Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 We will all be hoping all our lads come through the international break unscathed, then we've got a winnable game against another of our bogey sides. In October we have Spurs, Sunderland and Stoke who we have failed to beat in any of the 14 league and cup games since promotion. Surely we're due something. Sunderland beat Stoke in their most recent fixture but have otherwise had an uninspiring season, losing at QPR and drawing their other fixtures. I'd be tempted to start with Long instead of Mane who seems a bit unpredictable at times.
Lorne Malvo Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 I'd play Mane - Tadic - Long behind Pelle for this one.
Dazza82 Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 I would go for this, looks good going forward and strong in defence.
Lorne Malvo Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 I would go for this, looks good going forward and strong in defence. Can't see Mane going in the middle.
Roger Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 Can't see Mane going in the middle. He can play as a number 10 koeman said.
Pilsmer Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 I would go for this, looks good going forward and strong in defence. I'd play Stephen Davis. I think he brings a lot to the team.
igsey Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 I'd rather have Cork in for Vic this game I think, he can always be brought on at half time if we need more protection. Long in for Mane too.
Wiggles31 Posted 5 October, 2014 Posted 5 October, 2014 A real bogey team of ours. Would drop Davis and bring in Long as suggested. Can't believe we have to wait nearly 2 weeks for this game! Hate international breaks.
Saint Garrett Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Forster; Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand; Wanyama Morgan Davis; Tadic Pelle Long.
captainchris Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 I'd rather have Cork in for Vic this game I think, he can always be brought on at half time if we need more protection. Long in for Mane too. Spot in Igsy....issues at Tottenham were that we overrun in midfield... I agree with your fix with Cork. We also look more balanced with Long...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 (edited) Spot in Igsy....issues at Tottenham were that we overrun in midfield... I agree with your fix with Cork. We also look more balanced with Long... I thought we had difficulty in midfield in the first half at least justly because Wanyama gave the ball away a lot of the time, if not he was committing stupid fouls . I really don't think he's better than Cork, seems to have no poise or class, panics a lot. Edited 6 October, 2014 by Window Cleaner
Roger Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 I thought we had difficulty in midfield in the first half at least justly because Wanyama gave the ball away a lot of the time, if not he was committing stupid fouls . I really don't think he's better than Cork, seems to have no poise or class, panics a lot. We are so much better when Vic plays. He was better than Morgan yesterday. Mane better than long for me.
Roger Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 I thought we had difficulty in midfield in the first half at least justly because Wanyama gave the ball away a lot of the time, if not he was committing stupid fouls . I really don't think he's better than Cork, seems to have no poise or class, panics a lot. Couldn't disagree with you more. You look at the stats when they play we win tons more when Vic plays. When he went off yesterday we went to pieces.
Bucks Saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 I thought we had difficulty in midfield in the first half at least justly because Wanyama gave the ball away a lot of the time, if not he was committing stupid fouls . I really don't think he's better than Cork, seems to have no poise or class, panics a lot. A lot of those "fouls" given against him yesterday were nonsense.
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Couldn't disagree with you more. You look at the stats when they play we win tons more when Vic plays. When he went off yesterday we went to pieces. If you say so but this season VW has started 4 out of 7 and we've lost 2 of those and drew one other. In fact I think we've only won 1 game that he's started this season. Lacks poise and control in my view, slows us down.
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 A lot of those "fouls" given against him yesterday were nonsense. As I said stupid fouls, when a man mountain leans on a little lightweight the ref is going to blow up.
Saint_Tony Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Same team, no need to change just because we've lost one game to a better team.
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 If you say so but this season VW has started 4 out of 7 and we've lost 2 of those and drew one other. In fact I think we've only won 1 game that he's started this season. Lacks poise and control in my view, slows us down. An interesting view and point on our wins with VW starting this season. I can't make up my mind on the VW versus Cork argument.
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Couldn't disagree with you more. You look at the stats when they play we win tons more when Vic plays. When he went off yesterday we went to pieces. But Wanyama went off for Long, by taking off a defensive midfielder for a forward will always leave us more open.
Window Cleaner Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 An interesting view and point on our wins with VW starting this season. I can't make up my mind on the VW versus Cork argument. It's a case of each to his own I suppose, I am not a fan of lumbering hulks in midfield, for me Cork is more vivacious, passes more accurately and reads the game far far better.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 If you say so but this season VW has started 4 out of 7 and we've lost 2 of those and drew one other. In fact I think we've only won 1 game that he's started this season. Lacks poise and control in my view, slows us down. Deliberately ignoring the Swansea game then? We were noticeably better when he came on and scored a very good goal, which won the game.
hasper57saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 The only thing I'd change from Dazza82's formation is, I'd have Cork alongside Morgan and Davis behind Pelle with Mane and Vic on the bench.
