Artur Boruc Instagram

[Toon Saint]

To be fair to Artur, RK's comments about him needing to make a decision about his future as his contract only had a year left to run seemed to spell out pretty clearly that he wasn't wanted. I think Forster will prove a good signing for us but it is questionable whether we needed to spend £10m on a marginal improvement (perhaps not even that) and end up in almost exactly the same situation as last year with no adequate back-up. I don't agree with Boruc being wet over social media about it but can understand his frustration.

[austsaint]

If things are as they appear to be, then this is a real shame, and appears to be have been handled badly. But I talk about 'appears' and 'seems' as I don't know the facts.http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2033292

I was perfectly happy with Boruc and felt we needed a decent #2 goalkeeper. The lad at Reading was mentioned.

Someone, Reed or Koeman, has chosen to go for a new #1 GK and I wonder if they talked it over with Boruc first. GK is not like other positions, where you need a squad to compete for a number of positions. It's one for one.

In an ideal world, Boruc wouldn't feel sleighted and would take the Joe Hart stance of being prepared to compete for his place.

But I do feel a little sorry for Boruc, although I don't support any strike or refusal to travel stance.

 

Agreed. I can understand the desire for GK competition and also the idea of a quality player for the future, but surely AB as the incumbent should have started the season. He was among the best in the Prem last season and I can understand his frustration.

[Sour Mash]

Problem here is your all swallowing what the manager said in public re "competition"

 

Anyone job wise been in situation you and your boss don't get on or see eye to eye?

 

And no matter what you do, how hard you work their view does not change?

Regardless of any of that, Boruc is still a paid professional with a job to do at Saints. No-one expects him to be happy with the situation and there is nothing wrong with wanting to move on, but there is a right and wrong way to go about doing that.

[Block34]

Just an observation from someone not too far off retirement.

 

As I tell my lad, when you start work, all that matters for the first few years is money/salary. Then you start to develop your career, get ambitious, need to be No1 and get to a position of 'power' so you can get more money, more perks, more blah blah blah etc.

 

But, if like for AB, someone comes in over you, it can be pretty destroying to your persona especially if the joinee has the eye of the boss instead of you - just makes you want to leave to be able to progress your career elsewhere. Being a good No2 just doesn't come into it!

 

Then time passes, career is no longer important and, especially when the job becomes second nature, all that matters is the money again (which is where I am now).

 

So, where is AB? Still career driven or approaching his 'retirement' (figurative, not actual)? Pîssed off he is no longer No1 so wants to move on? Or happy just to earn the money? Because this will completely determine what he does next.

 

I very much want Artur to stay, but I am selfish and think only of the squad and having the choice of 2 top international goalies would be so good for SFC. But I can understand why Artur would maybe want to leave if he can see he still has growth in his career.

 

Not a question of manning-up or 'growing-some', it's more fundamental to him than that.

 

But Irene - tell him to stay and take the money - there's plenty worse things he could do! And you never know, FF may just break his hand!

[Patrick Bateman]

To be fair to Artur, RK's comments about him needing to make a decision about his future as his contract only had a year left to run seemed to spell out pretty clearly that he wasn't wanted. I think Forster will prove a good signing for us but it is questionable whether we needed to spend £10m on a marginal improvement (perhaps not even that) and end up in almost exactly the same situation as last year with no adequate back-up. I don't agree with Boruc being wet over social media about it but can understand his frustration.

 

Hmmm, to be fair, if you or I did that, we'd probably be disciplined from our jobs.

[madruss]

. I think Forster will prove a good signing for us but it is questionable whether we needed to spend £10m on a marginal improvement (perhaps not even that) and end up in almost exactly the same situation as last year with no adequate back-up.

 

It won't be long exactly the same situation though. Artur's not in the best physical condition to be an ever present keeper. The smoking certainly won't help - particularly as he gets to the wrong side of 30. Fraser will miss fewer games than Artur would, so the need for back up isn't as great.

 

Another club may well come in for him, but it really won't be the end of the world if he leaves

[The9]

So, erm, he's just posted some really daft stuff (particularly the Titanic ice bucket challenge pic)... A tad antagonistic, he seems to revel in it.

[JRM]

To be honest I think the writing has been on the wall since his violent attack on the chapel stand at Spurs at home.

[washsaint]

Wow.....this has degenerated quickly. What a surprise.

 

I genuinely feel for Boruc, who really didn't do anything wrong last season but now has lost his place. If Koeman does not rate him/is unimpressed then Artur is best off somewhere else as he will have zero chance regaining his place.

 

It is very frustrating....on the one hand we slate players leaving but then are unimpressed when Boruc (perhaps with good reason) states he is unhappy with things and not being given a chance.

 

Football is a cut throat business for sure. Irene should also be cut some slack - she is just providing information and for the usual suspects to sneer and be their usual keyboard warrior is plainly out of order.

[Saint Charlie]

This is all rather tiresome. However Boruc does have a point, by saying Forster is no1 it isnt competition.

 

But his reaction is poor. Im sure the club wouldnt stand in his way if something came up for him, and this could all be handled behind the scenes.

