New players get less and less time to settle in these days.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Its been good to see most on this forum are agreed that the small section of fans that booed and then ironically cheered Pelle yesterday are mindless morons. Yes he had a very poor game and has done little to catch the eye up to now but he must be given time to adjust and settle. The new year would be a good time to make a fuller appraisal.

 

I remember a young Mick Channon spending more time on his arse than on his feet in the early days and "Dockers Corner" cat calling him Doreen Channon whenever he ventured within hearing.

 

On the other hand big Ron Davies scored in his third game, again in his fourth, failed in his fifth but then scored in the next ten games. And speaking of Davies how about his namesake, Kevin, who debuted off the bench v Bolton in 1997, dipped a shoulder and went past two defenders within a minute of coming on. We knew we had a star and he was knocking them in with regularity until Irwin crocked him for half a season. Pahars was another who hit the ground running.

 

So some players settle quickly, others take longer, but the trouble is in the Premiership time is at a premium and a new breed of fan grows increasingly impatient at a quicker rate. You only have to look at Old Trafford in recent months to see that.

[Wiggles31]

Totally agreed.

 

It's like some people want players to fail at times.

[hutch]

You have to keep in mind that not everybody that posts on here is actually a Saints fan.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Pelle is on a hiding to nothing. The premiership is hard enough to adjust to without following a club legend and the lack of service into the box he's getting. Its not going to get any easier next week because fat Sam's centre half will love the physical battle. He needs a tap in or a scruffy one going in off his arris. Hope he plays in midweek and boosts his confidence. His lack of movement is a worry, he played in a straight line , down the middle up against the centre halfs all game. Never once were they dragged out of position or dragged into areas they are uncomfortable in. I know we were spoilt with Rickie , drifting wide or picking up the ball in " the hole" , but he doesn't even pull onto the full backs or run the channels . I think RK should have played Long and introduced Pelle gradually, rather than the other way round.

 

As for the supporters reaction, its pretty poor. He wants to play for us and Morgan doesn't, yet Morgan gets his name sung. It will be interesting to see what the away support is like towards him next week.

[Baird of the land]

I'm no fan of home fans booing their own players. I'd prefer criticism to be on message boards, before, after game etc and support for the 90 minutes.

However when after the high performance levels last year and the stupid sales that were made this summer, you can understand some people are going to be frustrated and disillusioned and take that out on replacements who are perceived as being of a lower standard.

[mulletsaint]

You have to keep in mind that not everybody that posts on here is actually a Saints fan.

 

Unfortunately those booing at the match were unlikely to be anything but.

 

I thought many on here were overly harsh about his performance against Liverpool a fortnight ago. He won little in the air that day but his hold up play when it went into his chest or feet was pretty good I thought. He used his strength well and linked up play intelligently at times.

 

I didn't see yesterday's performance so can't comment on it but getting on his back ain't gonna help. From MoTD last night and the first match I'd say at least he's not afraid to show for the ball regularly, even when things aren't going well.

[Saint_Tony]

Fair point. My personal opinion when we signed Pelle was that it's a massive gamble. His record elsewhere looks very poor. However, things worked out for him at Feyenoord and they still can for us. Let's give him 10 games before writing him off. We'll be bottom 3 by then so he needs to get firing sooner rather than later

[VectisSaint]

Its been good to see most on this forum are agreed that the small section of fans that booed and then ironically cheered Pelle yesterday are mindless morons. Yes he had a very poor game and has done little to catch the eye up to now but he must be given time to adjust and settle. The new year would be a good time to make a fuller appraisal

Of course booing is stupid. I also remember Mick and the stick he got in his early days and all the others you mention. Its true that players have less time, but usually in circumstances where they have been brought in too late in the day and with the clear aim that hey are are going to be the main man for a certain position, and main striker is one of the most exposed positions on the pitch. The team has a pressing need to get going quickly with the relatively easy start in terms of fixtures this season. The frustration though is due to the fact that GP has looked so far adrift of what is needed in the PL in his two games so far, unable to win a header (at least in the first half of a game, or until Shane Long comes on alongside to help). He gives no indication that he can hack it, gets pushed off the ball very easily and his head drops as soon as it happens. He is getting plenty of service and yet he does not seem able to win the ball or control the ball and hold it up. Its going to be a long season if the guy does not show a bit more tenacity, he's a big guy and ought to be able to hold his own. We have no other options at the moment, and hence some people are frustrated. He looks a poor signing, so far, and its difficult to see how he will bridge the gap in the next 2 or 3 games. But I truly hope he does. We do not have the luxury of being able to say, lets wait and see how he is doing halfway through the season. At least when Michael was falling on his arse in 66 we had Big Ron and initially Martin Chivers banging in the goals, at the moment we have no-one doing the same to take the load off of Pelle until he beds in. Not all his fault, but part of the problem caused by the weakness of the Board during the summer letting players go too easily and not getting replacements in beforehand, but that's another argument.

