The Majestic Channon Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Anyone witness some huge geezer spark out another saints fan queuing for the bogs at half time as away to Bolton late 90's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Many football fans are ignorant, arrogant dullards. This includes Saints fans and quite large sections of my family! Thinking about it, before 'the emancipation' - World in Motion, Stone Roses, WSC, 442 etc, you'd struggle to find an average fan who wasn't a jerk. As a massive Stone Roses fan I can confirm that's the first time I've ever seen them linked with football, especially in terms of the glamourising of it. Now if you want to throw Italia '90, Gazza's Tears, Fever Pitch, and All-Seater Stadia into the mix, I'm there with you in the participants in the revolution, backed up by the Premier League formation and Sky coverage soon after. You're giving FourFourTwo a bit too much credit though, they were very late to the party in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Anyone remember Doncaster a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 My Best Man and I have had two notable disagreements on Saints - last year there was a discussion about Chambers and Clyne which was SO convoluted that 6 months on both of us thinks the other one might have been supporting a different player in the argument and I can't even remember who said which was good at what or likely to start against whom for which reason. The other thing he brings up regularly is that "I said Schneiderlin was rubbish in L1". I didn't, I said he was clearly a good creative player but might not be suited to L1 and needed to harden up a bit and learn to tackle. My wife did say that, frequently, though, and I'm more than happy to deflect the p155-taking on that one her way. I haven't even managed to fall out with anyone over Lambert IRL, probably because I try to support my arguments with examples. I can't think of anyone with more polarised opposite opinions on Saints than Pat From Poole, but we're still mates. Even the one-time Greenwich Saint's Leandre Griffit love was treated with sensitivity. Long and short of it, is unless they're a racist or total embarrassment to be around generally, I'd rather be talking about football to people than anything, and it's a game of opinions (with mine always right, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 As a massive Stone Roses fan I can confirm that's the first time I've ever seen them linked with football, especially in terms of the glamourising of it. Now if you want to throw Italia '90, Gazza's Tears, Fever Pitch, and All-Seater Stadia into the mix, I'm there with you in the participants in the revolution, backed up by the Premier League formation and Sky coverage soon after. You're giving FourFourTwo a bit too much credit though, they were very late to the party in 1994. Roses are massive United fans except Reni who is Citeh. I mean, seriously huge fans. IIRC a gig I was meant to be attending (Cardiff?) was cancelled because it clashed with United's first trip into Europe for about five years. All part of the holy trinity Football Music Fashion, which has to go back to the Liverpool traveling fans of the eighties (the birth of the casual) etc. Oh. I'm getting nostalgic. Where's me Sergio Tacchini tracky top gone..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Roses are massive United fans except Reni who is Citeh. I mean, seriously huge fans. IIRC a gig I was meant to be attending (Cardiff?) was cancelled because it clashed with United's first trip into Europe for about five years. All part of the holy trinity Football Music Fashion, which has to go back to the Liverpool traveling fans of the eighties (the birth of the casual) etc. Oh. I'm getting nostalgic. Where's me Sergio Tacchini tracky top gone..? Yeah all that is true, but their interest in football had little to no impact on football going mainstream, they weren't known in the mainstream for their footballing passion and it didn't make the general public think "ooh, that football looks like fun/safe/normal" like the other things listed. As for casualwear and scousers in tracksuits, I remember it well as a teenager going to Anfield in the 80s, but again, it was a thing that happened within itself that had no impact at all on football becoming popular with the middle class or women or suchlike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Yeah all that is true, but their interest in football had little to no impact on football going mainstream, they weren't known in the mainstream for their footballing passion and it didn't make the general public think "ooh, that football looks like fun/safe/normal" like the other things listed. As for casualwear and scousers in tracksuits, I remember it well as a teenager going to Anfield in the 80s, but again, it was a thing that happened within itself that had no impact at all on football becoming popular with the middle class or women or suchlike. Mainstream, no, but they (with others), did allow the opposite to happen: Guys like me who had previously had avoided football because of the f*cktards and louts, started wearing our colours again. If my favourite bands and alternative icons were into football openly it meant I didn't have to hide my love of the game away. I was 'suddenly' allowed to discuss the game in terms that David Gedge would understand and enjoy supporting my team again. That coupled with my mum buying me Desmond Morris's The Soccer Tribe and I was hooked again. I think indie bands did less to make football Popular in the late eighties and nineties (you are right that Safe Stadia and Sky did that) but they did make it COOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Mainstream, no, but they (with others), did allow the opposite to happen: Guys like me who had previously had avoided football because of the f*cktards and louts, started wearing our colours again. If my favourite bands and alternative icons were into football openly it meant I didn't have to hide my love of the game away. I was 'suddenly' allowed to discuss the game in terms that David Gedge would understand and enjoy supporting my team again. That coupled with my mum buying me Desmond Morris's The Soccer Tribe and I was hooked again. I think indie bands did less to make football Popular in the late eighties and nineties (you are right that Safe Stadia and Sky did that) but they did make it COOL!!! I'll give you that they may have at least made englandneworder possible, and THAT helped with the mainstreaming, but not much more than that. I guess we all had different personal experiences, I was a huge Stone Roses fan (albeit via single purchases and not gigs, to the disgust of Future Me) but I guess as I was already a football fan and STILL didn't know anyone else in the area I wasn't related to who actually went to matches it didn't have that impact on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Anyone remember Doncaster a few years ago? Yep, it was a nightmare day. There seemed to be quite a few fights breaking out in the ground which summed up the discord that season between sections of the fanbase. Burnley home was another game where the tetchy atmosphere felt like it could bubble over between the ones who'd been there all season and those returning post-Lowe and during admin. Personally speaking, I had a weird clash with a guy at Bolton. My friend, who is well over six foot and well built, was voicing his frustration at WGS's no-striker formation in the first half but hadn't said anything particularly out of order. So this idiot 'fan', carrying his small daughter, decided to confront me and my other mate who are five foot ten and medium build about 'not supporting your team'. He offered us outside which we laughed at and then the coward went quiet when our larger friend returned from the away fans bar and said he'd kindly take him up on his offer. A friend that went to the QPR away game in 1995/6 said there was drunken fighting outside Loftus Rd before the game during the Merrington season - anyone there that day that recalls it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 That awful relegation season from the NPC, 09-10. Home to Burnley, early-mid season, a depressing 13,000 crowd. 