Richard Chorley.... who?

[The Majestic Channon]

I'm instigating a ****ing competition???

****ing priceless, what a prize tool you are...

 

You start having a pop at Chorley's attendance at games. I'm fully entitled to ask the same question of you but I'm instigating a pssing competetion and you're just what?

 

Being a prize **** as always..

 

How typical... you lose the argument and then uber me up... lmfao

 

It's all too typical isn't it? As soon as someone mentions attendance we get chumps like Dulldays going on about "Who's the best fan"? They then drag in people who, for legitimate reasons, can’t go to games anymore, money, family, job, location etc and hide behind them trying to insinuate that if I criticise the uber online fans like Dulldays for never going to games I’m somehow slating these fans as well.

 

Forget “Who’s the best fan” and try “who contributes to the club”? Not some Plymouth based numpty who’s always found online on matchdays and only ever attends games in his neck of the woods… and has the brass nerve to mock people who won’t attend the Plymouth game… How you, of all people, can call any fan plastic is beyond me.. Effing priceless!! lmao

 

And as for the uber fan tag, let’s put that one to sleep for once and for all. I started a fanzine, I got a gig writing for the Echo. The only person making a big deal out of it is you. The “man” whose sole contribution is to mock online…

 

Whoopee flaming doo…

 

The only person here who thinks his opinion is more important is you, you with your 2,000 posts and dull, dull threads you start every single flaming day. The only one showing off is you. Find me one post, just one post where I claim to be a better fan than anyone else?

 

One post? Go on Einstein, one post where I claim to be better than anyone else, speak for anyone else?

 

You won’t, because I never do.

 

The only people who react to these perceived ****ing competitions are the likes of you, you barely attend any games. You’re the one mocking Chorley for a perceived lack of attendance, the moment someone (me) asks how many you go to and you get all prissy and defensive.

 

You're pathetic. I'm laughing at you...

 

And as for questioning why you only ever seem to go to games at Plymouth? It's one game a ****ing year Einstein. You're doing it again, trying to drag other people into your argument... "See that? That Daren Wheeler's trying to say some games don't matter?" Be a man for once, fight your own corner...

 

I go to five away games a year and until this year, every home game. You drag yourself to one game a year on your doorstep, carp on like feck about it on the post match thread and give us the gospel according to Dulldays for every other game.

 

And if you want to go on about my “personal reasons" sailor boy, I'll say the same to you as I said to Sundance. I have my peronal reason why I go game by game now instead of renewing my season ticket. You mock that reason then you do that to my ****ing face. How about sometime at St Marys? Say it to my face rather than online sailorboy. Oops, fat chance of that eh? Actually getting to game beyond Devon or Cornwall...

 

Get back to being an “online personality” and leave Rich Chorley alone...

 

 

Had to be said, agree 100 %

 

And, well done richard.

[WealdSaint]

Don't agree or aprove.............but 30 pieces os silver do have a sort of ring

[Saint in Paradise]

I suspect that the symbolism of 30 pieces of silver was lost on many people and ignored by those

it was a symbol too.

[Jonnyboy]

having just seen the interview..I would like to alter my stance on all this..

 

I dont agree with what he did at the meeting but he did get his point across well on telly and I would like to hold my hands up and say fair play to him...

 

jesus christ, now he backs down, ha lol

[brmbrm]

I suspect that the symbolism of 30 pieces of silver was lost on many people and ignored by those it was a symbol too.

 

Right! Any posters mention the symbolism of "30 pieces of silver"? No - anti-Chorley knee-jerk reactions, official site has him as a coin thrower, at least the Echo mention it. Rabid typical reaction from a bunch who just hate Chroley, whatever he does: anti-Chorley whatever.

 

Suggest you Google "30 pieces of silver":

“Thirty pieces of silver” is also used proverbially to refer to anything paid or given for a treacherous act.(The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.). I reckon Lowe deserves this and more.

[N/West Saint]

Coins are so last year.

 

Remove your Shoes or Boots (heavy one's) and throw them at the intended target as hard as possible.

[um pahars]

Coins are so last year.

 

Remove your Shoes or Boots (heavy one's) and throw them at the intended target as hard as possible.

 

I understand that was attempted, but even if a shoe was launched, then the OS would just have mentioned "various items were thrown at the Chairman".

 

As with this act of 30 pieces of silver, that Iraqi jounralist did not attempt to hurt Bush*, he merely insulted him with a symbolic gesture that would be understood throughout the Arabic world and bwyond.

 

As pointed out by brmbrm, the OS has attempted to run this as the Chairman being "coined", which misses the point somewhat (as well as being rather disengenuous), but then again that's nothing new for our PRAVDA looking OS.

 

 

* Just for Ponty and DPS, my analogy with Bush and Iraq has nothing to do with individuals, events, personalities, atrocities committed or policies pursued over the last 20 years by anyone involved int hat theatre, it is merely a comparison with the symbolic gesture of shoe throwing that we recently witnessed.

[Thedelldays]

As pointed out by brmbrm, the OS has attempted to run this as the Chairman being "coined", which misses the point somewhat (as well as being rather disengenuous), but then again that's nothing new for our PRAVDA looking OS.

 

 

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i see what you are saying..but it is about how you see it...

 

at the time..i doubt the club/rupert looked into it and thought...

 

"hmmm, chorley was quite clever in using coins to recreate the 30 pieces of silver that judas took"....

 

even though wilde was not there..

 

 

se what I am saying..?

[um pahars]

i see what you are saying..but it is about how you see it...

 

at the time..i doubt the club/rupert looked into it and thought...

 

"hmmm, chorley was quite clever in using coins to recreate the 30 pieces of silver that judas took"....

 

even though wilde was not there..

 

 

se what I am saying..?

 

With all due respect, if Lowe or anyone else at the Club did not understand the symbolic nature of this gesture then they're living in their own fantasty land (than again judging by some of the comments about the wonderful football we are playing, then maybe it's not so hard to understand).

 

Lowe wasn't coined in any sense of that term, and by making it out that he was on the OS, shows just how deluded and out of touch the current regime is with the real world.

[Thedelldays]

With all due respect, if Lowe or anyone else at the Club did not understand the symbolic nature of this gesture then they're living in their own fantasty land (than again judging by some of the comments about the wonderful football we are playing, then maybe it's not so hard to understand).

 

Lowe wasn't coined in any sense of that term, and by making it out that he was on the OS, shows just how deluded and out of touch the current regime is with the real world.

 

 

the reports bacvk from the AGM whilst it was on did not refer much immediately to "30 pieces of silver" etc...

 

again..with the actions at the meeting by all concered and what is said..are you surprised anyone would have acted any differently if they had the clubs OS at their disposal..

 

LC, lawrie would have done the same thing..

