The Kraken Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 As an growing business you dont wait until you are running at full capacity before you expand. If the signs are there that we could get in excess of 30k for normal games along with an expected 35 -40k for the bigger games we should expand. We arent that far away from that imo. Add to this the extra match day revenues, the long term benefits of supporter loyalty, the kudos of a larger stadium, potentially greater corporste revenues etc its not quite as daft as some are making out. Which is all very well were it not for the fact that attendances fell by about 600 people per game last season. And that overall numbers were 1500 per game down from our all time high 10 years ago. I must say I'm staggered at the amount of people sticking their fingers in their ears to what has actually been said by the chairman. We're not expanding any time soon. We might in the future, but not until we see a significant about turn in numbers game after game after game. And that point is certainly not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 (edited) West Ham are effectively doing similar. It helps increase the fan-base, raise the profile of the club and makes the club more appealing for sponsors. Okay, West Ham have a bigger fan base than us, but 32,000 vs 54,000 stadium bigger? But you're forgetting you can draw an imaginary line from Upton Park down to Brighton, and north round the m25, up the M11 across to the m69 exit at junctions 21 and then Up the m6, across the m62, down the M1 and across to the north Lincolnshire Coast , And there isn't a premier league club in that entire area so with that catchment area they'd be tens of thousands of fans wanting to watch premier league football at the Olympic stadium. Not forgetting they get crowds bigger than us now and are a crap team playing unattractive football. Just imagine if they were playing good football in a nice stadium! Edited 19 September, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 September, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2014 MLG. you spent all summer dumbing our place down in the footballing world saying what did we expect when CL and even non CL clubs came in and took our players as much as I would love to see another tier thrown on the kingsland, cant you see that 32k is just right for us now at these pricing levels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 West Ham are effectively doing similar Are West Ham spending £30m+ for 10k extra seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Are West Ham spending £30m+ for 10k extra seats? No but they are paying to watch Fat Sam's tactics every week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Which is all very well were it not for the fact that attendances fell by about 600 people per game last season. And that overall numbers were 1500 per game down from our all time high 10 years ago. I must say I'm staggered at the amount of people sticking their fingers in their ears to what has actually been said by the chairman. We're not expanding any time soon. We might in the future, but not until we see a significant about turn in numbers game after game after game. And that point is certainly not now. I was effectively agreeing with what Ralph said, but just added that I didn't think we were that far away from the the point where we start to seriously think about expansion. Attendances might well be down on our 'all time high' but we have a good team, good manager and a board that backs them. Things have not been this good for a long time. If it continues for a couple of years, the economy continues to grow and we get a bit of luck along the way, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 But your forgetting you can draw an imaginary line from Upton Park down to Brighton, and north round the m25, up the M11 across to the m69 exit at junctions 21 and then Up the m6, across the m62, up the A1m to scotch corner, And there isn't a premier league club in that entire area so with that catchment area they'd be tens of thousands of fans wanting to watch premier league football at the Olympic stadium. Not forgetting they get crowds bigger than us now and are a crap team playing unattractive football. Just imagine if they were playing good football in a nice stadium! I followed these instructions v.carefully! West Ham Catchment Area 2014: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 (edited) I followed these instructions v.carefully! West Ham Catchment Area 2014: Don't forget everything east from Grimsby down, that is their catchment area. There must be thousands of people in kent, Sussex, Essex, Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk and Suffolk looking for a premier league club to support! Edited 19 September, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Do they all have to blow bubbles or is this perk not available to the JCLs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Blowing bubbles seems like all good fun, till you read the small print and find out you have to do it forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Why we spend £30m expanding the stadium and then reduce the price to fill it? Yes but increasing your active fan base is no bad thing. A larger stadium attracting more fans prepared to pay the lower prices may not boost profits short term but will be the equivalent of throwing down ground bait when starting to fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 (edited) Yes but increasing your active fan base is no bad thing. A larger stadium attracting more fans prepared to pay the lower prices may not boost profits short term but will be the equivalent of throwing down ground bait when starting to fish. It's the equivalent of pi ss ing money away. Massive capital expenditure to intentionally devalue your own product is utter madness. The only reason to expand and then slash prices is bone-headed vanity. Thankfully neither Cortese (despite MLG's fantasies on here) or the current regime were/are quite that thick, so it won't happen. Edited 19 September, 2014 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Seriously, if we wanted to squeeze a few extra thousand in, wait till safe standing is in and just convert the Northam end. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Do they all have to blow bubbles or is this perk not available to the JCLs? It'll be part of their easyjet pricing model. £15 gets you into the ground, £20 gets you Into the ground and one use of the bogs, £35 gets priority entry and to blow bubbles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 September, 2014 Share Posted 19 September, 2014 Blowing bubbles seems like all good fun, till you read the small print and find out you have to do it forever I'''ve written to WHU several times applying for the position of bubbles but am yet to hear back. I guess they promote from in house. Karen Brady does the training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 (edited) THREAD BUMP! If Blatter did fail to be re-elected next month and England did make a bid for 2026; Saints would be in a better position to bid for this than they were from 2007 to 2009 bidding process for the 2018 World Cup... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32040304 Edited 24 March, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Calling Turkish to the main- oh, wait... Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 I'll await his arrival, will be a fun evening ahead of us boys and girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 woah are you trying to say you havent heard? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?53743-Turkish-in-Memoriam-(2007-2015)#.VRHFu-0gHTo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Oh yeah, I forgot.. he was banned at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 I miss Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2015 he'll be back soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Oh yeah, I forgot.. he was banned at last. ok. What's the deal here? If someone beats Blatter, which they won't, England could win 2026 bid, which they won't, but if they did we could build the Cortese Megadome, which we won't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 ok. What's the deal here? If someone beats Blatter, which they won't, England could win 2026 bid, which they won't, but if they did we could build the Cortese Megadome, which we won't? Pah! I see your Cortese Megadome and raise you the... Krueger Koliseum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Just imagine how much demand for tickets they'll be if the team were doing well and challenging near the top of the league. Do we still need to imagine that scenario, MLG? ## sits back and waits for MLG to pretend he never said such a thing ## Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Just imagine how much demand for tickets they'll be if the team were doing well and challenging near the top of the league. Do we still need to imagine that scenario, MLG? ## sits back and waits for MLG to pretend he never said such a thing ## Please let there be easyjet pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Woah, woah, woah... wait a minute! I thought it wasnt possible for a UEFA confederation nation to bid for another world cup until 2030 (as the rotation rule currently prevents a confederation from holding anymore than 1/3 world cups), or have I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurichboy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Bingo. If it was up to me, I'd stick the away fans in the Itchen/Northam Corner and make the whole Northam safe standing with cheaper tickets. Would get a bigger crowd into the same area, have a better atmosphere and make the same amount of money. I quite like the idea of the train station. It seems those being unwilling to walk to Central are being branded lazy by some on here but spare a thought for some of our older fans. My grand parents were ST holders until about 5 years ago but got put off by the 20+ minute walk to a suitable car park. A train station could also help to significantly ease traffic. If we had a park and ride by train scheme from SMS going out to places like Eastleigh, Airport, Hedge End and Winchester, it would be a lot quicker than parking in town. 15 minutes after the game you could be out of town and away from the traffic. Now if you were to expand that to Zurich Airport and drive me down the M3, I would buy a season ticket yesterday.....I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Now if you were to expand that to Zurich Airport and drive me down the M3, I would buy a season ticket yesterday.....I promise. Can't you cadge a lift from Kat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 THREAD BUMP! If Blatter did fail to be re-elected next month and England did make a bid for 2026; Saints would be in a better position to bid for this than they were from 2007 to 2009 bidding process for the 2018 World Cup... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32040304 Surely the Amex would get it over us just like this years RWC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Surely the Amex would get it over us just like this years RWC? The football World Cup has a minimum capacity requirement for its stadiums that the Rugby World Cup doesn't. Given the relative positions of the two clubs, Saints can justify a need for a larger stadium more than Brighton can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Woah, woah, woah... wait a minute! I thought it wasnt possible for a UEFA confederation nation to bid for another world cup until 2030 (as the rotation rule currently prevents a confederation from holding anymore than 1/3 world cups), or have I missed something. You missed the bit where they invented the "rotation rule" in order to ensure the USA got the World Cup in 1994 and revived it to ensure South Africa got it in 2010, but have otherwise completely ignored it. With the exception of 2010/2014 Europe has hosted every other World Cup, and though the idea of adding other continents to the rotation is there in principle, there's no particular reason why they couldn't have 2026 - especially if Russia counts as Europe/Asia in 2018. Because FIFA's not big on principles. 1990 Europe 1994 North America 1998 Europe 2002 Asia 2006 Europe 2010 Africa 2014 South America 2018 Europe 2022 Asia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 The football World Cup has a minimum capacity requirement for its stadiums that the Rugby World Cup doesn't. Given the relative positions of the two clubs, Saints can justify a need for a larger stadium more than Brighton can. In the same way one very bald man can justify buying a comb more than another very very bald man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Please let there be easyjet pricing. But no orange blo ody shirts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurichboy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Can't you cadge a lift from Kat? Now there's an idea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Lower ticket prices and people like me can have STs again. We would 100% get 40k fans if we charged the following, also help me make more games with my son. Cat A Stay the same. Cat B 30 pounds 25 pound for u18s and OAPs U11s 5 pounds. Cat C 25 pounds 20 pounds for