'Swing Lowe' all over the place, people sarcastically banging the empty seats as a message to the board, then at around the hour mark, numerous pockets of fighting broke out around SMS. I remember watching with amazement the Northam corner, the Itchen etc, as Saints fans started fighting each other. I left that game thinking we were doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Roses are massive United fans except Reni who is Citeh. I mean, seriously huge fans. IIRC a gig I was meant to be attending (Cardiff?) was cancelled because it clashed with United's first trip into Europe for about five years. All part of the holy trinity Football Music Fashion, which has to go back to the Liverpool traveling fans of the eighties (the birth of the casual) etc. Oh. I'm getting nostalgic. Where's me Sergio Tacchini tracky top gone..? Nice footage of Mani here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h2_gOY2pBo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 That awful relegation season from the NPC, 09-10. Home to Burnley, early-mid season, a depressing 13,000 crowd. 'Swing Lowe' all over the place, people sarcastically banging the empty seats as a message to the board, then at around the hour mark, numerous pockets of fighting broke out around SMS. I remember watching with amazement the Northam corner, the Itchen etc, as Saints fans started fighting each other. I left that game thinking we were doomed! Yeah the atmosphere was horrible that day. Culminated in fans on pitch in front of the Burnley end lobbing stuff at each other, followed by police dogs IIRC. Wasn't there also a smoke bomb thrown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Eh, who are you on Twitter? It's Sarb to you by the way. Edit: I assume you are Thomas Morris then. Don't worry, happy to unfollow as don't like to clog my timelines up with crap. That is I, though I do prefer Tom. Happy for you to follow. Just a gentle joke as you've accused me of following you before. No harm intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Two different groups of Saints supporting buddies of mine got into a bit of a fracas last season, when two of the individuals in particular were "discussing" Lallana, and it was apparently close to blows. I wasn't even there but was contacted by people on both sides as an intermediary! Re-surfaced a year later when some of them ran into each other in a pub when watching the Liverpool game at the weekend. All over different opinions on a player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 That is I, though I do prefer Tom. Happy for you to follow. Just a gentle joke as you've accused me of following you before. No harm intended Apologies Tom. Can't remember why I started following you, it must have been one of this situations where I was looking back at a conversation and agreed with what you said...what are the chance eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 (edited) That awful relegation season from the NPC, 09-10. Home to Burnley, early-mid season, a depressing 13,000 crowd. 'Swing Lowe' all over the place, people sarcastically banging the empty seats as a message to the board, then at around the hour mark, numerous pockets of fighting broke out around SMS. I remember watching with amazement the Northam corner, the Itchen etc, as Saints fans started fighting each other. I left that game thinking we were doomed! Yeah the atmosphere was horrible that day. Culminated in fans on pitch in front of the Burnley end lobbing stuff at each other' date=' followed by police dogs IIRC. Wasn't there also a smoke bomb thrown?[/quote'] That Burnley game was actually the last home game of the 2008/9 season, 25 April 2009 - 2-2 draw which all but relegated us (with the points deduction pending), also happens to be one of the first matches I went to with my wife. It was absolute carnage, the pitch invasion was REALLY stupid too, the dogs were out in force and early on the stupider people were trying to create gaps by getting attacked, before numbers overwhelmed the police and the dogs got pulled out of the way. The attendance was 23,927 by the way, not "13,000"! I remember a lot of empty-seat banging from the Watford game the previous October as well, we got rolled over 3-0, the only time I've left St Mary's early, as a result of the ex's mates trying to get themselves chucked out so they could go back to the Alfred early, rather than just accept they wanted to leave... Edited 21 August, 2014 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydenhampton Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Palace away a few years back nearly got naughty when a few pals & I encountered some racist Saints fans making, shall we say, derogatory comments about the appearance of a number of non-white locals in Norwood whilst in the pub beforehand. *****s! We were going to knock the mugs back to their posh village before they twigged, drank up and left sharpish. No time for any of that nonsense regardless of what shirt they're wearing. Charlton away on Boxing day back in L1 was one that I witnessed and helped break up. It was in the Antigallican pub about 1/4hr before kick off when the police came in to tell us it had been called off at the last minute. A young-ish London based Saint who was quite tanked started joking at the top of his voice that he only had to get a bus home and would be back in his local in half an hour, which was a bit insensitive really considering there were no trains and those who'd travelled up from Hampshire had to wait till much later for their coach, and get all the way to Victoria to catch it! A few of these - rather sizeable - fellas took exception to this gloating and commenced a heated tirade at the individual. I was one of 5 blokes who stopped them laying in to the lad. Naturally I kept it quiet that I too would be home within the hour by virtue of 2 buses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 21 August, 2014 Share Posted 21 August, 2014 Nice footage of Mani here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h2_gOY2pBo Ha. Hardly glamorising football there! I wonder if he ever managed to find a brown leather jacket that actually fitted him? Great hair too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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