simo Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 Lol so it was Karma s fault we lost ! (Also probably the fact we are 3rd too then? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 Free kick far out. Will have to be good to beat this keeper Close from tadic good effort tadic Close. Good try. I've never looked at a match thread before, do people really fill them up with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 I've never looked at a match thread before, do people really fill them up with this? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 Poch was often critisized last season for having no plan B . Koeman didnt seem to have a clue what to change in this game . Definitely no plan B today . I think we wanted to win too badly and couldn't relax . Everything looked forced and it slowed our play down . Morgan and Pelle looked frustrated straight away as did many others . I think Poch beat us before the game even started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 Poch was often critisized last season for having no plan B . Koeman didnt seem to have a clue what to change in this game . Definitely no plan B today . I think we wanted to win too badly and couldn't relax . Everything looked forced and it slowed our play down . Morgan and Pelle looked frustrated straight away as did many others . I think Poch beat us before the game even started Wasn't taking off a DM and throwing on another attacker while moving a AM back to DM a plan B then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 And yet we were unlucky not to get a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 The only chant I could hear on the stream was "sit down mauricio." http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-slams-4386777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 The Skates mocked us and ended up in Administration (again and again) and only saved by the generosity of HMRC Corrected it for you. It was quite refreshing to see Pochettino and Koeman being respectful post-match, but actions speak louder than words and it is a little sad how Poch sneaked his way out of here. Also, surely he must have known our fans weren't singing to him out of respect in the way we did for Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 "We don't make party when we win, we don't make **** when we lose." Bit long for a tattoo that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 Massive scalp for Spurs. Was a cup final for them - Poch really had them up for it. No coincidence it was the hardest they had worked all season, they wanted it so bad it was funny. Back to mediocrity for them now, onwards and upwards for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 5 October, 2014 Share Posted 5 October, 2014 I've never looked at a match thread before, do people really fill them up with this? Yes, some of us are abroad with very dodgy steams that seem to cut out just as a move is building up. We rely on these little tid-bits to keep us up to date while we reload a stream and try not to tear our hair out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Massive scalp for Spurs. Was a cup final for them - Poch really had them up for it. No coincidence it was the hardest they had worked all season, they wanted it so bad it was funny. Back to mediocrity for them now, onwards and upwards for us. Interesting that he rested 10 of his team for the Europe match before playing Saints. Sunday's match was his priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 "We don't make party when we win, we don't make **** when we lose." Bit long for a tattoo that. everyone will have to hold it in for nearly two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Pochettino loves us so much he screwed us. Bit cheeky that, but was also weirdly quite nice to hear... Aiyaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Originally Posted by kermitsaint Poch was often critisized last season for having no plan B . Koeman didnt seem to have a clue what to change in this game . Definitely no plan B today . I think we wanted to win too badly and couldn't relax . Everything looked forced and it slowed our play down . Morgan and Pelle looked frustrated straight away as did many others . I think Poch beat us before the game even started Wasn't taking off a DM and throwing on another attacker while moving a AM back to DM a plan B then? Not really a dramatic change . More just tinkering . A simple sub does not make a plan B . Formation etc is what we were after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 How long do we give Koeman before we think about his replacement? If we don't beat Sunderland pull the plug and cut our losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 How long do we give Koeman before we think about his replacement? If we don't beat Sunderland pull the plug and cut our losses? No need to do it now get the new bloke in so he has the international break to work with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Wasn't taking off a DM and throwing on another attacker while moving a AM back to DM a plan B then? Not really a dramatic change . More just tinkering . A simple sub does not make a plan B . Formation etc is what we were after Except after the sub we had our best spell as having an extra attacker over a DM helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Spurs played well. We didn't. This, basically. I hate to say it, and I hated seeing it, but they played great. They cut straight through us throughout most of the match. They pressed like crazy, at times it seemed like they were playing on fast forward. They just didn't let us play. And they don't sing their own song. BUT. If Mane had buried that chance instead of being a complete ****ing moron and having the touch of a mayuka - we would have drawn 1-1. We'd all be breathing a