[alpine_saint]

I think its too early to judge Pelle, but maybe the immediate expectations from some come from the fact that modern players are paid a f**king fortune that most can only dream of.

 

Besides, there are exceptions to every rule; Ramirez has been cut a ridiculous amount of slack by most Saints fans on the back of a few pretty touches despite it being clear MONTHS ago he will never be reliable.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The trouble for Pelle is he's not inexperienced so fans cut him less slack, he comes with a high reputation as a goal scorer which equates to high expectations and as Vectis says there is no back up with Gallagher still out with whatever it is he is out with. Plus he replaced the irreplaceable in some fan's eyes. I must admit watching yesterday I suddenly appreciated how much Lambert brought to the side even as he slowed. Maybe a showing at the New Den will kick start his season...if he plays.

[DuncanRG]

The trouble for Pelle is he's not inexperienced so fans cut him less slack, he comes with a high reputation as a goal scorer which equates to high expectations and as Vectis says there is no back up with Gallagher still out with whatever it is he is out with. Plus he replaced the irreplaceable in some fan's eyes. I must admit watching yesterday I suddenly appreciated how much Lambert brought to the side even as he slowed. Maybe a showing at the New Den will kick start his season...if he plays.

 

I really hope he plays. The more game time he can get to adapt to English football and his team mates the better, plus he's got a better chance of getting off the mark against weaker opposition. Imagine the difference in confidence going to West Ham if he grabs himself a goal midweek compared to going there with yesterday's jeers still ringing.

 

On the Man United point though, it's not so much impatience as misdiagnosis. Moyes didn't get time and they're under fire already this year, but the problems at that club go well beyond the manager and need to be addressed as quickly as possible if they're to return to the Champions League. The tragedy will be if they do badly and Van Gaal gets the blame.

Edited 24 August, 2014 by DuncanRG

[Faz]

Fair point. My personal opinion when we signed Pelle was that it's a massive gamble. His record elsewhere looks very poor. However, things worked out for him at Feyenoord and they still can for us. Let's give him 10 games before writing him off. We'll be bottom 3 by then so he needs to get firing sooner rather than later

 

Wow, you're going to give him a whole 10 games before writing him off?

[Saint_Tony]

9 more than a lot of others

[The Cat]

9 more than a lot of others

 

9 games and 80 minutes more than a lot of others.

[OttawaSaint]

Look at the likes of Bergkamp and Henri that took a while to adjust (not saying he is any where near their level). Give him time to adjust to the pace and physicality.

[eurosaint]

Its been good to see most on this forum are agreed that the small section of fans that booed and then ironically cheered Pelle yesterday are mindless morons. Yes he had a very poor game and has done little to catch the eye up to now but he must be given time to adjust and settle. The new year would be a good time to make a fuller appraisal.

 

I remember a young Mick Channon spending more time on his arse than on his feet in the early days and "Dockers Corner" cat calling him Doreen Channon whenever he ventured within hearing.

 

On the other hand big Ron Davies scored in his third game, again in his fourth, failed in his fifth but then scored in the next ten games. And speaking of Davies how about his namesake, Kevin, who debuted off the bench v Bolton in 1997, dipped a shoulder and went past two defenders within a minute of coming on. We knew we had a star and he was knocking them in with regularity until Irwin crocked him for half a season. Pahars was another who hit the ground running.

 

So some players settle quickly, others take longer, but the trouble is in the Premiership time is at a premium and a new breed of fan grows increasingly impatient at a quicker rate. You only have to look at Old Trafford in recent months to see that.

 

This is also symptomatic of the world today and a lot of it is due to interaction on social media and sites like this !

