saint-ross Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Gaston on his way out? http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/27/sevilla-in-advanced-talks-with-southampton-over-gaston-ramirez-loan/157052/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Gaston on his way out? http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/27/sevilla-in-advanced-talks-with-southampton-over-gaston-ramirez-loan/157052/ Would be a pretty stupid decision unless we have a like for like replacement coming in. Belhanda please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be a pretty stupid decision unless we have a like for like replacement coming in. Belhanda please! In my random FM game the other day, I signed Belhanda. Based on what he did in that game in 1 season, (13 assists, 18 goals) then I think he'd be a great signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 For what it's worth, if Gaston does leave you'd have to assume that it's a fairly large % taken off the wage bill for the season. I like Gaston and feel he has ability, but you must admit, he gets better by not playing. . I think we're all a little guilty of bigging him up, when deep down we probably know he'll miss a lot of the season with knocks and injuries and frustrate as he always has done. I think he's just a fairly injury prone player, and maybe the club feel they can get someone more worthwhile to the squad as a whole whilst trimming the wage bill significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Gaston on his way out? http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/27/sevilla-in-advanced-talks-with-southampton-over-gaston-ramirez-loan/157052/ I'd be bemused if we loaned him out given how short of creative attacking options we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be pretty dumb to let Ramirez go. We needed another attacking player anyway, so now would need two. We always appear to be moving forward, and then regress, which is what loaning out Ramirez and selling Cork would be doing. Can't help from a cynical view but thinking the board will be very happy that they have removed some very big earners from the wage bill and replaced with players on far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Gaston on his way out? http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/27/sevilla-in-advanced-talks-with-southampton-over-gaston-ramirez-loan/157052/ The source of this... https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marca.com%2F2014%2F08%2F27%2Ffutbol%2Fequipos%2Fsevilla%2F1409144940.html&edit-text= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Can't help from a cynical view but thinking the board will be very happy that they have removed some very big earners from the wage bill and replaced with players on far less. Do you really think Pelle, Tadic, Long, Forster, Bertrand etc are "far less" than the players they replace? Shane Long for example was on £45,000 p/w at Hull City, I bet we gave him a pay rise after a £12m move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Be really disappointed if Ramirez leaves, think he will be excellent this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 If Ramirez is going it's strange he was at Millwall. On the other hand Boruc might be the international loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Ambivalent if Ramirez stays or goes. Technically a very good player, but never quite happened for him and tired of waiting for him to show what he can do on a consistent or regular basis. There have been too many false dawns that I suspect it is just not going to work out for him. I hope we would replace him though. If he is to leave and we get only one more in, as Guan suggests, then can't help but feel we have failed to deepen the 'roster' with the money the board have raked in. With the squad as it is, Koeman is going to have very few options on the bench to change games, and we are always going to be a couple of injuries away from a crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 David @davidjaca · 42 secs Sevilla adding another piece to their attack. Loan agreement tonight with Southampton for Gastón Ramírez, includes €6m option. #saintsfc Dat loss on the transfer fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I can understand your criticisms but if the manager restricts appearances although fit because he doesn't want to use him, that can hardly reflect on his willingness to play. He has a talent that we should be able to use and I hope Koeman uses it and Ramirez delivers. When I watched our back four and four midfielders labour on Saturday I'd take Ramirez every time. Every team needs a violinist, too many artisans don't work either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Gutted if gaston goes, bet he'd do well there. Will we replace him? I know he hasn't featured much but we are short on attacking options. Don't see the point for 6m euros. Yeah maybe 1-2m loan fee too but a few good months with us and he'd be worth a lot again. Really thought Koeman wanted to get him involved. With all the spurious rumours we have been subjected to this summer this could be another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Will we have any creative players apart from Tadic? Going to be a very tough season if the winger signing isnt an excellent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Can't see why we would do this. Don't think we need to, or should do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Why not try posting it in the Transfer Rumours Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Will we have any creative players apart from Tadic? Going to be a very tough season if the winger signing isnt an excellent player. If Tadic or S. Davis pick up a significant injury, we are really going to be in trouble in terms of creating chances. West Brom game suggests we aren't exactly bossing it in that department anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Will the last creative player turn out the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I'm sure by this time next month every time we don't win this place will be awash with posts that begin with "If we still had Ramirez..