sigh of relief, looking forward to the next game and looking to see how we learn from this. As we lost 1-0, we should just be looking forward to the next game and looking to see how we learn from this. COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 No need to do it now get the new bloke in so he has the international break to work with the team. I think you'll find they're all off playing internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-slams-4386777 What was the BBC guy on about on MOTD2, when he asked Mopo if it was strange, having both sets of supporters singing his name? Clearly implied that everyone in the ground was having a love-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Poch was often critisized last season for having no plan B . Koeman didnt seem to have a clue what to change in this game . Definitely no plan B today . I think we wanted to win too badly and couldn't relax . Everything looked forced and it slowed our play down . Morgan and Pelle looked frustrated straight away as did many others . I think Poch beat us before the game even started Poch had planned this match for some time. His team were not suffering from post European competition as they had been in the past because they had rested their best 10 players from the competition. This was the match that he HAD to win. And his players were up for it, galvanised even more by the moronic continuing and stupid anti-Poch chants of Saint fans. So man for man, Spurs were sharper and quicker. His pressing style versus our more measured approach was prevailing and there was not much we could do about it. We were pressured into mistakes and there wasn't much that Koeman could do about that. Spurs had the edge and wanted the result more than our players on the day. But we will beat them at home if we learn from our mistakes - from both players and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldridge Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Pochettino has gone to great efforts to show his feelings for Saints over the past weeks. Winning today had nothing to do with his comments. What had a lot to do with the result is the fact that once again Karma and our incapacity to forgive and learn for the past will take it's toll on our future. I was filled with great admiration and respect for Koeman and Pochettino and their ability to show respect for one another. We mocked the Skates and ended up in Administration and only saved by the generosity of Markus Liebherr and his family. Have we still not learned our past lessons. Are we to yet again see Karma teach us more lessons. Koeman showed us today that positivity towards past behavior by Pochettino can overcome all hatred for his departure. I felt ashamed of the chants and knew today we were beaten by a better team put together in our own style. Spurs play today show that imitation is surely the greatest way of flattering our players, and Koeman and what he's doing. There was no shame in today's result, we gave everything and bar a stroke of better luck could have equalised, even won. The shame lies in the fact we are incapable of giving Koeman, the players and everyone in the game, a fan-base he could be proud of away from home. Agree with this entirely. We are surpassing all expectations so far this season and should be cheerful and nothing else, but the way many fans are conducting themselves would make you think we are rotting down in 20th place. Maybe this would justify the vitriol a little more, but it is stupid to mar the positivity in the camp by booing former staff whose departures ended up making us stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 tottenham were a goal better than us as they were last season and the season before. nothing that happened in the interim has made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 tottenham were a goal better than us as they were last season and the season before. nothing that happened in the interim has made a difference. We've played them 5 times now since we've come back up and we haven't got a single point off them, beaten by one goal every time. They were a touch better than us yesterday, but no great shakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Agree with this entirely. We are surpassing all expectations so far this season and should be cheerful and nothing else, but the way many fans are conducting themselves would make you think we are rotting down in 20th place. Maybe this would justify the vitriol a little more, but it is stupid to mar the positivity in the camp by booing former staff whose departures ended up making us stronger. What the hell are you on about? Pochettino didn't even get that much stick yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I'm absolutely amazed by the markings of the Mirror.They gave Forster 4 and Ericson 9? Apart from his goal what did he do? I only listened on the Saint but Jason and Adam (biased to Saints) were critical of the 'offences' Spuds got away with.I would like to see the Ref marking.5? 6? PS. I couldn't hear the anti Poch chants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 October, 2014 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Still. No drama. We lost away to a decent team. Who on the day were just a tad better. We were still one sitter away from a point. It was only a matter of time before they clicked a bit. They still looked shaky at the back. We need to be better on the ball and not allow as much space between our midfield and defence. Two good home games coming up. 4 points at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I'm absolutely amazed by the markings of the Mirror.They gave Forster 4 and Ericson 9? Apart from his goal what did he do? I only listened on the Saint but Jason and Adam (biased to Saints) were critical of the 'offences' Spuds got away with.I would like to see the Ref marking.5? 