Note that every season we have to have a scapegoat/figure of fun (Guly, Fox, Telfer etc..) and often players are slagged off as they are signed, sometimes even before they actually play (Long ?). The same people tend to judge both managers and players after only a few matches which defies all logical reason !

IMHO this approach is lacking in basic intelligence as any sensible person would surely form a serious opinion only after a reasonable period of time and reflection !

[derry]

Koeman wanted him and if he wants him to be successful he has to be ruthless and put in the players that will support him. That means to me no more Davis and JWP as forwards as they are unable to make the forward runs necessary. Passing the ball across the back four and recycling it across midfield and back to the keeper won't work.

[aintforever]

Look at the likes of Bergkamp and Henri that took a while to adjust (not saying he is any where near their level). Give him time to adjust to the pace and physicality.

 

My Arsenal supporting mate reckoned Pires took about a year to adjust to the pace of the Premier League as well. The problem with Pelle is he's such a big unit, Lambert got away with it because he was used to the physical side and was excellent at reading the game.

[Turkish]

That's because most people that go to football these days are c*cks

[SB]

Here's a question, If it wasn't for the fans and media pressure would Morgan still be with us?

 

 

The phrases happy clappers and bed wetters get used to much on this forum, but IMO both views have valid points. Think everyone would agree boo'ing a player isn't going to help, however on the other side has anyone seen such a poor performance from a striker recently? The cons to his performances far out way the pros!

Hopefully he gets a tap in against west ham and hits double figures for the season, however currently/sadly not a glimps of this so far.. And only naturally fans frustration with echo in the ground.

[sadoldgit]

9 more than a lot of others

 

I think you missed the point mate. 9 or 10 games is still no big deal in the bigger scheme of things. It took JRod a lot more time to adapt to Premiership football.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think you missed the point mate. 9 or 10 games is still no big deal in the bigger scheme of things. It took JRod a lot more time to adapt to Premiership football.

 

That is very true but he had age and no big expectations on his side. Pelle is anticipated (probably unreasonably) to hit the ground running. He needs another striker to help him and hopefully RK is on the case

[trousers]

If you want a good example of how fickle the average football fan is, do a forum search for all threads with 'Lambert' in the title then add up the number of times he was written off during his 5 years here.

Edited 24 August, 2014 by trousers

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If you want a good example of how fickle the average football fan is, do a forum search for all threads with 'Lambert' in then add up the number of times he was written off during his 5 years here.

 

I'd rather not but I take your point.

[SarniaSaint]

Its been good to see most on this forum are agreed that the small section of fans that booed and then ironically cheered Pelle yesterday are mindless morons. Yes he had a very poor game and has done little to catch the eye up to now but he must be given time to adjust and settle. The new year would be a good time to make a fuller appraisal.

 

I remember a young Mick Channon spending more time on his arse than on his feet in the early days and "Dockers Corner" cat calling him Doreen Channon whenever he ventured within hearing.

 

On the other hand big Ron Davies scored in his third game, again in his fourth, failed in his fifth but then scored in the next ten games. And speaking of Davies how about his namesake, Kevin, who debuted off the bench v Bolton in 1997, dipped a shoulder and went past two defenders within a minute of coming on. We knew we had a star and he was knocking them in with regularity until Irwin crocked him for half a season. Pahars was another who hit the ground running.

 

So some players settle quickly, others take longer, but the trouble is in the Premiership time is at a premium and a new breed of fan grows increasingly impatient at a quicker rate. You only have to look at Old Trafford in recent months to see that.

 

Duncan I remember all the abuse Mick Channon used to get and could never understand it then , however fast forward to the present and I think a lot of the abuse yesterday was aimed at the board. Watched live on TSN (ESPN) and they showed KL and RK sat together a few times expressionless, didn't move might have well been cardboard cut-outs. Have a bad feeling for the future.

[Wade Garrett]

Koeman wanted him and if he wants him to be successful he has to be ruthless and put in the players that will support him. That means to me no more Davis and JWP as forwards as they are unable to make the forward runs necessary. Passing the ball across the back four and recycling it across midfield and back to the keeper won't work.

 

Amen to that brother.

[sadoldgit]

It is not just players that are expected to deliver from day 1 but Board members and Management teams. I wonder how many "supporters" would walk into a new job and be brilliant from day one? Not many I suspect.