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Let him go, he is ****e. Liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Why not try posting it in the Transfer Rumours Thread Because otherwise we'll end up with 11 pages of Ramirez posts on a thread that's meant to cover all transfer news. Better to keep it separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Brilliant, let's get rid of our only natural number 10. Starting to lose a little faith. Hopefully it's a bullsh*t rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I'm ambivalent about him leaving (in terms of the qualities he offers the team) but pointless to do sanction a move if we don't have a replacement lined up. Lack of creativity in the team is a real worry. Koeman has so few options on the bench apart from switching up his central midfield players, that we'll be something of a blunt instrument should Tadic or S. Davis suffer an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Because otherwise we'll end up with 11 pages of Ramirez posts on a thread that's meant to cover all transfer news. Better to keep it separate. What? Why not just start a new rumour thread for each rumour? I'm sure that the Shane Long transfer took up a few pages. That's the point of having one thread. If a rumour takes up 11 pages then people obviously want to talk about it a lot. Strange logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 A few figures regarding Gaston's wages have been thrown about and, if they are to be believed, I wonder if that would figure into any transfer decisions. Also, it's hardly like he's starting any games and he hasn't settled. Yet, as those above have said, he's a creative player (something of a rarity at St Mary's at the moment) and has he really shown his potential? I think I would be a bit disappointed if he were to go without a new replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 At last. Pinch me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 has he gone then or is it all hear say and pant ****tng at moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I can't work this one out...if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Don't want him to go as he does seem to make stuff happen on the rare occasions he plays. http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2013-14.html says that he was our fifth-highest player in terms of goals and assists last year, behind the big three scorers and Davis. That despite hardly playing. For that stat alone I want to see him given a run in the team. But then again that won't happen because he'll be injured. Maybe we could pawn him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be gutted. I'd rather sell Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 If true it's complete madness. We struggled so much on sat for creativity. Davis and prowse not good enough in creatibe positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Would be gutted. I'd rather sell Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 At last. Pinch me !! Will you accept a slap instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 What? Why not just start a new rumour thread for each rumour? I'm sure that the Shane Long transfer took up a few pages. That's the point of having one thread. If a rumour takes up 11 pages then people obviously want to talk about it a lot. Strange logic. Well, there have been separate rumour threads about pretty much all our incoming and outgoing deals this summer. Means that the discussion is more visible from the main board as well, and you don't have to trawl through pages of discussion about one topic to find information about another on the same thread as well. I think with regards to the Long deal it was a relatively quick journey from the story breaking to him signing, but if it had run for longer before he put pen to paper there probably would've been a separate thread. Anyway, that's not really the important thing about this thread - what is important is that it looks like Gaston might be off. Has Alpine driven him away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 I can't work this one out...if it happens. Erm, he's crap, disinterested and permanently injured or en-route to/from Uruguay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Erm, he's crap, disinterested and permanently injured or en-route to/from Uruguay ? If replaced it could be a good deal. But if not its utterly pointless. We only have one genuinely creative player. Failure to add to Tadic could easily result in relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 If replaced it could be a good deal. But if not its utterly pointless. We only have one genuinely creative player. Failure to add to Tadic could easily result in relegation. I tell you what will lead to relegation. If everyone (including management) keep thinking his "creativity" will lead us to Premiership salvation. He will NEVER put in enough game time to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Koeman must be supremely confident in Ward-Prowse as a central creator. It might also be that he's planning to put Tadic in the middle - where he probably belongs - with Isgrove and a new winger competing out wide. I think I'd take that. It would be a shame to see him go though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Why not try posting it in the Transfer Rumours Thread We did, twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Hope he doesn't go. This is his year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 For me we really shouldn't be letting anyone go even if he figured in your first 11 or not,until Koeman has found his feet he should keep all his options open,Only saw Gaston in the Bournemouth game and thought he controlled the game in large parts,I feel he has never been given a fair crack at the prem by any manager,he is mostly frustrating to watch but that game against Villa at home he was unplayable in and I believe he still has it in him to show it,I just hope RK gives him a chance to show it as I think he is a hidden gem that could really come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Hope he doesn't go. This is his year! No it isn't, he needs to go to resurrect his career. Being dropped by Uruguay must have been a tipping point for him. Still it's only a Marca rumour for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Is his agent a source? He's spread a couple of rumours per window for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Is his agent a source? He's spread a couple of rumours per window for years. Pablo Betancourt spoke about Gaston's future with Saints back in the summer, said Koeman wanted to consider all the players and then make his decisions. If Gaston is allowed to go to Seville or anywhere else we'd have to assume that Koeman has decided against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Thought Gaston has looked decent in pre-season from the games I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Hopefully this is a false rumour as I can see Gaston having a big impact this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 TBH Gaston hasn't really delivered the goods since he arrived at saints. If he had left and Lallana had stayed, this summer, I doubt so many people would be bothered. Having said that he has shown glimpses of his talent while here and after the upheaval this summer we aren't exactly overrun with creative players, so to my mind, we'd have been better of keeping him at the moment. A good run in the team playing behind Pelle (instead of JWP) might have brought out the best in Gaston but ,if this rumour is true, it looks like we will never see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Let's be realistic and accept he's promised a lot and delivered very little. There's a limit to how creative a player can be when he's sat in the treatment room all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 August, 2014 Share Posted 27 August, 2014 Be really disappointed if Ramirez leaves, think he will be excellent this season. This is exactly what I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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