Saints are replacing defective kit....

[JonnyOldBoy]

Saints have confirmed that the new kit is defective ( as many realised when they first saw it ) and are replacing those that are falling to bits so if you are one of the unlucky ones there will be no problem in getting in replaced, just hope the replacements have been made properly...

[The9]

Which particular bits are meant to be defective? Other than the ridiculous sizing, I've had no problems at all with it.

[JonnyOldBoy]

some people saying the weave of the actual fabric is coming apart and many reporting seams that are falling to bits... if you compare the shirt seam stitching with any Adidas/puma/nike shirt you will see why they are having problems... I assume the newer batches have proper over stitching seams as opposed to the loose-loop primark-type seams which are not suitable for that poly fabric type really... this has been on the radio this morning and Saints have acknowledged the problem and said obviously for people to return defective shirts...

[slickmick]

Which particular bits are meant to be defective? Other than the ridiculous sizing, I've had no problems at all with it.

 

I've had to replace two shirts for my kids as the shirts seem to snag very easily. The replacements have snagged again in the first game they played in.

[tpbury]

Glad we held off buying it for the lad here in Oz - thanks to members here! Does this mean that all shipments are now ok? What have they done with the shoddy stock?

[The9]

I've had to replace two shirts for my kids as the shirts seem to snag very easily. The replacements have snagged again in the first game they played in.

 

As in "they catch on stuff and it causes pulls in the fabric"?

[100%Red&White]

As in "they catch on stuff and it causes pulls in the fabric"?

 

So when does the 2014/15 Kit thread start?

 

As it's no secret we're back with Adidas next season when does the speculation begin?

 

[tongue-in-cheek-thingymajig]

[Professor]

Under FFP, the teams that are widely regarded as the 'big clubs' make huge sums of money from selling replica kit which helps fund their activity in the transfer market. We must be light years away from that and if this year's kit isn't even good quality that will have done nothing to encourage future sales. Southampton seems to have little market penetration beyond Hampshire and it will need success on the field for that to change.

I walked through a garden centre today where they were selling shields of Premier League sides, cast in concrete, to decorate a garden. There was Liverpool, Man Utd, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham and others but although this was in the South of England, there was no Southampton. We have a long way to go and maybe Adidas next year will be a step in the right direction - as long as its stripes.

[The9]

So when does the 2014/15 Kit thread start?

 

As it's no secret we're back with Adidas next season when does the speculation begin?

 

[tongue-in-cheek-thingymajig]

 

Last year's (which was the 2014/15 thread) began on 13th September, so you THINK you're joking... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49230-2014-15-Kit-Revealed-TheStripesAreBack&highlight=2013%2F14 - but as for the 2015/16 thread...

 

As there's nothing known about suppliers (other than the club is meant to be repairing relationships with adidas, though that's not confirmed yet), it's a bit more difficult this year - though actually I guess last year's was worse, at least this year we know it's meant to be changing, last year started with "it's adidas" and we only knew about stripes for sure very late in the day, especially with that Cortese shirt leak the day before.

 

In short, probably when I see the first 2015 kit online, which is likely to be when the first catalogue or MLS leaks are out.

[The9]

Under FFP, the teams that are widely regarded as the 'big clubs' make huge sums of money from selling replica kit which helps fund their activity in the transfer market. We must be light years away from that and if this year's kit isn't even good quality that will have done nothing to encourage future sales. Southampton seems to have little market penetration beyond Hampshire and it will need success on the field for that to change.

I walked through a garden centre today where they were selling shields of Premier League sides, cast in concrete, to decorate a garden. There was Liverpool, Man Utd, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham and others but although this was in the South of England, there was no Southampton. We have a long way to go and maybe Adidas next year will be a step in the right direction - as long as its stripes.

 

This year's shirt is perfectly fine, and having our own kit being perceived as crap isn't going to prevent any of the big companies wanting to make money off us (or give money to us).

 

Adidas' kit last season fell apart just as easily as anything we've done this year, the "quality" is all perception when it comes to replicas.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

This year's shirt is perfectly fine, and having our own kit being perceived as crap isn't going to prevent any of the big companies wanting to make money off us (or give money to us).

