Artur Boruc brief interview

[Saint-Armstrong]

Artur Boruc visited Legia Warsaw today whilst on international duty, and an English version of their official Twitter account has posted the following.

 

 

 

 

 

 

'I've always said that I would like to come back to @LegiaWarszawa someday and nothing has changed about that.'

 

'I'll try my best if I get a chance to fight for the place in @SouthamptonFC squad. I haven't had it so far.'

 

'I'm not a @LegiaWarszawa icon. I'm just a supporter who plays football.'

 

'The ball's in Legia's court. Of course I'd like to play here again.'

[angelman]

Fair enough really. Especially if he is a supporter.

[angelman]

...but, would he expect to walk in and automatically be #1 replacing Dusan Kuciak between the sticks, or would he go as a #2 and work to see who was best?

[KingdomCome]

Saying that he hasn't been given a chance to fight for a place here. It's been fairly obvious that that's how he felt, but a bit discouraging to hear it said so unequivocally.

 

I just can't see Koeman refusing to allow Boruc a place if he is genuinely better. I presume he is just on the naughty step just now after reacting badly to poorly chosen words by Koeman.

[Whitey Grandad]

'Hasn't had a chance'? He won't get one either until he knuckles down and gets on with his job.

[KingdomCome]

'Hasn't had a chance'? He won't get one either until he knuckles down and gets on with his job.

 

I think there's a very subtle difference between not being given a chance and not being given a chance to fight for a place. The latter suggests no matter what is done, the place is not open.

[Andy Durman]

I think he's brilliant and one of a kind. You need characters in life.

[Lets B Avenue]

I assume "Irene" is also in Poland.

[Patrick Bateman]

She's in Italy still, surely?

[Sour Mash]

I think he's brilliant and one of a kind. You need characters in life.

What, in particular, do you find brilliant about his character?

[IOWSaintDaz]

What, in particular, do you find brilliant about his character?

 

Bet it's the Charlie and Vodka

[Jonnyboy]

Bet it's the Charlie and Vodka

 

God Id love a bit of both now #longday

[Colinjb]

Fair comment. Hope he does fight to try and wouldn't grudge him a move to his home club.

[Professor]

Although Boruk hasn't been with Southampton for long, he came here just when we needed him and apart from one especially ill-judged attempt at playing CB in the penalty area, has done an excellent job for us. Inevitably, age is beginning to count against him and the competition he is now faced with for the GK spot is substantial. He could take over from Kelvin as No.2, have a few games a year, and stay here for several more years but if he decides to fight against Old Father Time somewhere else, he deserves to wished Good Luck, as it won't be easy.

[angelman]

I think there's a very subtle difference between not being given a chance and not being given a chance to fight for a place. The latter suggests no matter what is done, the place is not open.

 

I can't agree with this or your view that it was poorly chosen words by Koeman.

 

He stated that he wanted to go, and Koeman said that that was fine and that if he was still here come deadline day, then things would be looked at again. Up until then, there was no point giving the reserve spot to someone who didn't plan to be here come 1st Sept. I can see nothing wrong with that. He wasn't excluded from the club, was training as per usual, just not considered for selection due to HIS stance. Now that he is still with us, unless he goes out before the loan window closes, it will be interesting to see whether he makes the bench over KD and PG. It should be remembered that he has a contract with the club, and the club have not broken that at all and it is Boruc who wanted to rip it up.

[the saint in winchester]

Saying that he hasn't been given a chance to fight for a place here. It's been fairly obvious that that's how he felt, but a bit discouraging to hear it said so unequivocally.

 

I just can't see Koeman refusing to allow Boruc a place if he is genuinely better. I presume he is just on the naughty step just now after reacting badly to poorly chosen words by Koeman.

 

That agrees with what I was told. That the GK coach has told RK that he should be 5th choice after FF, KD, PG and CC. I don't put a lot of credence to my source, though. He should be vying with FF for the shirt, IMHO.

[the saint in winchester]

I think there's a very subtle difference between not being given a chance and not being given a chance to fight for a place. The latter suggests no matter what is done, the place is not open.

 

See my post above. Seems - if my source is correct - he is being frozen out, put on the naughty step, so no matter how good he is in training, he won't get a chance. Give him a chance, FF goes down in instalments, AB is better down low.

[SNSUN]

He's in the last year of his contract isn't he? He hasn't got long left here, I hope he can be professional until then. He was a good addition for us as he strengthened the keeper position and didn't cost anything, but Forster is the future. My biggest hope is that when Boruc does go, we are able to sign a good back up keeper and not have of rely on the awful Gazzaniga. (Unless by some miracle he does come good.)

