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angelman

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I wouldn't take much notice. These "journalists" have preconceived ideas and go with it. It's trite and unimaginative and reinforced by the company that we are included with. Chelsea, United, Barcelona, Dortmund, Atletico, Monaco, Real, Juve and Milan. Fairly august company to be mingling with and they say there is no such thing as bad publicity!!!!!

 

The same article says United were winners, starting off by saying that they have failed to strengthen in key areas but signed some classy players and that they were one CB short of a perfect summer. I am not sure you will find anyone in this country who would agree with that. What they also haven;t mentioned is that they signed only left sided players, so they are going to have a decent left side!! And also, Rojo, will be interesting to see if he ever gets a work permit!!

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Wes Tender

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It's an American television channel, what do they know about football if they have to call it soccer? Maybe they haven't had time to process the impact of the signings on 1st September yet. Maybe it hasn't registered that despite losing our influential manager, that we appointed an even more influential manager as his replacement. Their opinions on other teams at the top of the European game show them up for the ignorant Yanks that they are. They probably couldn't even place Madrid or Milan on a map of Europe, so why would they know much about their football teams?

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What an awful article that is.

 

How can Man Utd be classed as winners, yet Real Madrid classed as losers? What are they on about here?

 

Man Utd signed a couple of 'sexy' players in positions they didn't need, and they still have the ****ty midfield and defence from last year. Winners indeed.

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I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush Wes.

 

Yes Fox are idiots (especially their studio with Barton and Wynalda - clueless) but on the flip side NBC are absolutely superb. Way, way better than ITV and BBC and better than Sky (when I left the UK 4 years ago but can't comment now).

 

The coverage on NBC is outstanding and they know what they are talking about - admittedly it is pretty much an English studio.

 

Fox were a joke when they had Premiership coverage and they are an even bigger joke now.

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Always funny when Yanks talk about "soccer"

 

Personally, I've never understood why people take the **** out of this all the time. The term soccer always used to get used quite a bit here when I was growing up (a while ago admittedly!) There were TV programmes called Soccer Special, sticker albums called Soccer Stars '80, etc. It's just an abbreviation for association football, which must be a term originating from over here.

 

In fact, come to think of it, there's still a reasonably well known programme called Soccer Saturday on Sky!

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I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush Wes.

 

Yes Fox are idiots (especially their studio with Barton and Wynalda - clueless) but on the flip side NBC are absolutely superb. Way, way better than ITV and BBC and better than Sky (when I left the UK 4 years ago but can't comment now).

 

The coverage on NBC is outstanding and they know what they are talking about - admittedly it is pretty much an English studio.

 

Fox were a joke when they had Premiership coverage and they are an even bigger joke now.

 

Thank you Wash. Most Americans are Man U fans because it's all they've ever really shown here. Before last season I paid $25/Month to watch Hooiveld and company, now it's free. We even get Championship footie too! It's the same reason people wear Yankee hats, and aren't the 49ers big in the UK? It's all they've shown on TV.

 

That article is written to pander to those schmucks.

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Wes Tender

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Personally, I've never understood why people take the **** out of this all the time. The term soccer always used to get used quite a bit here when I was growing up (a while ago admittedly!) There were TV programmes called Soccer Special, sticker albums called Soccer Stars '80, etc. It's just an abbreviation for association football, which must be a term originating from over here.

 

In fact, come to think of it, there's still a reasonably well known programme called Soccer Saturday on Sky!

 

Have a look at the titles you have mentioned and then tell me if you notice anything particular about them. Soccer Special, Soccer Stars, Soccer Saturday on Sky?

 

They are all alliterative. Now wrack your brains and try and come up with something sexy to go with football. Fabulous or fantasy maybe, but nothing particularly appropriate. Maybe if the matches were on Friday, Football Friday perhaps.

 

The Yanks call it Soccer so as to distinguish it from their own football and the name has gained more credence from that than the archaic connection with Association Football.