 

Adidas' kit last season fell apart just as easily as anything we've done this year, the "quality" is all perception when it comes to replicas.

 

Nobody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt.

[100%Red&White]

So when does the 2014/15 Kit thread start?

 

As it's no secret we're back with Adidas next season when does the speculation begin?

 

[tongue-in-cheek-thingymajig]

 

but as for the 2015/16 thread....

 

Good point.

 

 

 

Intersting to see Boro have a 'sash' with Adidas this season (but will be 'oh so last year' come May), would be happy to see a Keegan/Reverse Ajax shirt next it is Adidas.

[Charlie Wayman]

Which particular bits are meant to be defective? Other than the ridiculous sizing, I've had no problems at all with it.

 

It's the white stains running down the red shirts :-)

[slickmick]

As in "they catch on stuff and it causes pulls in the fabric"?

 

Basically, Yes. Definitely avoid velkro type materials touching it (even lightly), such as goalkeeper gloves straps or even if you have rough hands causes it to snag.

My son even got snags from falling over on a 3G pitch.

[Stud mark of doom]

Nobody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt.

 

Well I'm seriously considering not buying again - my 7 year old's kit has got loads of snags in it and it is obviously almost new.

 

Never happened with previous years kits.

[SaintRobbie]

Still can't believe our team are dressed in cheap home made kit. It does look good as a design. But let's face it, the tight fit doesn't work very good on most fans!

 

Still can't believe the club charged £50 for them though.

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

so what actually happened wit the whole addidas thing?? Did someone drop a b 0 llock or was it a case of a little Italian throwing his toys out the pram?

[SaintRobbie]

so what actually happened wit the whole addidas thing?? Did someone drop a b 0 llock or was it a case of a little Italian throwing his toys out the pram?

Both.

 

Still, fair play to Saints for exchanging them.

[Supersubpuckett]

The stitching referred to is what most cheap clothing labels use and anyone with a micro-ounce of rag trade knowledge knows this. So clearly the club have either employed a seriously incompetent moron to source our gear or they knowingly went into this maybe hoping the stuff wouldn't get wrecked quite so easily.

Having said that my son still wants one.....

[Stud mark of doom]

Who do you contact to get your snagged kit replaced by the way?

[GarrettIvo]

Under FFP, the teams that are widely regarded as the 'big clubs' make huge sums of money from selling replica kit which helps fund their activity in the transfer market. We must be light years away from that and if this year's kit isn't even good quality that will have done nothing to encourage future sales. Southampton seems to have little market penetration beyond Hampshire and it will need success on the field for that to change.

I walked through a garden centre today where they were selling shields of Premier League sides, cast in concrete, to decorate a garden. There was Liverpool, Man Utd, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham and others but although this was in the South of England, there was no Southampton. We have a long way to go and maybe Adidas next year will be a step in the right direction - as long as its stripes.

 

It's funny. I can go to a little shop not far from me in Perth and buy (probably non-approved) club trinkets for the big clubs. But they also have stuff badged with Sunderland, Palace and a few other smaller clubs. No Saints though.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

Who do you contact to get your snagged kit replaced by the way?

 

Can you actually get snagged shirts replaced? Or is it only shirts where the stitching has started to come loose?

 

I agree with those on here who have said the snagging problem is awful with these shirts and it is a problem that did not occur with any previous shirts. I didn't wear my shirt when I first bought it, then decided to wear it to travel in a car to our holiday in Malvern. I ended the day with two snags on the shirt after the first day of wearing it. If I could replace it with a shirt without any snags (and hopefully one that didn't snag so easily), I would do so.

 

My main problem is that I don't live in Southampton, so I can't just drop in to the club shop when I feel like it - I have to wait until I visit my parents at Christmas or send it through the post.

[The9]

I've seen snags on every Saints shirt since the beginning of time... well, the beginning of the 80s anyway. That's what happens to them if you actually wear them for anything other than football.