6? PS. I couldn't hear the anti Poch chants. A "4" is obviously a bit harsh, but I didn't think Forster had a great game, didn't dominate his box at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 not allow as much space between our midfield and defence. I noticed that as well, surprising considering we were playing Wanyama and Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 A "4" is obviously a bit harsh, but I didn't think Forster had a great game, didn't dominate his box at all. I saw his 'fumbles' on MOTD but he still didn't look confident but that 4 is very harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 October, 2014 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I noticed that as well, surprising considering we were playing Wanyama and Schneiderlin. Can only guess is that their quick passing (at times, 1 touch) goad our midfielders moving around a lot and creating the space. A few times, they got in a bit of space around 40 yards from goal. But that is how MP sets his teams up. To win the mi field battle. Also, did not help that in the first half, every time Vic made a challenge, he was penalised. The red was poor for both teams IMO Mane went down easy when clean through. But if the red gives us a free kick, it should have been red... He allows Bertrand to get away with a nasty challenge and then give tadic a yellow for his first real offence (pulling a shirt) after he was getting kicked all afternoon. Mane like to hit the deck very easily mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 How good is Lloris? Too good for them methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Saint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 So when Koeman leaves (hope it's not anytime soon) are we going to hate him as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 So when Koeman leaves (hope it's not anytime soon) are we going to hate him as well? Depends the way he leaves I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 We were flat i thought. From the first minute i didn't feel we were physical enough and we lost far too many second balls throughout the game, but we defended pretty well and restricted them mostly to long range efforts. They were the better team but we missed a couple of great chances to get a point and considering it was a 5/10 performance that is pretty encouraging away from home against a top 6 side. Every team has off days during the season and i felt that was one of them. Spurs were pretty ordinary as i expected although Adebayor once again was Man of the Match. He seems to turn up every time we play them. The atmosphere at WHL really is abysmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I think you'll find they're all off playing internationals. fair point well the new bloke can work with and Jack and Kelvin:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 His team were not suffering from post European competition as they had been in the past because they had rested their best 10 players from the competition. Wasn't that just his standard practice of fielding weakened sides in cup competitions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 So when Koeman leaves (hope it's not anytime soon) are we going to hate him as well? Depends. If he works out his contract or resigns to take a break ala Strachan, no. If he lies about going to Spurs, messes the club around and unsettles the players before he goes, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Mane like to hit the deck very easily mind. He threw himself to the floor just in front of us in first half down by the corner flag. Everyone around us was laughing at him. I hate diving. All that will happen is refs will wise up to him and then at some point when he does get clattered in the box he will get booked for simulation instead of being awarded a penalty. And it will serve the cheat right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I wonder if the international call ups had a negative impact on some of our performances? It's got to be in the back of peoples mind not to want to get injured before a debut call up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I wonder if the international call ups had a negative impact on some of our performances? It's got to be in the back of peoples mind not to want to get injured before a debut call up? Possibly. I could well imagine those who got their first call ups or those older players, who may not get many shots at the international scene, wouldn't want to suffer an injury right now and blow their chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I wonder if the international call ups had a negative impact on some of our performances? It's got to be in the back of peoples mind not to want to get injured before a debut call up? I don't think so, the recent call ups of Fonte, Clyne and Pelle all seemed focused enough, didn't shirk anything. Spurs seemed a bit sharper to the 2nd ball which was frustraiting for me, especially as we had Davis, Wanyama and Schneiderlin, I think we should have competed a bit better in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 I wonder if the international call ups had a negative impact on some of our performances? It's got to be in the back of peoples mind not to want to get injured before a debut call up? That crossed my mind too. I suppose only the players would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Watched on a computer stream and to me it was a balanced, hard fought game. Spurs did press hard but our players were up to it and I thought both sides played extremely well at an amazingly fast pace. First half, Spurs hardly had a goal threat. Ultimately, both teams had chances and the difference was that they took one of theirs while we didn't take any of ours. This. Exactly how