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I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush Wes.

 

Yes Fox are idiots (especially their studio with Barton and Wynalda - clueless) but on the flip side NBC are absolutely superb. Way, way better than ITV and BBC and better than Sky (when I left the UK 4 years ago but can't comment now).

 

The coverage on NBC is outstanding and they know what they are talking about - admittedly it is pretty much an English studio.

 

Fox were a joke when they had Premiership coverage and they are an even bigger joke now.

 

I spent some time in Seattle a few years back and the kids were crazy about playing "soccer" in the park - but there wasnt much on TV. Do you think it will ever be as big as American Football and baseball over there?

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I spent some time in Seattle a few years back and the kids were crazy about playing "soccer" in the park - but there wasnt much on TV. Do you think it will ever be as big as American Football and baseball over there?

 

Its definitely growing in schools - in part because of the increasing latin population and in part because its easier to teach and needs less equipment intensive than American football. Also as you say its easier to have an informal kickabout outside school than the equivalent for baseball or gridiron.

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I spent some time in Seattle a few years back and the kids were crazy about playing "soccer" in the park - but there wasnt much on TV. Do you think it will ever be as big as American Football and baseball over there?

 

Seattle Sounders averaged 44k people per home match last year so it's bigger than you think. As Wash mentioned, NBC has brought Premier League coverage to the mainstream. You can watch every game for free at home. I even went to a packed pub to watch the FA Cup final a few months ago. It's big and getting bigger (that's what she said).

 

With the cruise ships coming in and out of Southampton, they'll be busing Americans to St Marys for authentic English soccer. McDonalds every where! Har har har, our plan is coming together.

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Not quite sure why the fuss about this.. It's says nothing that is moot true... We finished 8th and then lost most of that side and MP, that we have replaced with signings that have done well in other leagues, but will need to show they can deliver in the prem... So we will need some luck.. Which I take to mean we must hope these new players are able to adapt to ten prem and deliver as well as those who have departed... What's so wrong with that ?

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Soccer in the US as big as American football or baseball.......not in our lifetimes I think! here in the DC area it is very popular and the kids soccer coaching is outstanding - especially for girls. Portland and Seattle are well supported in the MLS (which is dire and none of my American friends watch it but do watch the NBC coverage).

 

Since NBC have been showing the Prem more and more people in my area have been talking about Saints as they now get the chance to watch them and last season there was a buzz about Saints with the style we played.

 

Be interesting to see if Saints do a US pre-season tour next year.

 

But Fox was, and always will be - including for baseball - absolutely awful.

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Seattle Sounders averaged 44k people per home match last year so it's bigger than you think. As Wash mentioned, NBC has brought Premier League coverage to the mainstream. You can watch every game for free at home. I even went to a packed pub to watch the FA Cup final a few months ago. It's big and getting bigger (that's what she said).

 

With the cruise ships coming in and out of Southampton, they'll be busing Americans to St Marys for authentic English soccer. McDonalds every where! Har har har, our plan is coming together.

 

Southampton Redsox, it's the future.

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Just underlines American knowledge of football really, I remember a F.A. Cup final I watched in the states on E.S.P.N, the presenter called the two guardsmen in red tunics and bear skins carrying the cup onto the pitch as "beef Eaters"

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I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush Wes.

 

Yes Fox are idiots (especially their studio with Barton and Wynalda - clueless) but on the flip side NBC are absolutely superb. Way, way better than ITV and BBC and better than Sky (when I left the UK 4 years ago but can't comment now).

 

The coverage on NBC is outstanding and they know what they are talking about - admittedly it is pretty much an English studio.

 

Fox were a joke when they had Premiership coverage and they are an even bigger joke now.

 

This, this and more this. 'Soccer' following varies hugely on a regional basis in the US, but NBC's generally excellent coverage has raised the profile as well as making all games so much more available. Now it's not about trying to make money from the few die-hard immigrant fans, it's actually about making it available because they know it's a good product and WILL in time be able to sell advertising very well.