KingdomCome Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 The only thing I'd change from Dazza82's formation is, I'd have Cork alongside Morgan and Davis behind Pelle with Mane and Vic on the bench. I was just going to post this exact same suggestion. I'm a bit torn between VW and Cork though. I think with Sunderland Cork can offer a bit more going forward. Davis hasn't been as good as last season, but still in my first 11. Mane offers something a bit different but best off the bench for me.
eelpie Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 I'd rather have Cork in for Vic this game I think, he can always be brought on at half time if we need more protection. Long in for Mane too. Yes. And we need to get him into the England squad (with Bertrand) Then we have a full house
Dalek2003 Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Most important game of the season IMO. Every team loses games, it's how you bounce back that counts. Are we a really good side, or were we just on a good run? Nothing less than a win will do. Sunderland are really poor, the bottom half of the league is. I don't see much reason to change the team if all fit, we just need a better performance. Without a doubt a six pointer, Sunderland will be round about the bottom third come the end of the season. We need to win games like these.
whelk Posted 6 October, 2014 Posted 6 October, 2014 Couldn't disagree with you more. You look at the stats when they play we win tons more when Vic plays. When he went off yesterday we went to pieces. Look at the stats. Just look at the stats! How many times has the midfield been as poor as Sunday with Cork in side. VW can be excellent of course but so can Cork.
Avenue Saint Posted 7 October, 2014 Posted 7 October, 2014 Can we not play 4-2-3-1? Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Wanyama..Schneiderlin Long.....Tadic....Mane Pelle If 4-3-3 Then replace Long with Cork to free up Morgan to get forward, with Tadic and Mane either side of Pelle
Saint IQ Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 ----------Forster----------- Clyne Fonte Toby Bertrand -----Cork Morgan--------- Tadic-------------Mane----- -------Pelle Long------ All out attack from kick off.
the_emu Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 Can we not play 4-2-3-1? Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Wanyama..Schneiderlin Long.....Tadic....Mane Pelle If 4-3-3 Then replace Long with Cork to free up Morgan to get forward, with Tadic and Mane either side of Pelle This, with Long, Mane and Tadic rotating to cause their back liquorice all sorts
JoeShmoe Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 See everyone dropping Davis again - *sigh* As has been said same team as last few games that beat Arsenal and QPR - depending on if all come back fit from international duty
WindsorSaint Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 Do Sunderland have any players on International Duty?
Window Cleaner Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 Do Sunderland have any players on International Duty? Larsson probably, maybe some scots and other obscure nations as well.
Saint Charlie Posted 8 October, 2014 Posted 8 October, 2014 Mane won't have long to recover as his game is Wednesday evening I think. if fit however, he should defeinitely play. Exactly the type of player for these games where it is about that piece of magic to break someone down. Not impossible, but hard to see Long trying that backheel for the Bertrand goal. Also won the pen and corner that we scored from at Arsenal. A must pick IMO, rather than an out of form striker being asked to play a role he isnt totally suited to.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2014 Posted 9 October, 2014 (edited) Just seen that Coates,Alvarez and Giacherini are all supposed to be injured and out for at least a month. Don't know exactly how they got injured though. Edited 9 October, 2014 by Window Cleaner
saintbob40 Posted 9 October, 2014 Posted 9 October, 2014 Problem is VW is bordering on world class without the ball but league 2 at best on the ball. In heavy traffic v Spurs he was getting caught in possession time and time again. Also, against a team sitting back ( like West Brom did) better to have Cork in as he moves the ball much more effectively and he will open up space.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2014 Posted 9 October, 2014 Problem is VW is bordering on world class without the ball but league 2 at best on the ball. In heavy traffic v Spurs he was getting caught in possession time and time again. Also, against a team sitting back ( like West Brom did) better to have Cork in as he moves the ball much more effectively and he will open up space. Glad that someone else noticed that, was beginning to think I'd seen a game from a parallel universe or something. VW is cumbersome and clumsy, very poor in the air and a bad passer, still no doubt he runs around a lot and puts in crunching tackles from time to time.
