Why do some transfers take SO long ?

[david in sweden]

This is an angry question that seems to turn-up on this site every time there is a transfer window, and Saints may appear to be slow on the uptake. I've looked at this q. closer during the summer.

I'm quoting a well-reputed agent (interviewed on SSN), and Niall Quinn (former Sund'land player later Chairman) on Sky TV yesterday morning).

 

Firstly, we see that July / early August activity is very small compared with final figures. Of course, it's business ...and so both club and player's agent want the best deal they can get.

Some disreputable agents / a number of clubs are quick to " move the goalposts "....(quite appropriate phrase here) and may up the price / wage demands whether there is one bidder or several.

I had heard that Wanyama's agent(s) pushed on the fee claiming that Cardiff had also made a bid for Victor - (which Cardiff later denied they ever had). We ended up bidding against ourselves.

 

(AGENT) said some deals can take several months to conclude from the first enquiry to the final signing. Lots of other factors besides money. Can be ...family, location and other players in team.

The player may need persuading / time to think about move / help or harm to international career, if they move to another land and end up on the new club's bench instead of the team sheet.

 

(QUINN) was very enlightening. Contacting the player - especially during the holiday period or (as this year) when there's a summer tournament isn't always easy - and getting him to agree might seem the next logical step, but sometimes it's very public (in media) but other times can be done in absolute secrecy, but he added that many transfers can be a minefield of problems.

 

If a foreign player is involved.. there could be upto SIX different forms to sign. New club / old club / FA / UEFA even FIFA ..not to mention work permits, international qualifications etc.

The medical is important of course, and that can take time...(depending on who /where it's taken). Players do back out of a deal - even at the eleventh hour, or can't agree personal terms (greed).

Many other people can be involved, and it's very rarely just a question of; a smile, a quick chat with the manager, agreeing a salary, a handshake and signing on the dotted line.

 

Quinn quoted a couple of " horror stories " that occured with transfer bids that didn't work out, but the funniest was a foreign deal that failed - because neither the player, or his agent knew how to work the fax machine, and couldn't transmit the completed paperwork in time.

Sky reported one deal that failed because the agent - so busy driving back and forth to different clubs - ran out of petrol on the motorway ..

 

Whilst we see some clubs go for (but not always get) their targetted players early on) ..Saints signings came in spasms with the last two only signing in the final hours. Better late than never.

 

As we have seen in previous years.... 'appy 'arry makes a speciality of signing people (often his old players) ..on the last day, (this year at QPR).

 

I found the whole process both fascinating and confusing - but quite enlightening, and I hope that some people reading this might be dissuaded from threatening to burn themselves, along with their season ticket in the car park at St.Mary's - if we haven't made all of our summer signings by July 2nd next year.

[sadoldgit]

I always assumed that transfers took ages for all clubs so not sure why anyone assumes that they are done in hours. I am sure that there are some done quickly but once agents became involved you can see why it is in their interest to keep things bubbling away for as long as possible. I loved the story about us bidding against ourselves but surely that is misconduct on behalf of the agent?

[angelman]

I would say it was tactical. Announce it and then maybe the world and their agent thinks that we have players spare and that they can move.

[alpine_saint]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

[Ohio Saint]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

 

 

Um....this thread was pretty much made for you, as you are always asking this question......Now you are saying you knew the answer all the time?

[ThorpG]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

 

Why is that then? Because the transfers were protracted and difficult? But so was Wanyama's and that seems to have worked out fine. Whereas the Taider deal looked very quick and easy yet was a farce. Presumably now Ramirez and Osvaldo have been loaned out elsewhere you can let this drop for a while...

[sadoldgit]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

 

I am sure you are right about Rickie's move. I expect he would have signed anything they put in front of him and £4 is loose change for Liverpool. Sadly for Rickie though it looks like he will be more of a fan than a player.

[david in sweden]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

 

 

I'm inclined to agree Alpine, One has to think they were " found " through Cortese's network, but the "powder-puff " style you sometime see in Italy, isn't good preparation against tough Prem.sides.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

I am sure it depends on the will of all the parties involved. I also think this has an impact on the success of the transfer.

 

Just as an example, I would argue the writing was on the wall with Ramirez and Osvaldo before they even walked on a pitch for us.