[sentry]

If he has been frozen out it must be for a reason. RK would not freeze out a player just for the sake of it. Maybe RK or the club over-reacted to something he did but it must have started from somewhere.

[The9]

If he has been frozen out it must be for a reason. RK would not freeze out a player just for the sake of it. Maybe RK or the club over-reacted to something he did but it must have started from somewhere.

 

Well obviously it started when Boruc didn't like being replaced as first choice keeper by Forster.

[david in sweden]

'Hasn't had a chance'? He won't get one either until he knuckles down and gets on with his job.

 

think about it......no matter how well he plays in training, there's no way that he'll get back to no.1 spot .......unless Forster makes a real c*ck-up in several games, or gets a serious injury.

 

Surely paying £10 million for a 26 y.o. keeper, is a sign that a 34 y.o .....is on the way out. NOTED: Boruc's contract goes out next summer.

[The9]

What, in particular, do you find brilliant about his character?

 

I expect it'll be his hilarious sense of humour... Titanic Ice Bucket challenge, ahahahahahaha, no-one in the city where the football club he plays for is located could possibly be offended by that...

[The9]

think about it......no matter how well he plays in training, there's no way that he'll get back to no.1 spot .......unless Forster makes a real c*ck-up in several games, or gets a serious injury.

 

Surely paying £10 million for a 26 y.o. keeper, is a sign that a 34 y.o .....is on the way out. NOTED: Boruc's contract goes out next summer.

 

And if he's not putting in the effort in training he won't be getting it back even IF "Forster makes a real c*ck-up in several games, or gets a serious injury". That's kind of the point, it's his job to be at the top of his abilities in case the people who are paying him need to call on him. Otherwise players would all get paid on a match only basis.

[Faz]

That agrees with what I was told. That the GK coach has told RK that he should be 5th choice after FF, KD, PG and CC. I don't put a lot of credence to my source, though. He should be vying with FF for the shirt, IMHO.

 

Currently I'd put him 6th, behind Morgan.

[Chez]

is he suggesting Forster has a `must play if fit' type contract (do those actually exist?) meaning Boruc can't possibly dislodge him?

[buctootim]

if my source is correct - he is being frozen out, put on the naughty step, so no matter how good he is in training, he won't get a chance. Give him a chance, FF goes down in instalments, AB is better down low.

 

If AB were really unwanted and bering frozen out he would have been sold in the window. You can argue his dumping as number 1 was harsh, but he is 34 and in the last year of his contract. It makes long term sense to get FF established with Boruc as backup. Agree about FF getting down to balls though - can see us conceding a lot from daisy cutters.

[irene]

is he suggesting Forster has a `must play if fit' type contract (do those actually exist?) meaning Boruc can't possibly dislodge him?

 

Exactly

[The9]

is he suggesting Forster has a `must play if fit' type contract (do those actually exist?) meaning Boruc can't possibly dislodge him?

 

Exactly

 

Well you could have said that 3 weeks ago and saved us hours' worth of typing.

[The9]

Question now is "why would he think that would change"? "It hasn't happened SO FAR" suggests he thinks it might, if it's contractual it won't.

[angelman]

If AB were really unwanted and bering frozen out he would have been sold in the window. You can argue his dumping as number 1 was harsh, but he is 34 and in the last year of his contract. It makes long term sense to get FF established with Boruc as backup. Agree about FF getting down to balls though - can see us conceding a lot from daisy cutters.

 

Is it any different than what happened at Chelsea? Might be similar (but the reverse when considering age) with Valdes going to Liverpool.

[derry]

If Forster is out injured we'd be bloody mad to play anybody but Boruc in goal. Never mind who subs, when push comes to shove Boruc has to play.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

is he suggesting Forster has a `must play if fit' type contract (do those actually exist?) meaning Boruc can't possibly dislodge him?

 

Exactly

 

Like Guly?!

 

[Whitey Grandad]

think about it......no matter how well he plays in training, there's no way that he'll get back to no.1 spot .......unless Forster makes a real c*ck-up in several games, or gets a serious injury.

 

Surely paying £10 million for a 26 y.o. keeper, is a sign that a 34 y.o .....is on the way out. NOTED: Boruc's contract goes out next summer.

 

That's right, he's number 2 because Forster is the better keeper, but Boruc is being well-paid to be available if needed and if he's not prepared to accept that somebody else might actually be the better choice then he'll have to find a number 1 spot at another club, if anybody will have him.