 

That said, nobody here in Louisiana cares. All Saints fans here, but it's the wrong Saints. And the wrong football. Everything else is all ducks and beards and stuff.

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We don't actually know if they're wrong yet do we? We lost five players and a manager that we know for sure would do very well with us, we also had one or two other players left unsettled. That much we know. We hope that we've got in decent replacements that will work out and that will do a good job this season. Ramirez and Osvaldo were both considered widely to be a "class above" when they started their first seasons with us, but neither worked out. That could end up being the same with Tadic, Pelle or any of the others.

 

So somebody's opinion that we've lost out this window could be right, could be wrong.

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Lord Duckhunter

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I lived and worked in FLA 25 years ago and there were plenty of " Americans" that got it and understood it. Most were second generation immigrants or illegals , but the local league was competitive and the state cup an extremely high standard ( we reached the semi final twice). It was starting to take off amongst the middle class whites , one reason being parents feeling it was safer than gridiron. If it ever took off within the poor and African American communities, then they really could be world beaters . I guess , basketball is just as simple and cheap to play so I doubt it ever will.

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Soccer in the US as big as American football or baseball.......not in our lifetimes I think! here in the DC area it is very popular and the kids soccer coaching is outstanding - especially for girls. Portland and Seattle are well supported in the MLS (which is dire and none of my American friends watch it but do watch the NBC coverage).

 

Since NBC have been showing the Prem more and more people in my area have been talking about Saints as they now get the chance to watch them and last season there was a buzz about Saints with the style we played.

 

Be interesting to see if Saints do a US pre-season tour next year.

 

But Fox was, and always will be - including for baseball - absolutely awful.

 

I agree with that. It's never going to be as big a spectator sport - either in the stadiums or in the bars / at home as the traditional American sports.

 

As I always say though, the people who ARE into soccer are extremely passionate about it. Some even call it football. Yes it's funny to hear the pronounciations but they really are well educated on European 'soccer'. It'll keep growing now more people have access to watching games on NBC for free, and like a couple have said it's huge with kids as a sport to play.

 

The standard of MLS has got better in the last few years but still isn't great, but if you're a fan you're still going to watch your team. We still went to watch Saints in league one, it's not like they have an alternative over here. Seattle average a huge crowd and my own adopted Portland Timbers sell out every match in their 20,000 stadium. We don't have an NFL or a Major League Baseball team so it's actually a pretty big deal in what is a fairly small city.

 

Fox sports though, bunch of morons. Extremely happy they don't have Premier League and F1 anymore.

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There is an error in the Fox report that it doesn't mention Rickie Lambert as a key player. A striker in the England squad for the World Cup and still in the latest England squad must qualify Rickie as a key player, but also, it was the sale of Lambert against stated club policy whilst there was no manager in place that kicked off the trouble. Would the team be stronger with Shaw instead of Bertrand and with Lovren instead of Gardos? Arguably it would. The club have made the best of a bad job with replacements they have found and they certainly did the right thing in calling off the sale of Schneiderlin in face of the adverse publicity. Tadic is looking good in place of Lallana and Pelle may be a step up on the aging Lambert added to which there may be less reliance on teenagers as squad palyers. But we can't know if this team will be equal to the one that was largely dismantled until more results start coming in.

There won't be a single Saints' fan who doesn't want the team to succeed which is why a lot of the arguing on this forum is sad because there is little disagreement about the players or the manager but there are disputes over the actions of the board who may have reached the current situation more by accident than design.

