Koeman Reaction to Millwall Win

[Batman]

1st half bad half

2nd half much better

needed the 2nd goal much earlier

players attitude not 100% in 1st half, not good enough

Had to wake them up at HT

We celebrate Corks goal, he was very good.

we needed to change something

we tried to play Long and Pelle upfront in 1st half

had to change it, shape was wrong

Pelle worked very hard, he missed 2 or 3 good chances

crowed supported him fantastically

finally scored, hoped he will score again sat

Isgrove had problems, will find out tomorrow what the extent is

Gaston working hard to to get back to fitness. Long had cramp

Wanted to bring Gaston on earlier but only winning 1-0 it forced me to wait

we are confident for saturday, it will be very hard at the weekend

Hope to bring in players before weekend, discussing every day with board

wont talk about names, we need 1 or 2 more

[SaintAndy14]

Thanks for the comments. Hopefully we can take advantage of WHU losing at home on pens to Sheff Utd tonight. Roll on Saturday!

[Greenridge]

Audio of interview as posted by Trousers

 

@solentsport: #saintsfc boss Ronald Koeman speaks to @bigadamsport after 2-0 League Cup R2 win at Millwall https://t.co/MAKy0yfcSv/s/dMF2

[Dan Johnson]

I like Koeman, he calls it as he sees it.

 

I think its important at times for a manager to say when we play poorly, rather than sugar coat it or come up with some excuse.

[S-Clarke]

I like Koeman, he calls it as he sees it.

 

I think its important at times for a manager to say when we play poorly, rather than sugar coat it or come up with some excuse.

 

Like LVG has just done. Man Utd were unlucky apparently, and the players did their best.

[Saxon]

I like Koeman, he calls it as he sees it.

 

I think its important at times for a manager to say when we play poorly, rather than sugar coat it or come up with some excuse.

 

Well think of it like this. If you've just played a **** game and your manager says you tried your best there's nothing you could do, you'll think, crap, I'm not that good, It's not going to be easy for me to get better than that, and your confidence will drop and your form will struggle, i.e. Man Utd last season and this season. If you have a **** game and your manager says you were **** then you go ****, I can do better than this I need to buck my ideas up, and you work hard for the next game i.e. Saints second half.

[ericofarabia]

Like LVG has just done. Man Utd were unlucky apparently, and the players did their best.

 

God Help Man U if their future stars "BEST" is getting thrashed 4-0 by MK Dons. Did he mention his own part in the downfall with his team selection and tactics? Reminds me a little bit of Redkrap when he picked a team of kids plus Delap (who was having a bit of a mare at the time) at Mansfield away, which we lost to the team bottom of Div 4 (old money). The difference being that LVG by saying that they tried their best is hinting that they are crap, where as Turdflaps slagged the kids off and said I told you they weren't good enough yet, but failed to mention he was responsible for picking the team or choosing the tactics!!

 

Shaw must be mightily relieved that he hasn't been involved in the 3 games so far.

[Plumstead_Saint]

Thanks for the summary.

Just back from the game and boy am I glad Pelle finally scored!

[Saint_Tony]

Just out of interest, do any other managers have twitter? Ronald uses it a lot, just seems a bit strange

[Gambol2K9]

Well think of it like this. If you've just played a **** game and your manager says you tried your best there's nothing you could do, you'll think, crap, I'm not that good, It's not going to be easy for me to get better than that, and your confidence will drop and your form will struggle, i.e. Man Utd last season and this season. If you have a **** game and your manager says you were **** then you go ****, I can do better than this I need to buck my ideas up, and you work hard for the next game i.e. Saints second half.

 

I get what you're saying but every person reacts differently. Some are motivated by a kick up the arse, others need an arm round them. I always think great managers always manage the man not the player.

[alpine_saint]

1st half bad half

2nd half much better

needed the 2nd goal much earlier

players attitude not 100% in 1st half, not good enough

Had to wake them up at HT

We celebrate Corks goal, he was very good.

we needed to change something

we tried to play Long and Pelle upfront in 1st half

had to change it, shape was wrong

Pelle worked very hard, he missed 2 or 3 good chances

crowed supported him fantastically

finally scored, hoped he will score again sat

Isgrove had problems, will find out tomorrow what the extent is

Gaston working hard to to get back to fitness. Long had cramp

Wanted to bring Gaston on earlier but only winning 1-0 it forced me to wait

we are confident for saturday, it will be very hard at the weekend

Hope to bring in players before weekend, discussing every day with board

wont talk about names, we need 1 or 2 more

 

Ergo, he's a luxury player and too big a risk. Damning indictment.

[CB Fry]

Well think of it like this. If you've just played a **** game and your manager says you tried your best there's nothing you could do, you'll think, crap, I'm not that good, It's not going to be easy for me to get better than that, and your confidence will drop and your form will struggle, i.e. Man Utd last season and this season. If you have a **** game and your manager says you were **** then you go ****, I can do better than this I need to buck my ideas up, and you work hard for the next game i.e. Saints second half.