[angelman]

is he suggesting Forster has a `must play if fit' type contract (do those actually exist?) meaning Boruc can't possibly dislodge him?

 

Exactly

 

 

I doubt those type of contracts exist. It would be extremely foolish of the club to do it as it would expose them to all sorts of problems, and I am not sure that any club is that foolish to do that.

 

As it is "Irene", pray tell how you know what is in Forster's contract?

[irene]

I doubt those type of contracts exist. It would be extremely foolish of the club to do it as it would expose them to all sorts of problems, and I am not sure that any club is that foolish to do that.

 

As it is "Irene", pray tell how you know what is in Forster's contract?

 

Only reason he agreed to sign. Condition he was first choice

[Turkish]

Like Guly?!

 

 

15 minutes minimum when he was fit and available for selection

 

FACT

[Turkish]

Only reason he agreed to sign. Condition he was first choice

 

How do you know this Irene? Was it reported in the Verona gazette?

[sentry]

Im sorry Irene, but that is a load of bull. You do not know the terms of Forsters contract, nor do those terms exist in any contract in world football.

[doggface]

fwiw I do not think Irene is saying FF has it stiputlated in his contract that he is 1st choice, but a gentleman's agreement from Dave Watson & coaching staff at the time FF signed.

[Weston Saint]

I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would.

 

The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract.

 

How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request!

[doggface]

I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would.

 

The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract.

 

How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request!

 

Good points W.S & welcome back to the forum

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would.

 

The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract.

 

How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request!

 

No disrespect to you whatsoever sir, but of course they don't bloody exist. AS you say, it would be utterly mad to do so.

[KingdomCome]

I can't agree with this or your view that it was poorly chosen words by Koeman.

 

He stated that he wanted to go, and Koeman said that that was fine and that if he was still here come deadline day, then things would be looked at again. Up until then, there was no point giving the reserve spot to someone who didn't plan to be here come 1st Sept. I can see nothing wrong with that. He wasn't excluded from the club, was training as per usual, just not considered for selection due to HIS stance. Now that he is still with us, unless he goes out before the loan window closes, it will be interesting to see whether he makes the bench over KD and PG. It should be remembered that he has a contract with the club, and the club have not broken that at all and it is Boruc who wanted to rip it up.

 

The words I was referring to are that FF is first choice upon signing. Maybe should have said that he will be selecting the best keeper he has available. AB made ham-fisted noises that he wanted to leave after being told FF was taking his place. I'm not saying this was the way he should have reacted, but imho it was caused by the words chosen by Koeman.

 

The difference I'm pointing out is that "not being given a chance" means he hasn't been selected yet. "Not being given the chance to fight for a place" means no matter what he does he will not be selected.

Edited 5 September, 2014 by KingdomCome

[irene]

fwiw I do not think Irene is saying FF has it stiputlated in his contract that he is 1st choice, but a gentleman's agreement from Dave Watson & coaching staff at the time FF signed.

 

Correct

[Dalek2003]

I feel sorry for Boruc. Being paid for doing nothing must be very stressful.

[CB Fry]

fwiw I do not think Irene is saying FF has it stiputlated in his contract that he is 1st choice, but a gentleman's agreement from Dave Watson & coaching staff at the time FF signed.

When signing a goalkeeper for ten million pounds you don't even need a gentleman's agreement. Of course he's the bloody first choice.

[doggface]

When signing a goalkeeper for ten million pounds you don't even need a gentleman's agreement. Of course he's the bloody first choice.

 

Lol, of course but I'm sure it would have come up in conversation. Have to say I have been very impressed so far, especially in distribution which is a huge upgrade.

[Toadhall Saint]

I spoke to former director of Saints on Wednesday and mentioned contracts involving guaranteed first team and he said they just do not exist. It would be madness to include such a condition and no club would.

 

The Management may decide the player is an automatic pick but it will not be in his contract.

 

How come no one came in for Boruc during the transfer window! How come he did not put in a transfer request!

 

Would be absolute madness.

 

Welcome back

[Mr X]

At Borucs stage of his career he needs to be number one don't blame him for looking elsewhere especially as he lost his place through no fault of his own and forster (who has done pretty good) didn't have to earn his place in the team, it should have been boruc's place to loose

[Batman]

At Borucs stage of his career he needs to be number one don't blame him for looking elsewhere especially as he lost his place through no fault of his own and forster (who has done pretty good) didn't have to earn his place in the team, it should have been boruc's place to loose

 

Boruc did lose it by making mental mistakes last season.