[CB Fry]

I understand that was attempted, but even if a shoe was launched, then the OS would just have mentioned "various items were thrown at the Chairman".

 

As with this act of 30 pieces of silver, that Iraqi jounralist did not attempt to hurt Bush*, he merely insulted him with a symbolic gesture that would be understood throughout the Arabic world and bwyond.

 

As pointed out by brmbrm, the OS has attempted to run this as the Chairman being "coined", which misses the point somewhat (as well as being rather disengenuous), but then again that's nothing new for our PRAVDA looking OS.

 

 

* Just for Ponty and DPS, my analogy with Bush and Iraq has nothing to do with individuals, events, personalities, atrocities committed or policies pursued over the last 20 years by anyone involved int hat theatre, it is merely a comparison with the symbolic gesture of shoe throwing that we recently witnessed.

 

 

If Chorley chucked those coins in the same manner that journalist hurled his shoes at Bush I wouldn't blame Lowe for wanting our own Che Guava banged up.

 

Dear departing George had to duck out of the way pretty sharpish.

 

Pendantry corner - Che Guava is a intentional gag. I am fully aware that the real name of South American icon plastered on under graduate bedroom walls worldwide is Fray Bentos.

[um pahars]

the reports bacvk from the AGM whilst it was on did not refer much immediately to "30 pieces of silver" etc...

 

again..with the actions at the meeting by all concered and what is said..are you surprised anyone would have acted any differently if they had the clubs OS at their disposal..

 

LC, lawrie would have done the same thing..

 

The very first report back from the AGM was the link to the Echo's report which clearly mentioned the reference to Judas Iscariot. So the first link back to those who weren't there clearly makes mention of it's symbolic nature.

 

It was well known from the off regarding the symbolism of the action. I have spoken to probably 10+ people now who went and it wasn't lost on any of them.

 

(The first decent reports back from people who were actually there - Long Shot & Wes Tended don't even make a reference to it!!!).

 

Lowe wasn't coined in the sense that you or I think of.

[Thedelldays]

The very first report back from the AGM was the link to the Echo's report which clearly mentioned the reference to Judas Iscariot. So the first link back to those who weren't there clearly makes mention of it's symbolic nature.

 

It was well known from the off regarding the symbolism of the action. I have spoken to probably 10+ people now who went and it wasn't lost on any of them.

 

(The first decent reports back from people who were actually there - Long Shot & Wes Tended don't even make a reference to it!!!).

 

Lowe wasn't coined in the sense that you or I think of.

 

 

either way..someone throws coins at me (regardless of its meaning) at such an event..i would hit back myself...

[um pahars]

either way..someone throws coins at me (regardless of its meaning) at such an event..i would hit back myself...

 

And if someone threw a coin at me, then I too might be tempted to plant one on his nose.

 

But if someone lobbed (not threw) coins on to a table in a symbolic gesture calling me a traitor, then I think my response might well be somewhat different. I certainly wouldn't go round protraying it as having coins thrown at me (n the sense of being coined), as nothing could have been further from the truth.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by um pahars

I understand that was attempted, but even if a shoe was launched, then the OS would just have mentioned "various items were thrown at the Chairman".

 

As with this act of 30 pieces of silver, that Iraqi jounralist did not attempt to hurt Bush*, he merely insulted him with a symbolic gesture that would be understood throughout the Arabic world and bwyond.

 

As pointed out by brmbrm, the OS has attempted to run this as the Chairman being "coined", which misses the point somewhat (as well as being rather disengenuous), but then again that's nothing new for our PRAVDA looking OS.

 

 

* Just for Ponty and DPS, my analogy with Bush and Iraq has nothing to do with individuals, events, personalities, atrocities committed or policies pursued over the last 20 years by anyone involved int hat theatre, it is merely a comparison with the symbolic gesture of shoe throwing that we recently witnessed.

If Chorley chucked those coins in the same manner that journalist hurled his shoes at Bush I wouldn't blame Lowe for wanting our own Che Guava banged up.

 

Dear departing George had to duck out of the way pretty sharpish.

 

Pendantry corner - Che Guava is a intentional gag. I am fully aware that the real name of South American icon plastered on under graduate bedroom walls worldwide is Fray Bentos.

 

The act of throwing the copper on the table gets him thrown out of the AGM. The subsequent crying about being man handled, plus the fact it should have been Wilde in receipt of his savings, deserves the rest of the ban for being such a thwat.

[Barney Trubble]

And if someone threw a coin at me, then I too might be tempted to plant one on his nose.

 

But if someone lobbed (not threw) coins on to a table in a symbolic gesture calling me a traitor, then I think my response might well be somewhat different. I certainly wouldn't go round protraying it as having coins thrown at me (n the sense of being coined), as nothing could have been further from the truth.

 

This is the difference for me too. At first I got the impression that Richard had literally threw a coin hard and direct at Lowe, I imagined him throwing it with the full force you would get by using the full length and momentum of your arm.

 

It later seems that all he did was throw the coins in an open palm manner, just like you would if you were throwing some bread to Ducks[] in a Pond.

 

I would struggle to see how any act of aggression could be from showing the palm of your hand to your alleged aggressor, it would be like Adolf Hitler addressing the reich with his palm upwardly raised, rather than lower. It would have been laughable.

 

I now have read that he didn't even aim them at Lowe, it was on the table in front of Lowe. Lowe was scared of Richard hence why he had already primed the security team to deal with Richard.

 

I don't know Richard personally but I'd rather have him next to me in a bad situation than some of the wet lettuces that seem to despise him, he seems very emotionally volatile but I believe he means well, even if his style is a bit too full on at times.

[Thedelldays]

And if someone threw a coin at me, then I too might be tempted to plant one on his nose.

 

But if someone lobbed (not threw) coins on to a table in a symbolic gesture calling me a traitor, then I think my response might well be somewhat different. I certainly wouldn't go round protraying it as having coins thrown at me (n the sense of being coined), as nothing could have been further from the truth.

 

is such behaviour by anyone welcome at such a meeting..

 

you have made loads about rupert waving a bit of paper saying he had lost it..yet this is excusable...???

 

im not a fan of rupert but like to be balanced in discussion...

[Chez]

why didn't he get into the restive spirit and use chocolate coins?

[um pahars]

is such behaviour by anyone welcome at such a meeting..

 

you have made loads about rupert waving a bit of paper saying he had lost it..yet this is excusable...???

 

im not a fan of rupert but like to be balanced in discussion...

 

I think you'll find that I never said it was excusable, and although I think there are some times when direct action has to be taken, I did say in earlier posts that this could have been accomplished in a much better fashion (for instance as Chez suggests, chocolate coins, by someone less confrontational, etc etc etc).