[Saxon]

Under FFP, the teams that are widely regarded as the 'big clubs' make huge sums of money from selling replica kit which helps fund their activity in the transfer market. We must be light years away from that and if this year's kit isn't even good quality that will have done nothing to encourage future sales. Southampton seems to have little market penetration beyond Hampshire and it will need success on the field for that to change.

I walked through a garden centre today where they were selling shields of Premier League sides, cast in concrete, to decorate a garden. There was Liverpool, Man Utd, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham and others but although this was in the South of England, there was no Southampton. We have a long way to go and maybe Adidas next year will be a step in the right direction - as long as its stripes.

 

Sports direct in Salisbury sells friggin Newcastle kits and not Saints kits. Pretty sure Swansea kits are more available nationally these days as well thanks to their reputation in the league. Surely saints, if this season is good like last season with attractive football, could build commercial based on the reputation like swansea have? Plucky underdogs that play attractive football?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Sports direct in Salisbury sells friggin Newcastle kits and not Saints kits. Pretty sure Swansea kits are more available nationally these days as well thanks to their reputation in the league. Surely saints, if this season is good like last season with attractive football, could build commercial based on the reputation like swansea have? Plucky underdogs that play attractive football?

 

That may have something to do with who owns both those enterprises.

[Saxon]

That may have something to do with who owns both those enterprises.

 

Yeah I didn't think of that, you raise a good point.

[The9]

Nobody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt.

 

Well, except England's first tailored by Umbro shirt, and then (skipping the crappy one with multi-coloured crosses on the shoulders) the one after that with red trim, with the soft material on the body and the stretchy sleeves.

 

Ok, so barely anybody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt. Mine gets even less use now I don't even play 5-a-side any more, it literally just appears on match day in the pub and on the way to the ground.

 

I'm always interested to see when people (every year), come on here complaining about scagging and pulling of the easily scag-and-pullable material football shirts are made of 95% of the time (above examples aside), when their kids are probably living in the things, and I won't even lean against a wall whilst wearing mine on a match day for that exact reason.

 

They've always scagged, and they've always been at a high risk of pulls and suchlike once that happens. The difference is - you may not have had kids road-testing them before.

[CB Saint]

I think that there is an issue with this years shirt. Bought my nephew one and it had a pull by the time I got it home. Took it back and got it replaced, and the new one got a pull whilst he was putting it on for the first time. - I think there is more to it than people whinging like they do "every year".

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Well, except England's first tailored by Umbro shirt, and then (skipping the crappy one with multi-coloured crosses on the shoulders) the one after that with red trim, with the soft material on the body and the stretchy sleeves.

 

Ok, so barely anybody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt. Mine gets even less use now I don't even play 5-a-side any more, it literally just appears on match day in the pub and on the way to the ground.

 

I'm always interested to see when people (every year), come on here complaining about scagging and pulling of the easily scag-and-pullable material football shirts are made of 95% of the time (above examples aside), when their kids are probably living in the things, and I won't even lean against a wall whilst wearing mine on a match day for that exact reason.

 

They've always scagged, and they've always been at a high risk of pulls and suchlike once that happens. The difference is - you may not have had kids road-testing them before.

 

Sorry, I don't think I explained myself very well.

 

In answer to Prof's point about FFP and selling kits worldwide, the quality of the kit is of next to no importance. The reason Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real etc sell kits in droves in places like Asia etc. is nothing to do with the quality of the kits.

 

I'd be willing to bet that in the decision making process of someone in Singapore or Malaysia, for example, the thought process is not "Oh, I really like this Southampton FC kit, the stripes are cool. Ah, but it feels a bit crappy, guess I'll just buy a Manchester United kit instead. Oooooh dem seams."

[slickmick]

Well, except England's first tailored by Umbro shirt, and then (skipping the crappy one with multi-coloured crosses on the shoulders) the one after that with red trim, with the soft material on the body and the stretchy sleeves.

 

Ok, so barely anybody buys a football kit for the quality of the shirt. Mine gets even less use now I don't even play 5-a-side any more, it literally just appears on match day in the pub and on the way to the ground.

