jawillwill Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 The idea is back... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29532996 Thoughts? I think last time this idea raised its head, we were still in League 1. Have Saints had any official say on the matter yet? Are we all agreed that we don't want this to ever happen? Or does a match between Southampton and Burnley played in New Delhi actually appeal to some people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Don't like the idea of any team playing games away from the area they represent. But I suppose it is inevitable as the Premier League will always find new ways to ensure it is the richest league in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 The idea is back... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29532996 Thoughts? I think last time this idea raised its head, we were still in League 1. Have Saints had any official say on the matter yet? Are we all agreed that we don't want this to ever happen? Or does a match between Southampton and Burnley played in New Delhi actually appeal to some people? That would just be currying favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Think this is a very good idea. Just a cursory glance at the premier league will tell you that it is in dire need of more money, pour in a couple more billion and we can enjoy the disappearance of the league up it's own @rse. Can't wait until all games are played in the back garden of some sheik / glorious party leader...good times ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 The whole idea seems bizarre to me purely a money maker for the PL and clubs (which means it will be inevitable). The thing is only some clubs would bringing in the big crowds I doubt Saints V Burnley would be a fixture that would excite the overseas fans they'd only want to see Man U and Arsenal games. No doubt, over time, it would end up like the TV rights with the big clubs playing more overseas games and getting even more money at the expense of the smaller PL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 It will probably happen. Games abroad and B team leagues, all ruining the entire point of the football leagues. If a club isn't playing at home, neither club, then what the hell is this club? It just becomes a brand. It's one thing for US sports, where away followings are pretty limited anyway, but the best thing about our football is local fans and plenty of away support. And more practically, how do you have a fixture on neutral ground and let it count to the table? The reverse fixture would also need to be played neutrally or it becomes completely unfair. TBF a game in the far east for Man U or Arsenal would probably be just like a home game.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Another nail in the coffin as football moves further and further away from it's roots. EPL is special because of the supporters (as games in Holland, Germany, etc are). Having been to a fair few games in Ligue 1 when I lived in France, away support was diabolical compared to most EPL games. Football represents the local community and going overseas you miss out on this very important point. And really, why do they need to do it? More money? Do we really need to make more money? Bastardise the game for the sake of a few pieces of silver? If it does happen, then I hope that the biggest crowd gets a 0-0 bore draw between Burnley and Leicester or who ever they are. And who gives a **** about NFL playing a game at Wembley? Different sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Am/was heavily anti the 39th game notion, where the notion of everyone playing everyone else at home and away once was abandoned by adding an additional fixture. If they decide to go the NFL route with one fixture from the regular schedule played abroad etc i'd view it as not great but acceptable. There would have to be fair way of choosing rota for who loses a real home fixture and compensation for season ticket holders who lose out on one home fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. I second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. +1 I wrote in another topic that it won't be long before a PL club moves to another place because it's owner doesn't like the current town or city or because there's more money to make. "Football is a product which has to be sold...", you can see the dollar signs in the eyes of the marketing t***s. Thank God that no one abroad is interested in Dutch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Am/was heavily anti the 39th game notion, where the notion of everyone playing everyone else at home and away once was abandoned by adding an additional fixture. If they decide to go the NFL route with one fixture from the regular schedule played abroad etc i'd view it as not great but acceptable. There would have to be fair way of choosing rota for who loses a real home fixture and compensation for season ticket holders who lose out on one home fixture. Not sure you could ever fairly compensate a team for losing a proper home fixture let alone their S/T holders. A team that gets relegated having only played 18 home games compared against others who have had the full 19 would be rightly aggrieved and given the financial implications of relegation might pursue some sort of legal challenge. Imagine playing Man Utd as your 'home' game in the States where they obviously have a particularly strong brand presence. The crowd would be mainly Utd fans, so in effect, you'd be playing 18 home games and 20 away games in a season. That scenario would probably be the same if playing any of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, or Spurs. Just not sure how it would ever be workable, but when there is £ to be made the idea will keep rearing its ugly head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. Absolutely!! I totally agree. I hope whoever makes the final desicion kicks this purely money making idea into touch once and for all. This is no doubt instigated by the so called big clubs to enable them to spend even more ludicrous amounts on purchasing players and keeping them in the lifestyle they are now accustomed too. Football seriously needs a rocket up its a r s e before the disenchanted start to lose interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Of course, I don't think much of this idea at all, but a small selfish part of me would love to see Saints here in Shanghai. I get to watch all the games thanks to the broadcast deal here, but I never see them live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Of course, I don't think much of this idea at all, but a small selfish part of me would love to see Saints here in Shanghai. I get to watch all the games thanks to the broadcast deal here, but I never see them live. "The Shanghai Saints", it does alliterate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Mikie Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Dubai would do us! #dubaisaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. Seems a lot of us are in agreement with you. Kick business out and get sport back. Players do not need to earn 6 figure weekly salaries, and that is where it has all gone wrong. Sky don't need to charge £50-70 a month. They don't need to pay PL £1bn over 3 years etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Seems a lot of us are in agreement with you. Kick business out and get sport back. Players do not need to earn 6 figure weekly salaries, and that is where it has all gone wrong. Sky don't need to charge £50-70 a month. They don't need to pay PL £1bn over 3 years etc etc Jesus, is that what they charge nowadays?? I always steal it on a stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Jesus, is that what they charge nowadays?? I always steal it on a stream. I think so. My old man has it, and I sometimes "borrow" "his" devices which have Sky Go on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 First game of the season, Saints v Spurs at RCD Mallorcas ground in Palma. Would be fantastic, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 I think so. My old man has it, and I sometimes "borrow" "his" devices which have Sky Go on them. They charge that if you want all the channels. I pay half that and have very thing bar the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7610 Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 If you have a Sky Sports subscription, you're (a small) part of the problem, and overseas TV revenues dwarf even the current Sky deal. Matchday attendance is increasingly irrelevant to the PL clubs in revenue terms. We're seemingly only at the grounds to provide a colourful and noisy backdrop to the Global TV Product they now market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 How about Manure v Chelsea in Pyongyang North Korea just to see how many real fans they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 They need to worry about making it affordable for fans in the UK. Do the pre season tours to get the worldwide appeal but domestic games should forever remain in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 I'm off to see Bordeaux v Caen next week. Because it is on the TV, it's buy one get one free. €14 for the two of us to sit behind the goal. I know that the standard is not as high as the PL, but compare that to a WBA fan paying £42 last week for a restricted view seat at Anfieid, where he could only see one of the goals. The PL has a lot of things to sort out before they start moving fixtures to Asia and the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 How about Manure v Chelsea in Pyongyang North Korea just to see how many real fans they have. Suits me, as long as I don't have to hear about either of them ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Matchday attendance is increasingly irrelevant to the PL clubs in revenue terms. We're seemingly only at the grounds to provide a colourful and noisy backdrop to the Global TV Product they now market. Agree. Such a shame that money, the root of all evil, has ruined the beautiful game. I keep on threatening to give up on the game, yet I still keep on going. Even if I give up, there will be others to probably take my place. And really, Saints are an irrelevance. This is really for the benefit of Man Utd and Liverpool. Who in America is really going to look forward to watching us play against any of the teams that finished beneath us last season? Why would they? Why should they? If this is the way things are going, then maybe we would be better off in the Championship. At least things are more honest there and TV/money doesn't run the whole show (just part of it). Strewth, what would happen to the TV companies here if we or someone else managed to take one or two CL spots from the usual lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 I worry we (the board) would vote in favour of this. It wouldn't benefit us financially anyway as nobody (relatively speaking) really cares about Southampton outside of Southampton, and probably never will. This, any form of "re-branding" or moving the club outside Southampton would see me give up with the sport. Or go and support Eastleigh or something. As said above, I'd love to see the football bubble burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Gotta say, Im in the pro camp. I go to the NFL game most years since it has come over to our shores. Its a brill experience and I can see from a marketing point that it benefits the league. However I am against the 39th game. The game aborad should just be a few random games each year as part of the reg season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 just have the charity shield abroad. no one wants to see hull v stoke abroad, really. More than likely, the charity shield will be between two of the glory clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Gotta say, Im in the pro camp. I go to the NFL game most years since it has come over to our shores. Its a brill experience and I can see from a marketing point that it benefits the league. However I am against the 39th game. The game aborad should just be a few random games each year as part of the reg season. NFL is a completely different game (obviously) so don't see why PL should be treated the same. Next you will be saying that we should have one game played over a period of 4 hours as that's what NFL do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Matchday attendance is increasingly irrelevant to the PL clubs in revenue terms. We're seemingly only at the grounds to provide a colourful