 

Shocker. A transfer involving an Englishman, with a move to the club he grew up supporting in his hometown took less time than a South American, moving to a new country and requiring a work permit.

 

You work that out all by yourself?

[david in sweden]

I always assumed that transfers took ages for all clubs so not sure why anyone assumes that they are done in hours. I am sure that there are some done quickly but once agents became involved you can see why it is in their interest to keep things bubbling away for as long as possible.

 

I loved the story about us bidding against ourselves but surely that is misconduct on behalf of the agent?

 

 

That's what I thought , but it was mooted a long time after the event and Victor was already a success, so perhaps nobody cared too much?.

[david in sweden]

I am sure you are right about Rickie's move. I expect he would have signed anything they put in front of him and £4 is loose change for Liverpool.

Sadly for Rickie though it looks like he will be more of a fan than a player.

 

Perhaps £4 million is too... judging by more recent signings.

[sadoldgit]

Genious on behalf of the agent and at least that is one less dodgy b*gger selling second hand cars!!!

[sadoldgit]

Perhaps £4 million is too... judging by more recent signings.

 

What is a m between friends?

[david in sweden]

Why is that then? Because the transfers were protracted and difficult? But so was Wanyama's and that seems to have worked out fine.

Whereas the Taider deal looked very quick and easy yet was a farce. Presumably now Ramirez and Osvaldo have been loaned out elsewhere you can let this drop for a while...

 

 

tbf....I thought it was a bit too fast. Inter probably looked at the commitment for Osvaldo and (maybe) Taider wasn't living upto their expectations (?) , he obviously didn't meet ours...

 

...and it was a case of ONE IN-ONE OUT for them. They are surely a bit miffed that it didn't work out, but we did the sensible thing and must be glad the two deals weren't " connected " in any way.

[david in sweden]

What is a m between friends?

 

exactly my thought old friend......by the way, can you lend me a million, or......?

[sadoldgit]

exactly my thought old friend......by the way, can you lend me a million, or......?

 

Nice try!!!

[Toadhall Saint]

I'm starting to think that Sky want it this way to boost ratings on deadline day.

[sadoldgit]

One of the longest has to be Rudi "Has He Signed Yet" Skacel

[Supersubpuckett]

I think it's the nature of negotiations, especially things as complex as people plus what we hear about or don't. The constant media speculation makes some signings appear to take longer. I certainly hope those obnoxious tw4ts at Sky don't have a say - all that yellow/black branding last night was really naff. I thought the jock totaliser man was going to shoot his load live on air at one point.

[david in sweden]

Nice try!!!

 

..so is that a NO ?....or

[Charlie Wayman]

My guess is that the sort of players we are trying to attract are probably good enough to be targets for other top eight clubs as well so understandably agents and players hope for as long as possible for the call to come from ManC, Arse. Chelski or ManU and wouldn't you in their position especially if this was your first time in the Premier League. If that strategy fails then why not Saints for a year, play well in the PL shop window and hope the bigger boys will bite next summer. Makes perfect sense. Lovren being a possible model for our future recruitment and failure to hold on to real nuggets.

[VectisSaint]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

How come? How do you know when the process started? Given he was almost sold in January. Seems to me likely that the process had already started before the end of last season when it became clear he was not a (fundamental) part of future plans.

[Batman]

How come? How do you know when the process started? Given he was almost sold in January. Seems to me likely that the process had already started before the end of last season when it became clear he was not a (fundamental) part of future plans.

 

Because lambert himself said it all happened so fast

[The9]

Because lambert himself said it all happened so fast

 

Given that it was obvious that to anyone that he'd sign for them under pretty much any circumstances, he may have been the last one to hear about it.

 

IIRC Saints were pressurised to accept the offer in a fixed timescale before the World Cup by Liverpool too.

[david in sweden]

I would argue Rickie's move is all the proof there is that some transfers go quick as lightning.

 

sounds logical perhaps..... but I'm not so sure.

 

If we think back to Rickie's debut goal v. Scotland, the later enthusiasm and his " love-in " with fellow Scouser Steven Gerrard, I would think the outcome would have been on the cards for quite a while.

 

Pochettino's defection just probably hastened the whole thing.......