Saint Garrett Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 They've sold out their away end - I'm guessing they weren't given the full allocation ?! Great effort for them. They're lucky its Saturday 3:00!! Would expect the attendance to be circa 30/31,000
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 Glad that someone else noticed that, was beginning to think I'd seen a game from a parallel universe or something. VW is cumbersome and clumsy, very poor in the air and a bad passer, still no doubt he runs around a lot and puts in crunching tackles from time to time. Care to post SFC's record with and without him in the side. I can then make a judgement in his effectiveness.
Sour Mash Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 Care to post SFC's record with and without him in the side. I can then make a judgement in his effectiveness. Can't you make a judgement from watching him play?
Sour Mash Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 They've sold out their away end - I'm guessing they weren't given the full allocation ?! Great effort for them. They're lucky its Saturday 3:00!! Would expect the attendance to be circa 30/31,000 Won't be the full allocation, will be 2.5k. Sunderland subsidised their tickets, knocking a tenner off I think (is the £200k Premier League away fund per club running again this year?). Still a good effort though.
hasper57saint Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 Was having a chat with my grandson about the 'Sunderland' experience recently and as the young are so much more perceptive these days, said 'We ain't played 'em in stripes for ages so when they come to St.Marys we'll be in stripes and they'll keep passing the ball to us as they're used to our strip!' Well at least I like it!!!!
Dellman Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 It's a case of each to his own I suppose, I am not a fan of lumbering hulks in midfield, for me Cork is more vivacious, passes more accurately and reads the game far far better. I know Cork is elegant and I love him like other fans but I'm still waiting for his first forward pass this season, that's his trouble, cautious and defensive when we need an incisive thrust forward
SaintBobby Posted 11 October, 2014 Posted 11 October, 2014 Problem is VW is bordering on world class without the ball but league 2 at best on the ball. In heavy traffic v Spurs he was getting caught in possession time and time again. Also, against a team sitting back ( like West Brom did) better to have Cork in as he moves the ball much more effectively and he will open up space. Hmm....sight exaggeration there...League2 "at best".....really???
Bucks Saint Posted 12 October, 2014 Posted 12 October, 2014 I know Cork is elegant and I love him like other fans but I'm still waiting for his first forward pass this season, that's his trouble, cautious and defensive when we need an incisive thrust forward West Ham away, August, brilliant pass for the 3rd. Sorry you missed it
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 October, 2014 Posted 12 October, 2014 Can't you make a judgement from watching him play? Let's just say we are more effective when he is in our team.
saintbob40 Posted 13 October, 2014 Posted 13 October, 2014 I know Cork is elegant and I love him like other fans but I'm still waiting for his first forward pass this season, that's his trouble, cautious and defensive when we need an incisive thrust forward I don't think his two goals went backwards but I will check the video again.....
Beckenham Saint Posted 13 October, 2014 Posted 13 October, 2014 Glad that someone else noticed that, was beginning to think I'd seen a game from a parallel universe or something. VW is cumbersome and clumsy, very poor in the air and a bad passer, still no doubt he runs around a lot and puts in crunching tackles from time to time. VW usually ends games with about an 85% pass accuracy, which is about average, nothing amazing but could be a lot worse. He is very effective at keeping the ball, at the QPR game there were times where he had 3 players trying to crowd him off the ball and he ploughed through as if they werent there. When he has the ball under control, he is very good at keeping hold of it, and as for 'putting in crunching tackles from time to time' - he is one of our best players at winning the ball back, second to Morgan I'd say. If he is going into a tackle, more often than not, he will come out of it with the ball. Wanyama could very easily fit into a team better than us. He isn't in our team to make decisive through balls or score 15 goals a season, we have other players for that. It is his role to win the ball back and keep it simple which, when he does that, he is amazing at.
Wiggles31 Posted 13 October, 2014 Posted 13 October, 2014 I know Cork is elegant and I love him like other fans but I'm still waiting for his first forward pass this season, that's his trouble, cautious and defensive when we need an incisive thrust forward I would disagree. He's probably our best midfielder for linking play with the front 3 and keeping the tempo up. All in my opinion of course.
fez Posted 14 October, 2014 Posted 14 October, 2014 Sunderland fans don't seem too happy about Andre Mariner reffing http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ref-for-saturday.978520/
Bearsy Posted 14 October, 2014 Posted 14 October, 2014 heard a little rumour that this is going to be frustrating draw. Don't shoot messenger pls!
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