Charlie Wayman Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 If AB were really unwanted and bering frozen out he would have been sold in the window. You can argue his dumping as number 1 was harsh, but he is 34 and in the last year of his contract. It makes long term sense to get FF established with Boruc as backup. Agree about FF getting down to balls though - can see us conceding a lot from daisy cutters. Then we should play with two keepers. We can start a trend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 Then we should play with two keepers. We can start a trend... Nah. They would play everyone onside all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would. The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract. How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request! Former Director eh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 Boruc did lose it by making mental mistakes last season. The only truly mental mistake was the "Johan Cruyff" incident at arsenal are you saying he should have lost his place from that moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 The only truly mental mistake was the "Johan Cruyff" incident at arsenal are you saying he should have lost his place from that moment? Not many goalies let in world record long shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 5 September, 2014 Share Posted 5 September, 2014 I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would. The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract. How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request! This is what puzzles me He was told he could find another club but didn't so Saints were really offering a free transfer. Maybe he just wants the money from his present contract and a new contract at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 6 September, 2014 Share Posted 6 September, 2014 Former Director eh !Mike Richards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Not many goalies let in world record long shots That was a freak of nature from the wind and could have happened to anyone, so you don't rate boruc as as goalie then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 That was a freak of nature from the wind and could have happened to anyone, so you don't rate boruc as as goalie then? Most don't but yet are happy for him to sit on bench. Guess that'll be due to fact if Forster had to suffer an injury or a freak one during a game he is leagues better than any of other keepers at club Wonder if he'll now jump up pecking order if club plan to waste his talent seeing how for someone they said could go they weren't keen to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Christ on a bike, is this drivel still going on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Most don't but yet are happy for him to sit on bench. Guess that'll be due to fact if Forster had to suffer an injury or a freak one during a game he is leagues better than any of other keepers at club Wonder if he'll now jump up pecking order if club plan to waste his talent seeing how for someone they said could go they weren't keen to sell Haha. You guaranteed he would leave and we wouldn't let him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Irene, you come across as either being him or very close to him, so therefore I have to say that your posts are somewhat disingenuous and all you have tried to do is shït stir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Haha. You guaranteed he would leave and we wouldn't let him. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 Irene, you come across as either being him or very close to him, so therefore I have to say that your posts are somewhat disingenuous and all you have tried to do is shït stir. I've stated from word go the truth which a lot of people don't want to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 7 September, 2014 Share Posted 7 September, 2014 I was not questioning whether they were truthful or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 Rather uniquely it appears we are getting Artur Boruc's side of the story. Is he going to be available to play, now the transfer window is closed, or go on loan to a Championship club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 True Brilliant. Players don't give a toss about clubs so why should the clubs give a toss about players? Boruc has to stay and we are stronger for it. Frankly that is all I care about. Sorry if that upsets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 Rather uniquely it appears we are getting Artur Boruc's side of the story. Is he going to be available to play, now the transfer window is closed, or go on loan to a Championship club? Koeman's choice like not including him was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 Koeman's choice like not including him was Why do you think anyone would be somehow outraged that our manager forced a player to stay? We care about sfc on here not boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 (edited) That was a freak of nature from the wind and could have happened to anyone, so you don't rate boruc as as goalie then? It wouldn't have happened to any goalkeeper who was paying attention to the conditions, or any which had started to react to the position of the ball and his defenders before it bounced. Unfortunately Boruc's arrogance cost him, in failing to make a note of the conditions and considering that the ball might do what it did. He wasn't helped by his centre-backs both deciding it was carrying through to him and parting to the wings to get in position for the anticipated subsequent roll out. They should have actually defended the ball, but even with that, his starting position was neither a keeper who was sweeping up behind the defence, nor that of one who was placed to receive a backpass/back header from them, nor one that considered a wind-assisted bounce at a ground known for it's exposed nature and in a match where the pre-match build up had repeatedly featured shots of things blowing over (eg corner flags). In fact, he was side-on, about to face the other way, barely paying attention even after the kick was taken. So it couldn't have "happened to anyone", it could only have happened to someone who was probably over-confident and definitely not paying enough attention. Edited 8 September, 2014 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 Why do you think anyone would be somehow outraged that our manager forced a player to stay? We care about sfc on here not boruc. Players (and this might be unfair on some as it is a generalisation) think that