 

Please don't make the mistake of assuming that my disdain of the the way it has been protrayed by Lowe, the Club and the OS, means I automatically support everything Richard Chorley did. That is one big jump my friend.

 

Lowe is the Chairman and CEO of a PLC, he is the figurehead of a Club that is an integral part of the fabric of our community, our city and beyond, but sadly he appears not to be worthy of such an esteemed position if he stoops so low to portray these events as an assault on himself and uses the OS in such a poor and biased way (and make no mistake, just as he did towards the end of his last stint, he is in full control of what appears on that site).

 

That is my main beef with this eposide.

[Thedelldays]

I think you'll find that I never said it was excusable, and although I think there are some times when direct action has to be taken, I did say in earlier posts that this could have been accomplished in a much better fashion (for instance as Chez suggests, chocolate coins, by someone less confrontational, etc etc etc).

 

Please don't make the mistake of assuming that my disdain of the the way it has been protrayed by Lowe, the Club and the OS, means I automatically support everything Richard Chorley did. That is one big jump my friend.

 

Lowe is the Chairman and CEO of a PLC, he is the figurehead of a Club that is an integral part of the fabric of our community, our city and beyond, but sadly he appears not to be worthy of such an esteemed position if he stoops so low to portray these events as an assault on himself and uses the OS in such a poor and biased way (and make no mistake, just as he did towards the end of his last stint, he is in full control of what appears on that site).

 

That is my main beef with this eposide.

 

 

i agree..BUT i can see why they lashed back at what chorley did..

 

he has "previous" with lowe and should not have even been there for a start...and IMO, childish behaviour...

 

lowe claims there is a lunatic fringe and this highlights yet again to the wider audience that he may well be right in many ways..

 

I can see why chorley did it but am also embarassed at the same time..

 

when you look at the ranting that went on, lowe (unfortunately) was the only one addressing the issues at hand..

 

im sure you will point out quotes from crouch etc..but they walked away..they could have voted against lowe and SHOW his true position of strength and not the false 95% that it appears to be...

 

throwing coins and walking out at the most important gathering in a long long time...

 

if that is the best the oppostion can conjour up...then we are stuck with lowe for a long time yet...

[um pahars]

i agree..BUT i can see why they lashed back at what chorley did..

 

he has "previous" with lowe and should not have even been there for a start...and IMO, childish behaviour...

 

But as Chairman and CEO of a PLC and such a high profile position, he should have risen above it. If individual fans want to be childish, then they will be seen for that, but that is no reason for a Chairman of our Club to stoop so low.

 

A Chairman is supposed to chair meetings, be accomodating, concilliatory, inclusive, independent, rational, and Lowe is none of these. His very first act of that meeting should have been enough for Cowen to pull him to one side and have a quiet word in his shell.

 

lowe claims there is a lunatic fringe and this highlights yet again to the wider audience that he may well be right in many ways..

 

There is a lunatic fringe, if the meaning of the term is a handful who are against him for more than footballing reasons, but I think the coverage gained through The Echo and on SKY (as well as other media outlets) was more damaging to Lowe.

 

The initial reports from posters on here back did not mention Chorley's antics, but instead highlighted the actions of Lowe and everyone I spoke to was of the same opinion, in that Chorley's little stunt was overshadowed by overwhelming opposition from the floor and overwhelming pomposity from the top table.

 

when you look at the ranting that went on, lowe (unfortunately) was the only one addressing the issues at hand..

 

I could well argue with this as I think alot of what Lowe said was poppy****. His continual rewriting of history, his attacks on past boards, his view that we're playing wonderful football etc etc etc.

 

im sure you will point out quotes from crouch etc..but they walked away..they could have voted against lowe and SHOW his true position of strength and not the false 95% that it appears to be...

 

throwing coins and walking out at the most important gathering in a long long time...

 

if that is the best the oppostion can conjour up...then we are stuck with lowe for a long time yet...

 

Anyone with a semblence of a brain knows the 95% figure is in no way indicative of the support that Lowe has (outside of his small cabal of course).

 

And as you say, the "stormy" meeting made the front and back pages of the Echo and certainly brought in home to many that Lowe is not fit for purpose.

 

It also managed to galvanise others into thinking about what the next steps might be, and it also seems to have withered whatever support Lowe had remaining (of course that could all have been achieved by his own actions, including the provocative start to a meeeting that should have been about unity and looking forward).

 

If they had voted then Lowe would have won (probably comfortably), so maybe such a walkout and stormy meeting achieved something that would otherwise been a walkover for Lowe.

 

Just becuase a handful of men with shares think he's right for the job, it doesn't make the wider view of the supporter base to be invalid (impotent maybe, but certainly not invalid).

[Thedelldays]

ok...yo say anyone would know that 95% is a false number...anyone out side of southampton who does not really support saints will not have a clue and not give a feck..

 

my pals saw it on the news and just dont get it...they asked me why was there a fan throwing money at your chairman when he is backed so much..

 

obviously I explained the ins and outs etc...but, due to leon and co walking out, they gave that figure to rupert on a plate..simple as that..

 

I know you will say they domstrated their frustrations etc...but to the wider audience (which chorley wanted) it does not appear like that what so ever..

 

maybe they have got some fans backs up and a few banners will appear at games..but, with the attitude of fans, I will be amazed if anything more than that comes of it..

 

crouch had the platform and chance to show everyone HE had a plan worth backing and that HE was the man to take us forward...but he did not...all he said was rupert is not welcome at the club...well, that alone will not magically solve our financial problems..

 

also, I wish I could believe that lowes removal would change the attendance but after 2006....i simply cant..

[St. Jason]

Self promoting chairman of SiSA or something allong those lines............... a serial liar

 

all imo of course

 

Are you talking about Chorley or Lowe here??

[Roger]

Richard chorley cares deeply about the club. He had a season ticket for the last 2 years in the northam with his daughter. He really cares about the people of this city and their feelings and right from the word go he had lowe figured out even from the reverse takeover. He is very passionate and only does these things because he cares so much. He always tries to do things to help the club and with the new stadium spent 12 hours in the civic centre campaigning fo the new stadium and making things better with the ethnic monorities. Lowe had done lots to **** the whole thing up at the time. Please dont give him a hard time. Whatever people say he loves the club and the people of southampton, look beyond his temper and you have a man whose knowledge of what happens behind the scenes is second to none. He knows chapter and verse what lowe has done to this club from the first minute he got here. He is actually one of the most intelligent people you could meet.

[Wes Tender]

is such behaviour by anyone welcome at such a meeting..

 

you have made loads about rupert waving a bit of paper saying he had lost it..yet this is excusable...???

 

im not a fan of rupert but like to be balanced in discussion...

 

Thank you for raising what for me is precisely the point.

