would be the chances of the likes of Paine, Sydenham and Reeves starting the next season with 3rd Division Southampton – let alone go on to complete the majority of their careers with the club? No chance whatsoever, I imagine.

[david in sweden]

This is something of a self-indulgence, so please feel free to ignore it. It is just a little bit of personal history as to why one football-mad teenager - me - became a dedicated Saints' fan.

It was the summer of 1958 and there was a lot of emotion around football following the destruction of the Manchester United team in the Munich air crash in February. It was also the year that saw the end of the parallel divisions of Third Division South and Third North to be replaced for the 1958/59 season by the Third and Fourth Divisions. I was living in West Sussex so Brighton was my closest club but Portsmouth and Southampton weren't far away.

In advance of the new season the press were speculating on how the northern and southern teams would do against each other and perhaps because of the focus on Manchester, there was a strong suggestion that Bury from the Third North would run away with the title in the new Third Division.

As a southerner, even as a young teenager, I was irritated by the way football in the south seemed to be the poor relation of the north, especially with all the Lancashire sides in the Football League. On the first weekend of the season, I looked to see how the newspaper's favourites, Bury, had done and they had lost - 4-2 against Southampton! I began watching for Southampton's results and they did OK in the league as well as getting to the 3rd round of the FA Cup where they lost just 2-1 to First Division, Blackpool.

I was still at school the following year, 1959/60 when Southampton really began to catch my imagination, especially when they got to the third round of the FAA Cup again and were drawn against another First Division side, Manchester City, away at Maine Road. The magic wingers, Terry Paine and John Sydenham ran rings around the first division team and George Reeves scored 4 goals in a 5-1 win away from home. Its fair to say I was hooked!

As time went on, the club moved up to Division 2 and in 1966 to Division One. During the 1960s I made occasional visits from Sussex to The Dell with another Saints fan and to away games in London. By the early 1970s I was living in Hampshire, within 20 miles of the ground and going to most home games. It was work, rather than football, that made me move to Hampshire but if it hadn't been for the press trying to 'big up' Bury in 1958, I hate to think that I have grown up supporting Tottenham Hotspur like a good few of my old school friends.

 

 

nice reminiscence Professor, we would seem to be in the same generation....but I think you mean DEREK Reeves (not to be confused with my favourite "hot shot " of that period) GEORGE O'Brien.

 

(Don't worry... My memory isn't infallible either..my daughter says it's only Alzheimer's kicking in a bit early)

[david in sweden]

If something like that happened nowadays, what would be the chances of the likes of Paine, Sydenham and Reeves starting the next season with 3rd Division Southampton – let alone go on to complete the majority of their careers with the club? No chance whatsoever, I imagine.

 

Of course careers started much later in those days. Although Paine and Sydenham were still teenagers when they debuted, it was a daring manager who'd give a start to a 20 year old nowadays players like Shaw and JWP can knotch up 50-60 games by the time they get to that age.

 

When Adam Lallana suddenly upped and went in the summer, I was a bit shocked to realise he'd been at the club for 14 years. Years ago .....14 years sounded like a very long footballing career.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

http://www.seacitymuseum.co.uk/?page_id=2646 This should be interesting to quite a few on a related topic.

 

 

Thanks for that - I was outside the library this morning and noticed the poster advertising it.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

This is something of a self-indulgence, so please feel free to ignore it. It is just a little bit of personal history as to why one football-mad teenager - me - became a dedicated Saints' fan.

It was the summer of 1958 and there was a lot of emotion around football following the destruction of the Manchester United team in the Munich air crash in February. It was also the year that saw the end of the parallel divisions of Third Division South and Third North to be replaced for the 1958/59 season by the Third and Fourth Divisions. I was living in West Sussex so Brighton was my closest club but Portsmouth and Southampton weren't far away.

In advance of the new season the press were speculating on how the northern and southern teams would do against each other and perhaps because of the focus on Manchester, there was a strong suggestion that Bury from the Third North would run away with the title in the new Third Division.

As a southerner, even as a young teenager, I was irritated by the way football in the south seemed to be the poor relation of the north, especially with all the Lancashire sides in the Football League. On the first weekend of the season, I looked to see how the newspaper's favourites, Bury, had done and they had lost - 4-2 against Southampton! I began watching for Southampton's results and they did OK in the league as well as getting to the 3rd round of the FA Cup where they lost just 2-1 to First Division, Blackpool.

I was still at school the following year, 1959/60 when Southampton really began to catch my imagination, especially when they got to the third round of the FAA Cup again and were drawn against another First Division side, Manchester City, away at Maine Road. The magic wingers, Terry Paine and John Sydenham ran rings around the first division team and George Reeves scored 4 goals in a 5-1 win away from home. Its fair to say I was hooked!

As time went on, the club moved up to Division 2 and in 1966 to Division One. During the 1960s I made occasional visits from Sussex to The Dell with another Saints fan and to away games in London. By the early 1970s I was living in Hampshire, within 20 miles of the ground and going to most home games. It was work, rather than football, that made me move to Hampshire but if it hadn't been for the press trying to 'big up' Bury in 1958, I hate to think that I have grown up supporting Tottenham Hotspur like a good few of my old school friends.

 

 

That sure is a very original reason to support the Saints