Koeman clearly didn't say anything to the media that he hadn't already said to the players. And we won the game, and we played better in the second half, meaning the "we were poor" stuff is addressed to the media as something that was "fixed" at half time. Happy days.

 

So not really sure how what you've posted here applies in this case.

[syd_barrett_saint]

Ergo, he's a luxury player and too big a risk. Damning indictment.

 

Or, Koeman didn't want to bring on a non-100% fit player (returning from injury) for too long while the game could still go either way.

[St Chalet]

Or, Koeman didn't want to bring on a non-100% fit player (returning from injury) for too long while the game could still go either way.

 

Please don't let sensible and rational posts get in the way of xenophobic hatred.

[Professor]

Why no Ramirez until the game was effectively over following the second goal with just 6 minutes to play? With two strikers there were limited places available in midfield, and those were filled by players who already had games under their belts this season. Isgrove seems to have been the weakest so he was replaced by Tadic, preferred ahead of Ramirez for obvious reasons based on his performances. To disrupt the settled midfield by taking off either JWP or Davis to bring on Ramirez would have been a risk so waiting until a striker could be removed made sense. Ramirez needs game time and when the second goal came, Koeman immediately brought Gaston on which could indicate that he wants to ready Ramirez for selection. It was just unfortunate that the goal came late on.

[Raging Bull]

Ergo, he's a luxury player and too big a risk. Damning indictment.

 

Apparently his mum died last year which quite clearly affected his game.

 

Cut the guy some slack you buffoon!

[Faz]

Why no Ramirez until the game was effectively over following the second goal with just 6 minutes to play? With two strikers there were limited places available in midfield, and those were filled by players who already had games under their belts this season. Isgrove seems to have been the weakest so he was replaced by Tadic, preferred ahead of Ramirez for obvious reasons based on his performances. To disrupt the settled midfield by taking off either JWP or Davis to bring on Ramirez would have been a risk so waiting until a striker could be removed made sense. Ramirez needs game time and when the second goal came, Koeman immediately brought Gaston on which could indicate that he wants to ready Ramirez for selection. It was just unfortunate that the goal came late on.

 

If you listen to Ron's post match interview on Solent, he wanted to bring Gaston on earlier, and would have done so if we'd got the 2nd earlier in the half; however, he'd already used two subs and was wary of using the third in case ET was needed.

 

Don't think Gaston is far off being ready.

[benjii]

Although Gaston wasn't on for long he looked raring to go. Every time he got the ball he surged forwards.

 

If Tadic is going to be used predominantly as a "winger" then Gaston will have an important role to play as the link man. We were crying out for him against West Brom. There are obviously some matches where having three "battlers" in midfield is desirable but against the more limited sides, and particularly when we have deeper midfielders as good as Vic, Morgan and Cork, there's definitely space for him to create an impact.

[The9]

Although Gaston wasn't on for long he looked raring to go. Every time he got the ball he surged forwards.

 

If Tadic is going to be used predominantly as a "winger" then Gaston will have an important role to play as the link man. We were crying out for him against West Brom. There are obviously some matches where having three "battlers" in midfield is desirable but against the more limited sides, and particularly when we have deeper midfielders as good as Vic, Morgan and Cork, there's definitely space for him to create an impact.

 

Shame we didn't work that out before the West Brom match, there's me on the build-up thread saying "drop Wanyama despite his performance against Liverpool, keep Davis in, we need creativity and quickness in transition" and we play 2 DMs and look like we're wading through treacle against a side that barely crossed half way with the ball.

[Foxstone]

From the BBC Website - Koeman comments...

 

"It was two different 45 minutes. After the first I was unhappy. Millwall were fantastic, but we were sloppy.

 

"But we did much better in the second half. We controlled it and finally scored the second one. The result is okay - but I won't forget the first 45 minutes."

 

I think RonKo tore them a new one at half time, and will perhaps use the first half performance as a re minder to them going forward.

[Saxon]

Koeman clearly didn't say anything to the media that he hadn't already said to the players. And we won the game, and we played better in the second half, meaning the "we were poor" stuff is addressed to the media as something that was "fixed" at half time. Happy days.

 

So not really sure how what you've posted here applies in this case.

 

Well quite clearly my point is an over-exaggeration of the difference in giving a player robust criticism after a bad performance and a sugar coated one and the impact on the players performance (in my opinion). This was in support of Dan Johnson's comment, with whom I agree. The example I used was after a match as opposed to half time but the principle is the exact same at half time.

 

Hopefully it is now clear to you that this is perfectly in keeping with the discussion in the thread. If you need any more help though, especially with the longer words, let me know.