 

You want balance in the discussion, but have tried to link together two totally diametrically opposite characters and expect them to exhibit similar behavioural patterns?

 

Would you expect the headmaster to act in an unruly manner because one of his rowdiest pupils does?

 

Lowe's background is one of privileged upbringing, private education, jobs at the top echelons of the City financial institutions amongst people who are supposed to act like gentlemen, respectful and respectable.

 

On that basis, one wouldn't expect Lowe to feel so insecure at an AGM of a PLC that he felt the need to inflate his own ego so crassly with an anonymous letter singing his praises. Nobody with an ounce of humility would even consider doing that. It was patently either a deliberate wind-up of his enemies, or he has a mental problem.

 

I know Richard quite well and I know that he is a very passionate individual, who sometimes goes over the top, but his heart is always in the right place. Who knows, the throwing of the 30 pieces of silver might have been a deliberate ploy to raise the profile of the AGM and boost the campaign to rid the club of Lowe in the media. Maybe he anticipated how Lowe would behave and how the OS would further shoot itself in the foot by using it as a propaganda weapon against Lowe's detractors, which is what has happened.

 

Granted that the 30 pieces of silver would more appropriately have been given to the Quisling, who felt the desperate need to be elsewhere so that he didn't have to face the wrath of those who felt that he had betrayed them by allowing Lowe back in control.

 

But I consider that taken altogether, what Richard did was effective both in raising the media profile of the AGM and showing what a dickhead Lowe was in allowing or maybe even instructing the OS to attempt to call this incident a throwing of coins with intent to injure.

 

As UM says, I had not even felt it worthy of mention in my report of the AGM and yet because of either the support or condemnation of Richard's action by either the fans or Lowe, here it is being discussed as a separate aspect of the AGM.

 

Well done Richard, you probably achieved what you set out to achieve.

[Wes Tender]

is such behaviour by anyone welcome at such a meeting..

 

you have made loads about rupert waving a bit of paper saying he had lost it..yet this is excusable...???

 

im not a fan of rupert but like to be balanced in discussion...

 

Thank you for raising what for me is precisely the point.

 

You want balance in the discussion, but have tried to link together two totally diametrically opposite characters and expect them to exhibit similar behavioural patterns?

 

Would you expect the headmaster to act in an unruly manner because one of his rowdiest pupils does?

 

Lowe's background is one of privileged upbringing, private education, jobs at the top echelons of the City financial institutions amongst people who are supposed to act like gentlemen, respectful and respectable.

 

On that basis, one wouldn't expect Lowe to feel so insecure at an AGM of a PLC that he felt the need to inflate his own ego so crassly with an anonymous letter singing his praises. Nobody with an ounce of humility would even consider doing that. It was patently either a deliberate wind-up of his enemies, or he has a mental problem.

 

I know Richard quite well and I know that he is a very passionate individual, who sometimes goes over the top, but his heart is always in the right place. Who knows, the throwing of the 30 pieces of silver might have been a deliberate ploy to raise the profile of the AGM and boost the campaign to rid the club of Lowe in the media. Maybe he anticipated how Lowe would behave and how the OS would further shoot itself in the foot by using it as a propaganda weapon against Lowe's detractors, which is what has happened.

 

Granted that the 30 pieces of silver would more appropriately have been given to the Quisling, who felt the desperate need to be elsewhere so that he didn't have to face the wrath of those who felt that he had betrayed them by allowing Lowe back in control.

 

But I consider that taken altogether, what Richard did was effective both in raising the media profile of the AGM and showing what a dickhead Lowe was in allowing or maybe even instructing the OS to attempt to call this incident a throwing of coins with intent to injure.

 

As UM says, I had not even felt it worthy of mention in my report of the AGM and yet because of either the support or condemnation of Richard's action by either the fans or Lowe, here it is being discussed as a separate aspect of the AGM.

 

Well done Richard, you probably achieved what you set out to achieve.

[um pahars]

ok...yo say anyone would know that 95% is a false number...anyone out side of southampton who does not really support saints will not have a clue and not give a feck..

 

And why should we be even bothering with those outside of Southampton who don't give a feck about our Club?

 

What counts is what Saints fans think and the coverage in the local media was pretty decent and it's certainly upped the anti from everyone I have spoken to.

 

At the end of the day, no one was hurt and life goes on, but it may be one extra piece of stuff that helps to turn the tide in this ongoing farce.

[um pahars]

ok...yo say anyone would know that 95% is a false number...anyone out side of southampton who does not really support saints will not have a clue and not give a feck..

 

And why should we be even bothering with those outside of Southampton who don't give a feck about our Club?

 

What counts is what Saints fans think and the coverage in the local media was pretty decent and it's certainly upped the anti from everyone I have spoken to.

 

At the end of the day, no one was hurt and life goes on, but it may be one extra piece of stuff that helps to turn the tide in this ongoing farce.

[Seaford Saint]

having just seen the interview..I would like to alter my stance on all this..

 

I dont agree with what he did at the meeting but he did get his point across well on telly and I would like to hold my hands up and say fair play to him...

 

I have been reading the posts on rc and I read your post. Its only obsessives who can't change their minds....nice post.

[Seaford Saint]

having just seen the interview..I would like to alter my stance on all this..

 

I dont agree with what he did at the meeting but he did get his point across well on telly and I would like to hold my hands up and say fair play to him...

 

I have been reading the posts on rc and I read your post. Its only obsessives who can't change their minds....nice post.

[Daren W]

im laughing at you darren...you are the one that uses the media to have a pop at the club over personal issues....YOU questioned what games i go to and then put caveats on what really counts as an answer..

 

I am not making a big deal about you and your fanzine (what ever it was) but the fact you used your position to put the boot in the club over something NON-football related...no matter how sad the situation was (which i am sorry for)

 

for years..i travelled up from plymouth every "home" game when I was in the country........does that make me a good enough fan...

 

and now, I dont bother due to the mess..something that RC does too no doubt..yet im the plastic and others are passionate fans?????

 

maybe I will go throwing money around at the directors and I might make acceptance in your book

 

thinking about it, I am glad I am not in southampton as im sure you are rubbing your hands at the over dramatic tripe you will go public on...full of emotion and little fact as normal...and I will have the pleasure of not reading it...

 

I respect that you do more than most, but YOU asked me about my support when I am merely doing what other do (and got ****e for) and many are now suggesting to do..NOT GO..

 

Soon it will be the "done thing" not to go to games but I will still get stick for doing so..

 

Oh for ****s sake... Did you or Sundance ever read the reasons why I deceided not to renew my season ticket or did the two of you just take your dislike of me and run with it?

 

For the 100th time...

 

I did not renew my season ticket, not because I threw my toys out of the pram when they didn't support my proposed Cancer Charity drive or that they wouldn't give me money or anything else like that.