[Goalie66]

You have to keep in mind that not everybody that posts on here is actually a Saints fan.

Really ! What percentage arent? 1%

[Killers Knee]

I hope RK is just struggling to get his point across to the players, and it will click when the new players join this week. The alternative would be too depressing, Saturdays tactics reminded me of Saints under Harry Redknapp, hoofing the ball up to Crouch as if its some kind of tactic.

 

I am worried that the training sessions are not of the elite level of last season and instead of adding RK's tactics to our portfolio so we have a plan A and a plan B, we are replacing our highly praised and attractive football with something else. We need to play last seasons tactics as our default and implement RK's improvements, not fix something that isn't broke.

 

So if by Sept 1, RK gets his men, I hope he can implement his tactical evolution, not revolution. Too early to make a judgement on our success in the transfer market, although observations that Pelle is off the pace are perfectly valid, just like Gaston, he will need 6 months at least to get up to speed mentally and physically.

[alpine_saint]

The piety on this thread is priceless.

 

Fans are being asked to pay record prices for tickets, food, replica kits, etc. so that players can be paid top dollar for their services, yet it is the fans being unreasonable ?

 

Times have changed. This isnt the times of Channon and Davies. I am not saying things have changed for the better, but you all need to deal with it. Football isnt a working-class recreation any more, it is a billion-dollar business. Success is all about results and revenue.

 

If the players and managers cannot take it for the money they are paid, they are in the wrong job.

 

Love the comment about Ramirez needing 6 months, btw. Sarcasm at its best. I am just wondering which 6 month period we are talking about...

[CB Fry]

Duncan I remember all the abuse Mick Channon used to get and could never understand it then , however fast forward to the present and I think a lot of the abuse yesterday was aimed at the board. Watched live on TSN (ESPN) and they showed KL and RK sat together a few times expressionless, didn't move might have well been cardboard cut-outs. Have a bad feeling for the future.

 

They have to sit there expressionless.

 

If they sat there smiling, people like you (or let's say, you) would be posting "look at them sat there, what are they grinning at". And so on. Let's not pretend there is an expression they could have had that you wouldn't be whining about.

[alpine_saint]

Duncan I remember all the abuse Mick Channon used to get and could never understand it then , however fast forward to the present and I think a lot of the abuse yesterday was aimed at the board. Watched live on TSN (ESPN) and they showed KL and RK sat together a few times expressionless, didn't move might have well been cardboard cut-outs. Have a bad feeling for the future.

 

The board were criticised during the online match commentary of the Liverpool game for going mad when Clyne scored. Apparently they should have behaved with more decorum. Perhaps that had an impact.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Don't for one minute agree with booing your own team...that is not support by definition. Yes Pelle needs time to adjust, however he is here to do a job and the majority of his role is to score goals. To score goals you need to be in the right place at the right time and yet there was not one time when he put himself in that place on Saturday, however that is based on the style of play we adopted...pass it across the backline or hoof it. Pelle excells around the 6 yard box...we didn't attack that area hardly atall.

 

In summary then, it's as much about Pelle getting more mobile as it is about Reed making a damned good wide player signing before 11pm this evening.

[Hatch]

if he heard the booing, I'm hoping he wont take much notice, as anyone with half a brain knows that the modern day football supporter is 'effin clueless

and generally knows f-all about football.

 

and it seems, SFC has a higher percentage than most.

[Fan The Flames]

My old man a PAFC supporter always said that Southampton fans were the worst for turning on players.

[RobM]

Pelle does need time to settle and fans should definitely not be booing him or any of our players (IMO), but that doesn't mean he or any other player are immune from criticism where it's justified. If somebody had a poor game, it's right and fair that fans can say so. If a player has done little of note to impress, fans are free to say that. That's a huge part of football, it's why forums like this exist.

 

Reading this forum and Twitter there seems to be a divide between 'everythings awful, we're doomed' and 'everythings going to be amazing and anybody who suggests otherwise is a moron'. What's wrong with saying we're not playing well and some players aren't performing well if that's actually the case?

[Cabrone]

Like it or not Pelle was signed to be our main goal threat this season and as such our success is linked directly to his success.

 

Therefore why boo a player that we are relying on to perform at his best? He's already having to deal with a new style of play, new team mates, different language and culture and now you can add to that a small section of negative fans with the attention span of a gnat. It's counter productive and pretty dumb TBH.