 

I'm always interested to see when people (every year), come on here complaining about scagging and pulling of the easily scag-and-pullable material football shirts are made of 95% of the time (above examples aside), when their kids are probably living in the things, and I won't even lean against a wall whilst wearing mine on a match day for that exact reason.

 

They've always scagged, and they've always been at a high risk of pulls and suchlike once that happens. The difference is - you may not have had kids road-testing them before.

 

To be honest, previous shirts haven't scagged, even with the kids climbing trees ect. Its the material on these new ones that's the problem.

[The9]

Yeah I didn't think of that, you raise a good point.

 

They can potentially sell Skate shirts all over the country* too, because Ashley owns the rights to use Sondico.

 

Whether they do, or whether my experiences in Eastleigh and Whiteley have coloured this view, I don't know. I'll make a point of checking one next time I'm out of town - though as Sondico also supply Yeovil, Torquay, MK Dons and Port Vale, and I've never seen THEIR shirts in either of those stores, I think I already know the answer.

 

I've never seen a Swansea shirt for sale outside Swansea, and I lived in Newport for 30 years (where to my disgust some retailers sold Cardiff City shirts in the mid-90s).

[The9]

See below.

[The9]

I think that there is an issue with this years shirt. Bought my nephew one and it had a pull by the time I got it home. Took it back and got it replaced, and the new one got a pull whilst he was putting it on for the first time. - I think there is more to it than people whinging like they do "every year".

 

Fair enough, sounds like it is worse than usual. Is this the home or away shirt?

[Solid Saint]

I think that there is an issue with this years shirt. Bought my nephew one and it had a pull by the time I got it home. Took it back and got it replaced, and the new one got a pull whilst he was putting it on for the first time. - I think there is more to it than people whinging like they do "every year".

 

Exact same problem here. My son wanted a shirt and by the time we got it home it already has several 'pulled' threads, we took it back but he didn't want another one, which is a real shame.

[The9]

Sorry, I don't think I explained myself very well.

 

In answer to Prof's point about FFP and selling kits worldwide, the quality of the kit is of next to no importance. The reason Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real etc sell kits in droves in places like Asia etc. is nothing to do with the quality of the kits.

 

I'd be willing to bet that in the decision making process of someone in Singapore or Malaysia, for example, the thought process is not "Oh, I really like this Southampton FC kit, the stripes are cool. Ah, but it feels a bit crappy, guess I'll just buy a Manchester United kit instead. Oooooh dem seams."

 

I got your point, I just wanted to relate one instance of someone only buying the shirt for the quality, I am well aware my kit-purchasing habits are by no means typical - and you're right about the kit quality not being a factor in any floating fans in SE Asia deciding to buy.

 

I should think the potential local availability without a huge shipping delay would be more of a factor in the kind of impulse purchase that can hook someone more deeply into a brand - if you're prepared to wait for shipping, we've already got them.

 

Oh, and a consistent identity which isn't just "we're trying to be Liverpool" would have been a nice Prem starting point, there are going to be a few confused recent converts in Malaysia and Indonesia wondering where this striped stuff came from if they hadn't got into the history of the club before 2012.

[The9]

Ok, to be clear, are we talking about threads and seams coming loose, or are we talking about bits of the main material catching and pulling "lines" into the material around it?

[Viking Warrior]

I have worn mine once at the wba game, there are threads etc as well as a couple of snags,

I put it on in the guide dog walked to the ground and noticed these snags etc.

 

But the liverpool esq saints shirt also had snags in .

 

I will have to contact the club and send mine by post for replacement

[CB Saint]

Ok, to be clear, are we talking about threads and seams coming loose, or are we talking about bits of the main material catching and pulling "lines" into the material around it?