 

I'm not renewing because they didn't have the decency to just reply. I pretty much accepted that they have their designated charities and wouldn't be able to help but at the very least I expected a polite rebuff, a reply. To not even bother to reply is just plain, ****ing ignorant.

 

The icing on the cake came when they didn't even bother to arrange to get my mother's shirt signed. Cost to the club? Nothing. We didn't think she'd see in the new year, so would it be that hard to arrange something?? No and it was left to Dave Ford to arrange something.

 

Now you can write this off, as Sundance did, as me hitting out and being unreasonable but when you ask the club for HELP to raise money for Cancer research is it asking that much to expect a reply? Is it asking too much to get a dying woman's shirt signed? I never expected to get a Sainthood for trying but I never expected some arsehole to criticise me for trying to raise money for charity and hope that the club might have the sheer common decency to reply to me!!

 

To add insult to injury, just two weeks after ignoring those two, very simple requests, the club then send me season ticket renewal forms...

To me that just says, "Well we couldn't be bothered to answer you requests to HELP raise money for cancer research and we couldn't be bother to get you terminally ill mother's shirt signed at not cost to us... But is there any chance you could pay for all your games in one go this season???"

 

You know what the reply was, and throughly deserved too...

 

I notice you neatly avoid the uber fans comments. No doubt you could find no sign of any post where I have ever claimed to be a better fan than anyone else. That's because doing Beautiful South showed me so many fans whose dedication to the club puts mine to shame. I never missed a home game in ten years but I met people like Jan Formby who bleed red and white, who despite really diagreeing with the board and the club itself still pay their money and go as Saints are their lifelong passion.

The way you seem to write off my opinions as an "Uber fan" and conveniently forget that a) My opinion has never been more important than anyone else and that I have b) I'm just as entitled as anyone to express an opinion, writing for the Echo or not.

 

In regards to your attendance. Don't try and play the "I used to attend a lot" card as it doesn't wash with me as you have very publicly stated on here that you won't go as the football is ****e.

You no doubt went when the football was Premier league ****e but not now when it's Championship ****e and that says more about you and some of the more fickle fans than anything else.

 

You don't even know what your stance is supposed to be. One minutes it's "and now, I dont bother due to the mess" but you've very publicly stated you can't be bothered as the football's ****e! Which one is it? Principle or laziness? I'd hazard a guess and say, that like quite a few on here, not attending allows you mouth off about the club without actually having too put your hand in your pocket.

 

You've completely forgotten that you questioned Chroley's attendance, you mocked him as being plastic and then throw a hissy fit when someone dares to simply ask..."Well how many games do you go to?"

 

All of this attendance ******** with you goes back to the Saintsforever days when I complained that Season ticket holders were getting a poor deal in the Championship. 7 games into the new season and reduced prices were being introduced which was a kick in the teeth for season ticket holders who had shown faith in the club and paid in advance. Season ticket holders are the lifeblood of the club, I said, and you **** them off at your peril.

 

If I remember rightly you then went off on yet another "Oh so your a better fan" ******** and basically stated that if season ticket holders didn't like it then tough.

 

I think that now I've been proved to bang on the money. This club has treated all fans with complete and utter contempt and their chickens are coming home to roost. People are just fed up being treated like idiots/scum and are voting with their feet.

 

I remember all too well how I was ridiculed by some on here when I took a stand in my Echo column for my friend Carlo who was ejected from the ground for putting one foot on the red tarmac in a fit of red mist during a game. He was then banned for the rest of the season 6 games, at over £150 worth of missed games, and then told they might allow him to renew next season. He didn't, his wife didn't and the club lost some £1500 a year when a bit of common sense would have said he made one daft mistake, a ban to the end of the season was harsh and unnecessary.

 

This club has become arrogant and unpleasant and the ever dwindling attendances are not just a refelection of Championship football but many, many fans who are sick and tired of the way the club looks down on them. Lowe's behaviour at the AGM showed that in absolute spades. Rather than try and reason with fans and instigate some sense of peace he starts the meeting off controversially and deliberately casues chaos which other parties react to and do exactly wants he wants and leaves...

 

For the final time, you don't have to attend games to have an opinion on saints. Some of the best friends I've made are with people who on a Saturday evening ask me for the football results and ask, "How did we do?" when I never even knew they supported Saints. I didn't care if they went to games but it generated the basis of a good friendship. I don't care how you support your club as long as you do...

 

However, the moment you start to criticise others for their attendance or tell everyone how they should support their club or offer the gospel accoding to you as to how the club should run, then people are fully enetitled to say, "Well what do you do for the club?"

 

In your case... not a lot, unless paying £5 to messageboard, posting 2000 times and mocking on a regular basis is considered to be enough. If so, your fuicking marvelous....

[Mr X]

Are you talking about Chorley or Lowe here??

 

Chorley, but actually applies to both now you mention it

[Thedelldays]

one word daren... YAAAAAAWWN

[Freemantle Saint]

one word daren... YAAAAAAWWN

 

 

A touch argumentative arent you?

 

 

For what its worth i dont think chorley is bad as rent a lefty perry and his mob.....

 

Sadly none of this really matters as the debt still builds, the managers still **** and relegation looms.

 

Somewhere in all of this used to be a football club i gave a **** about..

[alpine_saint]

It seems to me Chorley's actions were more symbolic, 30 peices of silver and all that. If it was his intent to maim or harm his victim, why was he not arrested and charged?

 

Lowe is using this as a good bit of PR for himself, and unfortunately Chorley has paid into his hands (excuse the pun) by his actions - an outcome he would not have wanted.

 

One thing Chorley does do, is that he puts his money where his mouth is (again, excuse the pun). Too many people talk about doing this, that and the other and it's all a load of guff.

 

As for being banned from SMS, is that supposed to be some sort of punishment based on the home form this season?

 

If he had intended to main or harm, it would have been a hand grenade.

 

I agree that it was a symbolic action, which he probably intended more for Wilde (but he didnt show), unfortunately it has handed Lowe a PR coup (but in classic Lowe style, he has laid it on too thick on the OS and somewhat blown the gilt-edged opportunity...)

 

I have also never met Chorley, but view many of his opinions as spot-on and at least he has some passion and is prepared to do something.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I have emailed the club, although I expect no honest answer unless I, too, get a banning order!

 

For the attention of Mr R J G Lowe

 

Sir

I note from the post on the official site that “Throwing coins is regarded as a serious offence at football matches.”

I would like to make a couple of observations.

 

One: This was a public meeting, not a football match and, as such, your comment is disingenuous at best and fatuous at worst.

Two: Making such a comment is akin to making a statement that drinking alcohol at home is a reason to arrest someone because drinking alcohol whilst driving is a serious offence.