U18s and OAPs U11s free still We cant fill the stadium at the moment and it saddens me, but also gives me hope people at SMS who work out ticket pricing can see they have failed badly at getting the prices correct, its not because of the fan base size its purely the money aspect, this is why we cant get 32k in Cat 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Don't need a bigger stadium, we can't sell out the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 The football World Cup has a minimum capacity requirement for its stadiums that the Rugby World Cup doesn't. Given the relative positions of the two clubs, Saints can justify a need for a larger stadium more than Brighton can. Expansion can be temporary just for the World Cup. If there was a bid we would face stiff competition from Brighton and Pompey, their councils would put up very strong bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Don't need a bigger stadium, we can't sell out the current one. Try telling that to someone who could not get tickets Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Had to bide by time and finally managed to get one for Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Try telling that to someone who could not get tickets Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Had to bide by time and finally managed to get one for Burnley. Okay. We don't need a bigger stadium, we can't sell out the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Try telling that to someone who could not get tickets Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Had to bide by time and finally managed to get one for Burnley. He's right though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Expansion can be temporary just for the World Cup. If there was a bid we would face stiff competition from Brighton and Pompey, their councils would put up very strong bids. Brighton makes sense but isn't Pompey's stadium completely inadequate for a World Cup? It only holds 21,100 according to my in depth googling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Okay. We don't need a bigger stadium, we can't sell out the current one. The situation is more complicated than that. If we could sell a significant number of additional tickets over the course of a season and thereby generate a significant amount of additional revenue and if Leibherr was filling to fund the expansion, the additional revenue would be available under FFP to spend on salary and transfer fees whereas the costs of expansion would not count against FFP. If Liebherr is not willing to fund the expansion, then cash flow limits probably dictate against the expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 The situation is more complicated than that. If we could sell a significant number of additional tickets over the course of a season and thereby generate a significant amount of additional revenue and if Leibherr was filling to fund the expansion, the additional revenue would be available under FFP to spend on salary and transfer fees whereas the costs of expansion would not count against FFP. If Liebherr is not willing to fund the expansion, then cash flow limits probably dictate against the expansion. But that's the simple point. The club clearly don't feel there would be a significant enough revenue increase to cover costs of expansion, which is why we haven't done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 25 March, 2015 Share Posted 25 March, 2015 But that's the simple point. The club clearly don't feel there would be a significant enough revenue increase to cover costs of expansion, which is why we haven't done it. That is sort of what I said, but more complicated--because I always make things more complicated. Should I explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2015 If we had a bigger stadium the overall. Number of tickets sold over a season would rise significantly. Even if that means we still got 30-32k at home to burnley, wba, Stoke and sunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 March, 2015 Share Posted 25 March, 2015 If we had a bigger stadium the overall. Number of tickets sold over a season would rise significantly. Even if that means we still got 30-32k at home to burnley, wba, Stoke and sunderland Try telling that to our friend further up the thread who had to settle for Burnley tickets when he wanted to see the Chelsea match instead. Making it easy to pick and choose just the big matches could easily deflate season ticket sales and attendances for lower grade prem matches. Over supply is not the same as actual demand. And anyway, your point is not the point - it's whether that supposed increase in tickets sold more than covers the investment needed. The club clearly see, right now, it don't. Boring but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 25 March, 2015 Share Posted 25 March, 2015 Blowing bubbles seems like all good fun, till you read the small print and find out you have to do it forever Isnt that what killed Michael Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 25 March, 2015 Share Posted 25 March, 2015 Try telling that to our friend further up the thread who had to settle for Burnley tickets when he wanted to see the Chelsea match instead. Making it easy to pick and choose just the big matches could easily deflate season ticket sales and attendances for lower grade prem matches. Over supply is not the same as actual demand. And anyway, your point is not the point - it's whether that supposed increase in tickets sold more than covers the investment needed. The club clearly see, right now, it don't. Boring but true. I live in Paris so I don't come to the Uk often. Turns out the dates I could have come to the UK had these games on. I even went to the QPR away game in the QPR home end just because I was desperate to see Saints. Had to control myself when we scored in injury time. If I was living in the Uk I would defo get a season ticket. So I don't get to pick and choose big matches as you are implying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 March, 2015 Share Posted 25 March, 2015 I live in Paris so I don't come to the Uk often. Turns out the dates I could have come to the UK had these games on. I even went to the QPR away game in the QPR home end just because I was desperate to see Saints. Had to control myself when we scored in injury time. If I was living in the Uk I would defo get a season ticket. So I don't get to pick and choose big matches as you are implying So if you couldn't go to those games anyway, not sure what point you were making in that original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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