I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 Watched on a computer stream and to me it was a balanced, hard fought game. Spurs did press hard but our players were up to it and I thought both sides played extremely well at an amazingly fast pace. First half, Spurs hardly had a goal threat. Ultimately, both teams had chances and the difference was that they took one of theirs while we didn't take any of ours. Agreed.. only watched the extended highlights but we played as well as allowed to by a determined Spurs side who upped their game against us compared to most of their performances this season. For sure, Mane had to score from probably the best move of the match. Two home games to come so we should maintain our 3rd spot for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 (edited) I went. Very frustrating first half. Spurs completely negated us for the first 45, and were (like Liverpool) STILL lucky to beat us in a match where we probably deserved a point. Worst game Forster's had with 4 obvious mistakes yet none of them cost a goal. Not sure about the Kaboul/Mane challenge, could easily have been a red but the ball and player weren't headed directly for goal so gave the ref a cop out. Our midfield was fine, but Spurs' gameplan apart from the early press was to catch us with players upfield on the counter from our set-pieces - it was like watching Saints last season but with fast blokes where Lambert and Lallana were which made them more of a threat - and even then we got a lot of important blocks in at vital moments. The reason we edged possession was because they both sat back and pressed the ball high up the pitch during the match, so they never really had the ball for long - but at the same time in the first half we never had the time to string passes together. Weird contradiction in the play due to our slow build up in the second half (which was costing us dearly) adding to the possession stat without having any impact on end product. The thing I was most disappointed with was our lack of rapid switching of play - we left it until reallly late to start moving it between the full backs and they were all over the place when we started to do that. It's not like we didn't know what they were going to do, they've been doing it all season (with varying results). Once we started stretching them and playing behind the full backs we looked good, with both Mane and Long there. Our full backs rarely got the chance to go forrward though, and the Naughton injury was the worst thing that happened to us, he's awful and Bertrand was unmarked the couple of times he did get up there. Completely in agreement with the decision to chase the game taking Wanyama off, as noted, they were doing all the right things but never in a position to repel the Spurs counters which were always from transitions and broken play, and they went in behind us up the wings. Only Forster really looked below par, and even Mane's miss was clearly just because the two defenders between him and the ball impeded his view so he saw it very late. 1-1 would have been fair in the end, but equally they could have been out of sight by half time and at 2-0 down it would have been a long way back. Oh, and for all the cobblers that's been spoken about our much better squad and strength in depth, use of Long aside I didn't think we had a player on the bench who would have improved the team. Edited 6 October, 2014 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 The difference was Adebayor as opposed to Pelle, had they swapped sides I think we'd have won. Way too static and didn't really show much for the ball and The Skate had him in his pocket, we also gave Erickson too much room. Keeper seemed nervous as well. Just one to forget and try and win the next two. Atmosphere was shocking, I've been twice to WHL since we got back up and both times they've been awful. It's like theyre embarrassed to sing OWTS and don't really know what to do. MP got a bit of clog, but nowhere near what I expected. There was a bit early on, but it died out. I guess had we been winning he'd have received more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 The difference was Adebayor as opposed to Pelle, had they swapped sides I think we'd have won. Way too static and didn't really show much for the ball and The Skate had him in his pocket, we also gave Erickson too much room. Keeper seemed nervous as well. Just one to forget and try and win the next two. Atmosphere was shocking, I've been twice to WHL since we got back up and both times they've been awful. It's like theyre embarrassed to sing OWTS and don't really know what to do. MP got a bit of clog, but nowhere near what I expected. There was a bit early on, but it died out. I guess had we been winning he'd have received more. I didn't think Pelle had any kind of service whatsoever, whilst Adebayor and Eriksen were being passed the ball by counterattacking Spurs players pretty much all the time. Adebayor didn't score either, so not sure how he could be described as the difference. Pelle could have made all the same runs but what's the point when the ball is 40 yards away and no-one's passing it quickly enough or they're already under pressure? Most of our attacks went through Mane, that was clearly the plan. I thought the Spurs fans were a LOT better than the Liverpool fans - and they were notably completely unembarrassed to sing OWTSpurs - or at least the fans next to the away section were, they were loving it - even if it did just sound like it was us doing all the singing as a result, the idiots. Personally speaking I thought the best response to Pochettino was to ignore him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 October, 2014 Share Posted 6 October, 2014 No MotM poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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