 

Do you not recognise the metaphor here? This was not “throwing coins” at someone; this was a statement. May I suggest you read Matthew 26:5.

 

I have been a season ticket holder for 40 years and I have never felt so disillusioned with events as I do now. May I be so bold as to suggest that you follow the advice given to you by your wife and resign. I am afraid that I, and many other people, consider that you no longer have the best interests in SFC in your heart.

 

It pains me to write this but I feel that we have now come to the end of the road with your tenure.

 

Yours faithfully,

[Pat from Poole]

Oh for ****s sake... Did you or Sundance ever read the reasons why I deceided not to renew my season ticket or did the two of you just take your dislike of me and run with it?

 

For the 100th time...

 

I did not renew my season ticket, not because I threw my toys out of the pram when they didn't support my proposed Cancer Charity drive or that they wouldn't give me money or anything else like that.

 

I'm not renewing because they didn't have the decency to just reply. I pretty much accepted that they have their designated charities and wouldn't be able to help but at the very least I expected a polite rebuff, a reply. To not even bother to reply is just plain, ****ing ignorant.

 

The icing on the cake came when they didn't even bother to arrange to get my mother's shirt signed. Cost to the club? Nothing. We didn't think she'd see in the new year, so would it be that hard to arrange something?? No and it was left to Dave Ford to arrange something.

 

Now you can write this off, as Sundance did, as me hitting out and being unreasonable but when you ask the club for HELP to raise money for Cancer research is it asking that much to expect a reply? Is it asking too much to get a dying woman's shirt signed? I never expected to get a Sainthood for trying but I never expected some arsehole to criticise me for trying to raise money for charity and hope that the club might have the sheer common decency to reply to me!!

 

To add insult to injury, just two weeks after ignoring those two, very simple requests, the club then send me season ticket renewal forms...

To me that just says, "Well we couldn't be bothered to answer you requests to HELP raise money for cancer research and we couldn't be bother to get you terminally ill mother's shirt signed at not cost to us... But is there any chance you could pay for all your games in one go this season???"

 

You know what the reply was, and throughly deserved too...

 

I notice you neatly avoid the uber fans comments. No doubt you could find no sign of any post where I have ever claimed to be a better fan than anyone else. That's because doing Beautiful South showed me so many fans whose dedication to the club puts mine to shame. I never missed a home game in ten years but I met people like Jan Formby who bleed red and white, who despite really diagreeing with the board and the club itself still pay their money and go as Saints are their lifelong passion.

The way you seem to write off my opinions as an "Uber fan" and conveniently forget that a) My opinion has never been more important than anyone else and that I have b) I'm just as entitled as anyone to express an opinion, writing for the Echo or not.

 

In regards to your attendance. Don't try and play the "I used to attend a lot" card as it doesn't wash with me as you have very publicly stated on here that you won't go as the football is ****e.

You no doubt went when the football was Premier league ****e but not now when it's Championship ****e and that says more about you and some of the more fickle fans than anything else.

 

You don't even know what your stance is supposed to be. One minutes it's "and now, I dont bother due to the mess" but you've very publicly stated you can't be bothered as the football's ****e! Which one is it? Principle or laziness? I'd hazard a guess and say, that like quite a few on here, not attending allows you mouth off about the club without actually having too put your hand in your pocket.

 

You've completely forgotten that you questioned Chroley's attendance, you mocked him as being plastic and then throw a hissy fit when someone dares to simply ask..."Well how many games do you go to?"

 

All of this attendance ******** with you goes back to the Saintsforever days when I complained that Season ticket holders were getting a poor deal in the Championship. 7 games into the new season and reduced prices were being introduced which was a kick in the teeth for season ticket holders who had shown faith in the club and paid in advance. Season ticket holders are the lifeblood of the club, I said, and you **** them off at your peril.

 

If I remember rightly you then went off on yet another "Oh so your a better fan" ******** and basically stated that if season ticket holders didn't like it then tough.

 

I think that now I've been proved to bang on the money. This club has treated all fans with complete and utter contempt and their chickens are coming home to roost. People are just fed up being treated like idiots/scum and are voting with their feet.

 

I remember all too well how I was ridiculed by some on here when I took a stand in my Echo column for my friend Carlo who was ejected from the ground for putting one foot on the red tarmac in a fit of red mist during a game. He was then banned for the rest of the season 6 games, at over £150 worth of missed games, and then told they might allow him to renew next season. He didn't, his wife didn't and the club lost some £1500 a year when a bit of common sense would have said he made one daft mistake, a ban to the end of the season was harsh and unnecessary.

 

This club has become arrogant and unpleasant and the ever dwindling attendances are not just a refelection of Championship football but many, many fans who are sick and tired of the way the club looks down on them. Lowe's behaviour at the AGM showed that in absolute spades. Rather than try and reason with fans and instigate some sense of peace he starts the meeting off controversially and deliberately casues chaos which other parties react to and do exactly wants he wants and leaves...

 

For the final time, you don't have to attend games to have an opinion on saints. Some of the best friends I've made are with people who on a Saturday evening ask me for the football results and ask, "How did we do?" when I never even knew they supported Saints. I didn't care if they went to games but it generated the basis of a good friendship. I don't care how you support your club as long as you do...

 

However, the moment you start to criticise others for their attendance or tell everyone how they should support their club or offer the gospel accoding to you as to how the club should run, then people are fully enetitled to say, "Well what do you do for the club?"

 

In your case... not a lot, unless paying £5 to messageboard, posting 2000 times and mocking on a regular basis is considered to be enough. If so, your fuicking marvelous....

 

 

When I read posts like this which show how little respect the club have for long-standing fans, it is a miracle that the attendances are as high as they actually are.

[saintoli]

I have emailed the club, although I expect no honest answer unless I, too, get a banning order!

 

What is the chance of Lowe reading this one out at the next AGM?!

[Sundance Beast]

Been away for an enjoyable week off and come back and it seems i've missed all the fun, even if nothing else changes, such as , Daren Wheeler getting hyper defensive and hyper long in his own defence instead of forumulating a coherent and expletive free argument about the future of the club without causing it any damage in the short term. Then we have Chorley once again reverting to type. Might get himself a reputation as a bit if a coin throwing thug if he is not careful.

 

The only surprising thing is that the more intelligent anti-Lowe poster such as Wes Tender, Chap in the Chapel etc seem to think it is appropriate to align themselves or worse salute a person who alledgedly is a bigger Man U fan than a Saint. Wes, I for one can't read your views dispassionatley and with reason when you seem to support this alledgedly ex-football hooligan who clearly still has a few old traits lurking in his pschye. If we attribute political credentials to the protaganists then Chorley is more Dennis Skinner than a Tony Benn and really just a bit of an old rogue, a parody of a Saints fan today who shouldn't been seen let alone heard.