 

Home shirt

 

The snags have been in the main material

[millbrooktonian]

Home shirt

 

The snags have been in the main material

 

I has home and away shirt bought for me as birthday presents .Both of them snagged first time I wore them ,just by having rough hands and once by touching Velcro on a jacket .This level of snagging has never happened so easily on any of my shirts in the past ,so in my opinion is due to lack of quality material .My mother in law is into sewing and weaving etc ,she manipulated the snags by pulling them,turning material inside out tugging snags out .It has worked but will be a right pain in the but to keep them looking half decent for the whole season .However,considering the state of the team at start of transfer window ,I am glad we have a team to support and to wear a shirt to see.COYR. : )

[itchen_dan]

I've got one little snag but my main issue is the Veho sponsor 'fading' with the Red stripes showing through after JUST ONE WASH at 30 degrees like instructed. Very disappointing as others have said, design is superb but quality lacks considerably.

[doggface]

Mines been great, apart from slightly tight around the midriff. Prefer the fitted shirts to square baggy ****e though anyday.

 

Loved the fit of the black away last year. Perfect, this is a little tighter. The aap3 from the black one has disintegrated

 

great design, seems at the side look a but ****e but no qc issues.

[Saint Rees]

Mine still seems to be okay (touch wood), but can see how it could snag easily. Only thing with mine is after washing it the veho sponsor has gone a little bit sort of 'wavy' and crusty, fine when you wear it though

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

So... can I ask my question again...

 

Will the club replace snagged shirts or only shirts where the seams are pulling apart?

 

PS None of my past shirts have ever snagged as easily as this shirt - this has more snags on it after wearing it once than many of the others that I have worn numerous times. This is not just an annual complaint about the shirts - I have never before complained about shirt quality - even when we had a really cheap shirt with iron-on sponsorship transfers when we were in the Championship during the Lowe era.

[slickmick]

So... can I ask my question again...

 

Will the club replace snagged shirts or only shirts where the seams are pulling apart?

 

PS None of my past shirts have ever snagged as easily as this shirt - this has more snags on it after wearing it once than many of the others that I have worn numerous times. This is not just an annual complaint about the shirts - I have never before complained about shirt quality - even when we had a really cheap shirt with iron-on sponsorship transfers when we were in the Championship during the Lowe era.

 

Yes they will replace snagged shirts, no questions asked.

[JonnyOldBoy]

The shirts were not manufactured properly... incorrect seams... different fabric weaves joined without over-seams... sponsor logo not made out of correct polyurethane-type material... The replacements one would assume will just be the same since the company making them clearly has not the manufacturing knowledge required to produce adequate kit... so maybe this will be a merry-go-round all season with kit going back every now and then !? Surely it would be better to secure a mid-season deal with a proper manufacturer and get at the very least the playing kits out earlier than next season.... There is no problem changing your kit mid-season and there are several manufacturers who are flexible enough to be able to do this .... Puma for one. Adidas can not easily do this due to their rigid structure but surely this can be salvaged..... !?

[The9]

I has home and away shirt bought for me as birthday presents .Both of them snagged first time I wore them ,just by having rough hands and once by touching Velcro on a jacket .

 

That will mess up any shirt that the club has produced in the past 30 years. Maybe people are just getting more vociferous about complaining about these things.

[The9]

Surely it would be better to secure a mid-season deal with a proper manufacturer and get at the very least the playing kits out earlier than next season.... There is no problem changing your kit mid-season

 

Apart from it being completely against Premier League regulations.

[JonnyOldBoy]

Apart from it being completely against Premier League regulations.

 

No it is not against Premier League regulations.

[a1ex2001]

I knew a return to the own brand rubbish would mean a fall back to the terrible quality, my umbro shirts are completely free from pulls and other defects despite years of use and washing but all my older 's' brand shirts look and feel horrible with numerous pulls or logo peels/fades.

 

Let's hope the club kiss and make up with Adidas or find another decent company to work with!

[Window Cleaner]

I knew a return to the own brand rubbish would mean a fall back to the terrible quality, my umbro shirts are completely free from pulls and other defects despite years of use and washing but all my older 's' brand shirts look and feel horrible with numerous pulls or logo peels/fades.

 

Let's hope the club kiss and make up with Adidas or find another decent company to work with!

 

Can't see the problem with own brand kit per se, problem is we've obviously not paid enough attention to quality of materials or manufacture in this instance, I mean, someone in our organisation must have signed off on the quality control before mass production went ahead. Hopefully that person or persons are no longer with the club.