 

Having a pop on here is different IMO, fans vent spleen and it's forgotten as quickly as it started but to jeer at an actual match? Stupid.

 

He did the business at Feyenoord so there's no reason given the correct support (both on and off the pitch) he can't do well here.

 

If you claim to care about the club then give him a break for your own sakes as well as his.

[OldNick]

Fuller and Crouch were also given a tough time by the morons. It also came at a time when the fans felt cheated by not replacing top players leaving with unknown or lesser quality

[Dig Dig]

Like it or not Pelle was signed to be our main goal threat this season and as such our success is linked directly to his success.

 

Therefore why boo a player that we are relying on to perform at his best? He's already having to deal with a new style of play, new team mates, different language and culture and now you can add to that a small section of negative fans with the attention span of a gnat. It's counter productive and pretty dumb TBH.

 

Having a pop on here is different IMO, fans vent spleen and it's forgotten as quickly as it started but to jeer at an actual match? Stupid.

 

He did the business at Feyenoord so there's no reason given the correct support (both on and off the pitch) he can't do well here.

 

If you claim to care about the club then give him a break for your own sakes as well as his.

 

He hasn't actually been boo'd, there were some idiotic ironic cheers when he finally won an aerial dual. In addition, there is every reason why he may not do well here, it's a huge step up from the dutch leagues.

[Giordano]

This is also symptomatic of the world today and a lot of it is due to interaction on social media and sites like this !

Note that every season we have to have a scapegoat/figure of fun (Guly, Fox, Telfer etc..) and often players are slagged off as they are signed, sometimes even before they actually play (Long ?). The same people tend to judge both managers and players after only a few matches which defies all logical reason !

IMHO this approach is lacking in basic intelligence as any sensible person would surely form a serious opinion only after a reasonable period of time and reflection !

 

Cue my annual upset everybody and really badly insult and patronize much of our fan-base post......I totally agree with eurosaint.

 

Today you can give instant praise and instant criticism, often directly to our players, team and to fellow fans without even having to be anywhere near to the criticized person. Back in the day this was not possible or as possible. Now that many / all of us have this gift many feel it is not only a right but it also means that what we/they say also has validity and credibility just by virtue of the fact that we/they have enunciated it. This is, as I'm sure you will understand, a right load of bollxcks.

 

The ability to post on a Saintsweb thread is not restricted so we are always able to see evidence of the phenomenal ignorance of some Southampton supporters and their ability to voice crap from the safety of far far away. Most are not ignorant but some, the worst sort, are loud AND ignorant.

 

Those who are quickest to judge are often the LEAST qualified by virtue of the lack of right knowledge skills and experience. Being able to steam up a mirror with your breath does not qualify your opinion. Without appropriate knowledge, opinion is just noise. Much of what is posted on this forum and you hear at matches is just that ~ noise, with little or no redeeming quality or value. Society is teaching us that everybody's opinions are valid (fair enough) but when the only redeeming feature of so many opinions is that the mouthpiece of it is demonstrating his right to be a moron then there comes a time when these people should be told to stfu.

 

Those who are loudest and the fastest in their criticism are often the ones who should, frankly, take a deep breath and think it through because so often they are the last people anyone would trust to give an opinion on anything let alone SFC. It's not just a Saints thing but when you hear the morons saying the mindless things with people complicitly silent around them and with no sense of irony, no obvious self parody then it should ring an alarm bell that we, like all clubs, have our fair share of complete and utter idiots.

 

These people are often blessed with a quicker path between brain and mouth because it is much less obstructed by the grey matter that does the thinking ; hence Pelle is Sh8t after a few games, Tadic cannot cross and so and so is hopeless (insert favored boo boy) The worst type of all are the ones who know they are ignorant and yet keep repeating the same cra8. Children might be listening and believe what you've said is true, just because you are an adult.

 

I try not to have arguments with fellow supporters who slag our players off but i've opened my mouth in the past to remonstrate with the haters - the Guly hating period was a particular one - even in the championship he was getting slaughtered but if we are going to start with another round of this rubbish on Pelle in the EPl all it will do is show us up for a bunch of mindless supporters. Did i use the term "supporters"? Sorry. We don't do that nowadays. Nowadays we are clients to be entertained. I meant to say people who have paid a ticket for which they are now entitled to a football performance during which they are entitled to say anybody is cr7p at any time for any reason. Open season for idiots frankly.