 

All the while the team put in an excellent performance yesterday that belied their league position and gave notice to those who bothered to watch that we should remain confident of achieving our CCC survival. JP's decision making is definitely open to question and I suspect Lowe and the rest have the situation under the closest scrutiny and balancing JP's performance and potential with the cost of replacement.

 

Yesterday's game suggests there is no need to start panicking just yet and so lets stop second guessing the action of Lowe and if we sell Lallana and Surman so be it. Their contribution has not matched their much lauded reputation but certainly JP needs to be told that Gobern in CM does not work and should be replaced with Euell and likewise BWP for Smith. Perry and Cork are our best pairing in CD and Skacel must be sold as he is very poor and difficult to justify at every angle except his ability to win cheap free kicks.

 

No doubt Chorley will be at the game on Sunday taking up his position in the Northam, COYRs?

[Weston Saint]

Sundance Beast post is not a discussion item but an antogonistic one and should be ignored. In my opinion of course.

 

SB is capable of contructive and sometimes intellegent posts but his attempts go goad posters into replying to some on his more controversial views puts him in the same camp as..................no, I will not go there

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Sundance Beast post is not a discussion item but an antogonistic one and should be ignored. In my opinion of course.

 

SB is capable of contructive and sometimes intellegent posts but his attempts go goad posters into replying to some on his more controversial views puts him in the same camp as..................no, I will not go there

 

Go on, go on, go on, go on.

 

Would you like a cup of tea

 

Feck! Arse! nickers! :yawinkle:

[Johnny Bognor]

Been away for an enjoyable week off and come back and it seems i've missed all the fun, even if nothing else changes, such as , Daren Wheeler getting hyper defensive and hyper long in his own defence instead of forumulating a coherent and expletive free argument about the future of the club without causing it any damage in the short term.

 

If nothing else changes, it explains why you keep going on about Daren Wheeler.

 

Then we have Chorley once again reverting to type. Might get himself a reputation as a bit if a coin throwing thug if he is not careful. The only surprising thing is that the more intelligent anti-Lowe poster such as Wes Tender, Chap in the Chapel etc seem to think it is appropriate to align themselves or worse salute a person who alledgedly is a bigger Man U fan than a Saint. Wes, I for one can't read your views dispassionatley and with reason when you seem to support this alledgedly ex-football hooligan who clearly still has a few old traits lurking in his pschye. If we attribute political credentials to the protaganists then Chorley is more Dennis Skinner than a Tony Benn and really just a bit of an old rogue, a parody of a Saints fan today who shouldn't been seen let alone heard.

 

Using your analogies, I would liken Lowe to John Presoctt - someone thows an egg at him and he responds disproportionately by throwing a metaphoric punch.

 

The parallels are quite striking as both got to their positions based on priveledge rather than ability; both hang around whilst not being wanted; both talk the talk - yet don't deliver; and they both know how to play the media.

 

All the while the team put in an excellent performance yesterday that belied their league position and gave notice to those who bothered to watch that we should remain confident of achieving our CCC survival.

 

Don't disagree with an excellent performance, but one swallow does not make a summer. What are your thoughts on the Forest and Plymouth games? Do these games also give you confidence?

 

JP's decision making is definitely open to question and I suspect Lowe and the rest have the situation under the closest scrutiny and balancing JP's performance and potential with the cost of replacement.

 

Lowe managed to balance the cost of Crouch's replacement (i.e. himself), so being the financial genius he is, I am sure he wouldn't have too much of a problem.

 

 

Yesterday's game suggests there is no need to start panicking just yet

 

Have you seen the league table lately?

 

 

No doubt Chorley will be at the game on Sunday taking up his position in the Northam

 

Did you not know that he is now banned from SMS as punishment?

 

 

COYRs?

 

Not, "Come on You Ruperts" by any chance?

Edited 29 December, 2008 by Johnny Bognor

[St. Jason]

wasting your time John!

 

Thought that was quite funny myself "Originally Posted by Sundance Beast

Yesterday's game suggests there is no need to start panicking just yet" apart from the fact we're now second from bottom, 2 points adrift of safety with a gd of-18, when can we panick??

[Harry Faz]

wasting your time John!

 

Thought that was quite funny myself "Originally Posted by Sundance Beast

Yesterday's game suggests there is no need to start panicking just yet" apart from the fact we're now second from bottom, 2 points adrift of safety with a gd of-18, when can we panick??

 

According to those that defend Lowe, you cant ever panic whilst his is in charge. They believe that whatever happens (including another relagation under his stewardship) Lowe will have performed better than any of the alternative options available to us.

 

Now, if Nigel Pearson and Leon Crouch had got us into this position , then i suspect Sundance would be calling for them to go, but as its Lowe, then we need to trust that all will come right eventually, and even if it doesnt - the end result will be better than anything that could have been achieved by others.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

According to those that defend Lowe, you cant ever panic whilst his is in charge. They believe that whatever happens (including another relagation under his stewardship) Lowe will have performed better than any of the alternative options available to us.

 

Now, if Nigel Pearson and Leon Crouch had got us into this position , then i suspect Sundance would be calling for them to go, but as its Lowe, then we need to trust that all will come right eventually, and even if it doesnt - the end result will be better than anything that could have been achieved by others.

 

You'll not get a fairer appraisal than that.

[Trumush]

Right! Any posters mention the symbolism of "30 pieces of silver"? No - anti-Chorley knee-jerk reactions, official site has him as a coin thrower, at least the Echo mention it. Rabid typical reaction from a bunch who just hate Chroley, whatever he does: anti-Chorley whatever.

 

Suggest you Google "30 pieces of silver":

“Thirty pieces of silver” is also used proverbially to refer to anything paid or given for a treacherous act.(The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.). I reckon Lowe deserves this and more.

Actually he only threw 29 pieces of silver over Rupert. He dropped one piece (a 5p coin) when he barged past me en-route to the top table.I retrieved said piece and am keeping it for sentimental reasons(or maybe e-bay !!!)

[SaintRobbie]

According to those that defend Lowe, you cant ever panic whilst his is in charge. They believe that whatever happens (including another relagation under his stewardship) Lowe will have performed better than any of the alternative options available to us.

 

Now, if Nigel Pearson and Leon Crouch had got us into this position , then i suspect Sundance would be calling for them to go, but as its Lowe, then we need to trust that all will come right eventually, and even if it doesnt - the end result will be better than anything that could have been achieved by others.

 

Who defends Lowe?

[Fan The Flames]

I thought highly of RC before this event and needless to say I still do. The man has got the balls to act out his convictions and in my opinion this was a well considered protest. Well played Richard.