and noisy backdrop to the Global TV Product they now market. If that's true why would clubs expand grounds? Spurs Liverpool and man city are currently looking to expand Chelsea seem desperate too as do Everton? Maybe you could argue that they do it for the prestige? Or to have the largest income from gate receipts in the case of leaner times if the sky bubble bursts? I don't see that they want to disengage from their support just they want to make the brand available to the widest possible audience, perhaps the fear is that if the brand is not growing it will shrink. After all if it were not for sky we would not currently have a team fielding with so many 10 million pound players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 And more practically, how do you have a fixture on neutral ground and let it count to the table? The reverse fixture would also need to be played neutrally or it becomes completely unfair. Well if it's a 39th game, why not let it be a final game "position" match: 1 vs. 2, 3 vs. 4, etc. Potentially quite exciting matches at both the top and bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Having said that, the whole idea for having overseas PL matches is bollocks. Maybe have some FA cup matches (between PL teams) instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Wouldn't be bothered if Community shield goes. Problem must be that Burnley v Stoke ain't going to be a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 I like the idea, has potential for a good p!ss up abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't done as a festival over a bank holiday weekend all in the same city. Melbourne on Australia day, in the middle of the inevitable northern hemisphere winter break. A bit of a foreign, grander version of Rugby League's Magic weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 the italian super cup will be held in Qatar next year because of this, the Premier League will push like never before to have something abroad. Apparently, it will be a round of fixtures within a normal season 5 cities around the world hosting 2 games over 2 days. Also, heard on various things on the radio that the premier league will try to get clubs to cap/drop ticket prices for fans when the new TV deal comes in to start the 'softening up' process but either way, now Italy are starting to do it, there is no way the Premier League wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Will a game abroad be classed as home or away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Surely the only fair way of doing it would be for each club to have 2 games abroad otherwise half the teams will be one home game down. Well up for watching Saints play in somewhere like New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 the italian super cup will be held in Qatar next year because of this, the Premier League will push like never before to have something abroad. Apparently, it will be a round of fixtures within a normal season 5 cities around the world hosting 2 games over 2 days. Also, heard on various things on the radio that the premier league will try to get clubs to cap/drop ticket prices for fans when the new TV deal comes in to start the 'softening up' process but either way, now Italy are starting to do it, there is no way the Premier League wont The early stages of a breakaway PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Why stop at the PL? Surely CL games would be a much bigger draw. Why stop there? It must be time for a global Franchise League? Abu Dhabi Blue Moons. Qatarlona. Real Bangkok. Tokyo Hotspurs......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 That would just be currying favour. And Punch might not be the only one to dash off the field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Can't see it happening. The Yanks only want to watch the top teams. However, if it does, then I will not be renewing my season ticket and I will give up going to football, hoping the whole rotten ship sinks. Or maybe Bashley FC might be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 With every year i get closer and closer to stopping going altogether and it's things like this that are the reason. I'm absolutely ****ing sick of the premier league, champions league and greed that goes with it. Part of me wishes for a total collapse in football so we can kick these ****s out and start again. Agree mate. If they EVER do this stupid "regular round" match abroad, I hope many more vote with their feet. Utterly, utterly ridiculous. Even the term "regular round". WTF? This isn't Gridiron, it's Football, it's a match, a league match, played at your home ground or the away team's ground, not abroad just so they can milk some more money from people who probably don't really care "who wins". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 The idea is back... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29532996 Thoughts? I think last time this idea raised its head, we were still in League 1. Have Saints had any official say on the matter yet? Are we all agreed that we don't want this to ever happen? Or does a match between Southampton and Burnley played in New Delhi actually appeal to some people? That would just be currying favour. Ridiculous idea, bit of a naan starter as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 WTF is going on..... I see news emerging that England, or rather the FA, might consider staging games away from Wembley from 2018 if Wembely becomes home of a NFL franchise. Soon the Yanks will have all of soccer being in ¼s so that they can run adverts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 NFL is a completely different game (obviously) so don't see why PL should be treated the same. Next you will be saying that we should have one game played over a period of 4 hours as that's what NFL do. ? What? Really? My point is a good point and Im not saying to copy the sport. Im talking about marketing, on a forum where generally people can put across their opinions without snide, unintelligent replies. Obviously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 October, 2014 Share Posted 8 October, 2014 Sentry, I like your sense of irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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