[Saint Matty 76]

Squawka Football ‏@Squawka 9m

Like aerial duel stats? Saints forward Graziano Pellè has won more (15) than any other Premier League player so far.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Squawka Football ‏@Squawka 9m

Like aerial duel stats? Saints forward Graziano Pellè has won more (15) than any other Premier League player so far.

 

Must be made up mate..he won nothing.........apparently

[Norm]

Apologies if already posted,

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11430277.New_signings_will_take_time_to_adapt___Koeman/?ref=mac

 

 

Edited 25 August, 2014 by Norm

[simo]

As much as I think booing a player in his first home game is out of order if you pay me tens of thousands of pounds a week some booing or name calling of me wouldn't bother me too much !

[van Hanegem]

The piety on this thread is priceless.

 

Fans are being asked to pay record prices for tickets, food, replica kits, etc. so that players can be paid top dollar for their services, yet it is the fans being unreasonable ?

 

Times have changed. This isnt the times of Channon and Davies. I am not saying things have changed for the better, but you all need to deal with it. Football isnt a working-class recreation any more, it is a billion-dollar business. Success is all about results and revenue.

 

If the players and managers cannot take it for the money they are paid, they are in the wrong job.

 

Love the comment about Ramirez needing 6 months, btw. Sarcasm at its best. I am just wondering which 6 month period we are talking about...

 

I do get your point but if the fans are not willing to stay patient with a new coach (and new players) to build up a team that is able to compete than you're getting nowhere, especially when you don't have the funds to keep on buying. Would be nice when Saints stays an example of the traditional way between all the bull***** in the PL. As a Feyenoord fan it's hard to admit but I enjoyed to see Ajax finishing off ManC twice in the Champions League. They don't spend money like idiots (the total amount of salaries within Ajax is 20 million...), they just make their players better. In the long time it will pay off...

[Norm]

I do get your point but if the fans are not willing to stay patient with a new coach (and new players) to build up a team that is able to compete than you're getting nowhere, especially when you don't have the funds to keep on buying. Would be nice when Saints stays an example of the traditional way between all the bull***** in the PL. As a Feyenoord fan it's hard to admit but I enjoyed to see Ajax finishing off ManC twice in the Champions League. They don't spend money like idiots (the total amount of salaries within Ajax is 20 million...), they just make their players better. In the long time it will pay off...

 

Top post but far to much common sense for many on here.

[OldNick]

As much as I think booing a player in his first home game is out of order if you pay me tens of thousands of pounds a week some booing or name calling of me wouldn't bother me too much !

I've read that nonsense before, if you have a brain and personality (when I say 'you' I mean in general) it does effect you however much you earn. Nobody wants not to be liked and criticism hurts. It is bravado to say it doesn't

[SaintRobbie]

I do get your point but if the fans are not willing to stay patient with a new coach (and new players) to build up a team that is able to compete than you're getting nowhere, especially when you don't have the funds to keep on buying. Would be nice when Saints stays an example of the traditional way between all the bull***** in the PL. As a Feyenoord fan it's hard to admit but I enjoyed to see Ajax finishing off ManC twice in the Champions League. They don't spend money like idiots (the total amount of salaries within Ajax is 20 million...), they just make their players better. In the long time it will pay off...

 

Good point. How long did it take Koeman to start to have an impact on Feyenoord? (and Pelle for that matter!)

 

... and by the way if you could have a word with Classie for us that would be appreciated! He looks very capable.

[simo]

I've read that nonsense before, if you have a brain and personality (when I say 'you' I mean in general) it does effect you however much you earn. Nobody wants not to be liked and criticism hurts. It is bravado to say it doesn't

 

If someone told me I could earn tens of thousands a week for training and playing football I will just have to sacrifice having a personal life and may get called names I'd rip your hand off , being liked is nice but as Lovren and Lallana have showed it's not a priority!

[SarniaSaint]

They have to sit there expressionless.

 

If they sat there smiling, people like you (or let's say, you) would be posting "look at them sat there, what are they grinning at". And so on. Let's not pretend there is an expression they could have had that you wouldn't be whining about.

 

Hey I am not a serial whiner and liked the reaction when Clyne scored last week. So just STFU OK.