[trousers]

Been away for an enjoyable week off and come back and it seems i've missed all the fun, even if nothing else changes, such as , Daren Wheeler getting hyper defensive and hyper long in his own defence instead of forumulating a coherent and expletive free argument about the future of the club without causing it any damage in the short term. Then we have Chorley once again reverting to type. Might get himself a reputation as a bit if a coin throwing thug if he is not careful.

 

The only surprising thing is that the more intelligent anti-Lowe poster such as Wes Tender, Chap in the Chapel etc seem to think it is appropriate to align themselves or worse salute a person who alledgedly is a bigger Man U fan than a Saint. Wes, I for one can't read your views dispassionatley and with reason when you seem to support this alledgedly ex-football hooligan who clearly still has a few old traits lurking in his pschye. If we attribute political credentials to the protaganists then Chorley is more Dennis Skinner than a Tony Benn and really just a bit of an old rogue, a parody of a Saints fan today who shouldn't been seen let alone heard.

 

All the while the team put in an excellent performance yesterday that belied their league position and gave notice to those who bothered to watch that we should remain confident of achieving our CCC survival. JP's decision making is definitely open to question and I suspect Lowe and the rest have the situation under the closest scrutiny and balancing JP's performance and potential with the cost of replacement.

 

Yesterday's game suggests there is no need to start panicking just yet and so lets stop second guessing the action of Lowe and if we sell Lallana and Surman so be it. Their contribution has not matched their much lauded reputation but certainly JP needs to be told that Gobern in CM does not work and should be replaced with Euell and likewise BWP for Smith. Perry and Cork are our best pairing in CD and Skacel must be sold as he is very poor and difficult to justify at every angle except his ability to win cheap free kicks.

 

No doubt Chorley will be at the game on Sunday taking up his position in the Northam, COYRs?

 

[Danbert]

Oh for ****s sake... Did you or Sundance ever read the reasons why I deceided not to renew my season ticket or did the two of you just take your dislike of me and run with it?

 

For the 100th time...

 

I did not renew my season ticket, not because I threw my toys out of the pram when they didn't support my proposed Cancer Charity drive or that they wouldn't give me money or anything else like that.

 

I'm not renewing because they didn't have the decency to just reply. I pretty much accepted that they have their designated charities and wouldn't be able to help but at the very least I expected a polite rebuff, a reply. To not even bother to reply is just plain, ****ing ignorant.

 

The icing on the cake came when they didn't even bother to arrange to get my mother's shirt signed. Cost to the club? Nothing. We didn't think she'd see in the new year, so would it be that hard to arrange something?? No and it was left to Dave Ford to arrange something.

 

Now you can write this off, as Sundance did, as me hitting out and being unreasonable but when you ask the club for HELP to raise money for Cancer research is it asking that much to expect a reply? Is it asking too much to get a dying woman's shirt signed? I never expected to get a Sainthood for trying but I never expected some arsehole to criticise me for trying to raise money for charity and hope that the club might have the sheer common decency to reply to me!!

 

To add insult to injury, just two weeks after ignoring those two, very simple requests, the club then send me season ticket renewal forms...

To me that just says, "Well we couldn't be bothered to answer you requests to HELP raise money for cancer research and we couldn't be bother to get you terminally ill mother's shirt signed at not cost to us... But is there any chance you could pay for all your games in one go this season???"

 

You know what the reply was, and throughly deserved too...

 

I notice you neatly avoid the uber fans comments. No doubt you could find no sign of any post where I have ever claimed to be a better fan than anyone else. That's because doing Beautiful South showed me so many fans whose dedication to the club puts mine to shame. I never missed a home game in ten years but I met people like Jan Formby who bleed red and white, who despite really diagreeing with the board and the club itself still pay their money and go as Saints are their lifelong passion.

The way you seem to write off my opinions as an "Uber fan" and conveniently forget that a) My opinion has never been more important than anyone else and that I have b) I'm just as entitled as anyone to express an opinion, writing for the Echo or not.

 

In regards to your attendance. Don't try and play the "I used to attend a lot" card as it doesn't wash with me as you have very publicly stated on here that you won't go as the football is ****e.

You no doubt went when the football was Premier league ****e but not now when it's Championship ****e and that says more about you and some of the more fickle fans than anything else.

 

You don't even know what your stance is supposed to be. One minutes it's "and now, I dont bother due to the mess" but you've very publicly stated you can't be bothered as the football's ****e! Which one is it? Principle or laziness? I'd hazard a guess and say, that like quite a few on here, not attending allows you mouth off about the club without actually having too put your hand in your pocket.

 

You've completely forgotten that you questioned Chroley's attendance, you mocked him as being plastic and then throw a hissy fit when someone dares to simply ask..."Well how many games do you go to?"

 

All of this attendance ******** with you goes back to the Saintsforever days when I complained that Season ticket holders were getting a poor deal in the Championship. 7 games into the new season and reduced prices were being introduced which was a kick in the teeth for season ticket holders who had shown faith in the club and paid in advance. Season ticket holders are the lifeblood of the club, I said, and you **** them off at your peril.

 

If I remember rightly you then went off on yet another "Oh so your a better fan" ******** and basically stated that if season ticket holders didn't like it then tough.

 

I think that now I've been proved to bang on the money. This club has treated all fans with complete and utter contempt and their chickens are coming home to roost. People are just fed up being treated like idiots/scum and are voting with their feet.

 

I remember all too well how I was ridiculed by some on here when I took a stand in my Echo column for my friend Carlo who was ejected from the ground for putting one foot on the red tarmac in a fit of red mist during a game. He was then banned for the rest of the season 6 games, at over £150 worth of missed games, and then told they might allow him to renew next season. He didn't, his wife didn't and the club lost some £1500 a year when a bit of common sense would have said he made one daft mistake, a ban to the end of the season was harsh and unnecessary.

 

This club has become arrogant and unpleasant and the ever dwindling attendances are not just a refelection of Championship football but many, many fans who are sick and tired of the way the club looks down on them. Lowe's behaviour at the AGM showed that in absolute spades. Rather than try and reason with fans and instigate some sense of peace he starts the meeting off controversially and deliberately casues chaos which other parties react to and do exactly wants he wants and leaves...

 

For the final time, you don't have to attend games to have an opinion on saints. Some of the best friends I've made are with people who on a Saturday evening ask me for the football results and ask, "How did we do?" when I never even knew they supported Saints. I didn't care if they went to games but it generated the basis of a good friendship. I don't care how you support your club as long as you do...

 

However, the moment you start to criticise others for their attendance or tell everyone how they should support their club or offer the gospel accoding to you as to how the club should run, then people are fully enetitled to say, "Well what do you do for the club?"

 

In your case... not a lot, unless paying £5 to messageboard, posting 2000 times and mocking on a regular basis is considered to be enough. If so, your fuicking marvelous....

 

You should get out more