they are bigger than the club, club and supporters know that the club is bigger than the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 It wouldn't have happened to any goalkeeper who was paying attention to the conditions, or any which had started to react to the position of the ball and his defenders before it bounced. Unfortunately Boruc's arrogance cost him, in failing to make a note of the conditions and considering that the ball might do what it did. He wasn't helped by his centre-backs both deciding it was carrying through to him and parting to the wings to get in position for the anticipated subsequent roll out. They should have actually defended the ball, but even with that, his starting position was neither a keeper who was sweeping up behind the defence, nor that of one who was placed to receive a backpass/back header from them, nor one that considered a wind-assisted bounce at a ground known for it's exposed nature and in a match where the pre-match build up had repeatedly featured shots of things blowing over (eg corner flags). In fact, he was side-on, about to face the other way, barely paying attention even after the kick was taken. So it couldn't have "happened to anyone", it could only have happened to someone who was probably over-confident and definitely not paying enough attention. I was there and it was a freak of nature - it could only really have happened at The Britannia stadium. Boruc is a top class keeper and I wonder why people are on his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 I was there and it was a freak of nature - it could only really have happened at The Britannia stadium. Boruc is a top class keeper and I wonder why people are on his case. really?, you really wonder why? at the first time of him being challenged for his spot he wants out. I think fans have had enough of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 really?, you really wonder why? at the first time of him being challenged for his spot he wants out. I think fans have had enough of that Think this is exactly where problem lies. It is not "how dare you bring someone in to challenge me" Problem is the fact there is no actual competition now at club re keepers. Its case of spent 10 million on a keeper, he signed as verbally promised number 1, as stated you wont get that in any contract and Watson wanted him, as see's him as his pet project for England. If Forster had to compete to be number 1 the whole situation would never have arisen Competition in any job we all want. Makes us better. Knowing you can never prove yourself better due to someone in same role being bosses pet are two different things if your ambitious and want to keep doing well in your career, not stuck while your talent rots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 I still think Boruc was partly to blame for that goal against Stoke. Yes, there were slightly mitigating circumstances with the conditions. But, the ball was travelling for 13 seconds over 91m. The majority of that time/distance the ball would have been in sight (if Boruc was looking at the ball). IMO, that gives ample time for Boruc to have watched the ball, tracked the flight and either come to the ball or retreat back to goal. It seemed he wasn't paying attention, and when the ball actually came close (it was left by the CBs as there was no challenging attacker, and this is what they will do 95% of the time in that situation) he was in no position to do anything about it. That doesn't make AB a bad keeper, far from it. By and large he has been a very good performer for Saints and has arguably saved more points than he lost. There are some other goals I would question his role in, Arsenal (away) being the most obvious, Sunderland (away) possibly, maybe Stoke (home) just off the top of my head. Counter that, he made amazing saves versus Utd (away - this was actually one of the best saves I have ever seen) though we still lost the game, the Pen save v Norwich and I think a save against Swansea (home) last season which kept us ahead when the game was tight. I don't know the full situation of what has gone on behind closed doors, but certainly from the outside it does look to the average fan that this is a very well-paid adult throwing a bit of a tantrum about another player taking his place. That, is pretty much football, and I'm sure he is still happy to pick up his paycheque. I do like Artur, and think we would have been a lot worse off without him the past season and a half. But we now have another keeper who seems perfectly competent. If AB gets his head down and challenges I will be very happy. We will have two very good keepers challenging for the #1 spot. If not, it is disappointing as despite spending a significant sum on a keeper we are effectively in the same position as last year. This was always likely to be an issue, as many on here did speculate that AB may not be too happy about another GK being bought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 Think this is exactly where problem lies. It is not "how dare you bring someone in to challenge me" Problem is the fact there is no actual competition now at club re keepers. Its case of spent 10 million on a keeper, he signed as verbally promised number 1, as stated you wont get that in any contract and Watson wanted him, as see's him as his pet project for England. If Forster had to compete to be number 1 the whole situation would never have arisen Competition in any job we all want. Makes us better. Knowing you can never prove yourself better due to someone in same role being bosses pet are two different things if your ambitious and want to keep doing well in your career, not stuck while your talent rots You've got to be Mr Boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 I was there and it was a freak of nature - it could only really have happened at The Britannia stadium. Boruc is a top class keeper and I wonder why people are on his case. Was there too. The way the ball accelerated as it hit the ground and the wind picked up was a complete fluke. One of those you-had-to-be-there-to-understand-it moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 You've got to be Mr Boruc. I repeat, I'd be very surprised if this was the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 September, 2014 Share Posted 8 September, 2014 I was there and it was a freak of nature - it could only really have happened at The Britannia stadium. Except it also happened at Easter Road (or wherever Hibs were playing about 3 weeks ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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