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There is an error in the Fox report that it doesn't mention Rickie Lambert as a key player. A striker in the England squad for the World Cup and still in the latest England squad must qualify Rickie as a key player, but also, it was the sale of Lambert against stated club policy whilst there was no manager in place that kicked off the trouble. Would the team be stronger with Shaw instead of Bertrand and with Lovren instead of Gardos? Arguably it would. The club have made the best of a bad job with replacements they have found and they certainly did the right thing in calling off the sale of Schneiderlin in face of the adverse publicity. Tadic is looking good in place of Lallana and Pelle may be a step up on the aging Lambert added to which there may be less reliance on teenagers as squad palyers. But we can't know if this team will be equal to the one that was largely dismantled until more results start coming in.

There won't be a single Saints' fan who doesn't want the team to succeed which is why a lot of the arguing on this forum is sad because there is little disagreement about the players or the manager but there are disputes over the actions of the board who may have reached the current situation more by accident than design.

 

The Fox article somehow managed not to mention that we had acquired the Koeman brothers to replace Pochetino, not that it would have occurred to them that that might be factor to be weighed up in the balance of how we have done during the Summer transfer dealings. Credit to the board for that appointment.

 

But for a refreshingly different viewpoint to theirs, this makes interesting reading:-

 

http://www.cityam.com/1409680422/crisis-what-crisis-southampton-are-premier-leagues-biggest-transfer-window-earners

 

Now, you might conclude that we have reached our current situation more by accident than by design, but it is eminently possible that the ridiculous amounts of money paid for those players who left, led the board to anticipate the sort of outcome that is portrayed by this article. Although some like you feel that those players might not have been adequately replaced, many are happy that they have been, leaving about £30 million or so spare to either strengthen further in January, or to settle expenditure on the Academy rebuilding. One might even argue that on the basis of this article, that in terms of sustainability financially, we are the best run club in the PL and most of our fans are confident that we also have a squad and manager capable of getting us at least half way up the table if not further.

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Funny seeing Milan there. They may have sold Ballotelli, but they'be brought in Bonaventura (who was quality at Atlanta), Diego López, Pablo Armero, Rami, Alex, Torres and Jérémy Ménez. They might want to keep "losing" these transfers windows :lol:

 

I think that sums up Fox Sport's credibility.

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I would give more credibility to the things mental patients write on cell walls in their own feces than anything published by Fox.

 

True enough but there is less of an opportunity to read the feces writing since the mental patients lack a web site.

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I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush Wes.

 

Yes Fox are idiots (especially their studio with Barton and Wynalda - clueless) but on the flip side NBC are absolutely superb. Way, way better than ITV and BBC and better than Sky (when I left the UK 4 years ago but can't comment now).

 

The coverage on NBC is outstanding and they know what they are talking about - admittedly it is pretty much an English studio.

 

Fox were a joke when they had Premiership coverage and they are an even bigger joke now.

 

And Fox now has the American rights to the next two world cups which, as an American, is not something to which I am looking forward. And, apparently, I am not alone. http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/07/16/what-will-fox-sports-world-cup-coverage-look-like/

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Not quite sure why the fuss about this.. It's says nothing that is moot true... We finished 8th and then lost most of that side and MP' date=' that we have replaced with signings that have done well in other leagues, but will need to show they can deliver in the prem... So we will need some luck.. Which I take to mean we must hope these new players are able to adapt to ten prem and deliver as well as those who have departed... What's so wrong with that ?[/quote']

 

I think the problem is that it takes a amazing lack of awareness to be unable to find 5 teams that are in worse shape than we are as a result of this transfer window. And viewing MU's window as a success just seems strange to me.

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I think the problem is that it takes a amazing lack of awareness to be unable to fine 5 teams that are in worse shape than we are as a result of this transfer window. And viewing MU's window as a success just seems strange to me.

 

So far Van Gaal has spent £85m per point and we've spent £15m. One team's been REALLY successful with their transfer dealings...

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What's the difference between America and a yoghurt?

 

If you leave a yoghurt alone for 200 years it develops a culture...

 

I used to live there and I can't think of many countries on Earth with a more diverse culture. I know not all of it is good and a lot of their history centres around killing the natives but it's not as bland as places like Belgium.

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