[Trout-Tickler]

It won't be long exactly the same situation though. Artur's not in the best physical condition to be an ever present keeper. The smoking certainly won't help - particularly as he gets to the wrong side of 30. Fraser will miss fewer games than Artur would, so the need for back up isn't as great.

 

Another club may well come in for him, but it really won't be the end of the world if he leaves

 

You talk as though Boruc had a poor injury record last season when the only games he missed were due to the broken hand he got at Chelsea. If Forster breaks his hand he'll be out for the same length of time regardless of being younger.

[angelman]

Has he been on the sauce tonight?

[View From The Top]

TBF, I couldn't give a flying f**k if he's happy or not. We've upgraded, it happens.

[madruss]

You talk as though Boruc had a poor injury record last season when the only games he missed were due to the broken hand he got at Chelsea. If Forster breaks his hand he'll be out for the same length of time regardless of being younger.

No, he missed other games through niggles, minor strains. The sort of injuries that you don't normally see keepers getting. It also took him a long time to get properly fit when he first joined, and that scenario is only going to get worse as he gets older

[Sour Mash]

Wow.....this has degenerated quickly. What a surprise.

 

I genuinely feel for Boruc, who really didn't do anything wrong last season but now has lost his place. If Koeman does not rate him/is unimpressed then Artur is best off somewhere else as he will have zero chance regaining his place.

 

It is very frustrating....on the one hand we slate players leaving but then are unimpressed when Boruc (perhaps with good reason) states he is unhappy with things and not being given a chance.

 

Football is a cut throat business for sure. Irene should also be cut some slack - she is just providing information and for the usual suspects to sneer and be their usual keyboard warrior is plainly out of order.

We have hardly slated players for leaving at all this summer, Saints fans have been magnanimous more than most would be. I doubt many would have a problem with Boruc if he moved on, but if he chooses to throw a strop, not be a useful 2nd choice whilst at the club then he can well and truly be told to f**k off by our fans and rightly so.

[Trout-Tickler]

Wow.....this has degenerated quickly. What a surprise.

 

I genuinely feel for Boruc, who really didn't do anything wrong last season but now has lost his place. If Koeman does not rate him/is unimpressed then Artur is best off somewhere else as he will have zero chance regaining his place.

 

It is very frustrating....on the one hand we slate players leaving but then are unimpressed when Boruc (perhaps with good reason) states he is unhappy with things and not being given a chance.

 

Football is a cut throat business for sure. Irene should also be cut some slack - she is just providing information and for the usual suspects to sneer and be their usual keyboard warrior is plainly out of order.

 

Agree with this. Forster signs one day and the day after Koeman is saying he's here as number 1. There's never been any competition to see who'll be the number 1 for this season. However, clubs like Saints don't sign keepers for £10M and not have them as first choice. Forster probably wouldn't have come if he wasn't going to be first choice I guess.

[Sour Mash]

You talk as though Boruc had a poor injury record last season when the only games he missed were due to the broken hand he got at Chelsea. If Forster breaks his hand he'll be out for the same length of time regardless of being younger.

He's missed quite a few games with us across the two seasons for various injury issues, by goalkeeping standards he has been quite injury prone.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

You talk as though Boruc had a poor injury record last season when the only games he missed were due to the broken hand he got at Chelsea. If Forster breaks his hand he'll be out for the same length of time regardless of being younger.

 

He definitely missed the City away game, which was after the hand injury.

[irene]

He definitely missed the City away game, which was after the hand injury.

 

He missed a couple after hand with a back injury

[KelvinsRightGlove]

He missed a couple after hand with a back injury

 

Ah ok. Couldn't remember what it was. I thought it was 'illness'. But yeah, I was at that game & it was definitely the clown Gazza in goal.

[Tractor_Saint]

And now he's saying he's number 5 keeper in the pecking order. Wow, he must have seriously done something wrong with RK!

[Appy]

If Boruc is off we still need another keeper.

[angelman]

He'd only be 5th choice because of his attitude. It's up to him really, how he wants to play this one and at present it would appear from the outside that he isn't playing it too well.

[SarniaSaint]

And now he's saying he's number 5 keeper in the pecking order. Wow, he must have seriously done something wrong with RK!

 

Maybe his attitude to the situation saw him drop below Cropper in the pecking order.

[Whitey Grandad]

The selfish pillock. He's paid to be available if picked and paid very well. He's an ok keeper but not entirely reliable. I think we've done the right thing in getting an upgrade.

[angelman]

He missed a couple after hand with a back injury

 

Last season he played 29 - missed 7 with a fractured hand and 2 others (Man City & Cardiff). Of those 9 games, we lost 6, drew 2 and won 1.

[irene]

Last season he played 29 - missed 7 with a fractured hand and 2 others (Man City & Cardiff). Of those 9 games, we lost 6, drew 2 and won 1.

 

Thus why Forster was got. Back up was very poor. Currently same situation is happening only with hope Forster does not get injured. Freak accident and KD is up

[BadgerBadger]

Surely part of Forsters deal was if he was to sign it was for him to be no 1 - we said yes, told AB that was going to be the case and he threw his toys out the pram, understandable but not unusual

[Lord Duckhunter]

Thus why Forster was got. Back up was very poor. Currently same situation is happening only with hope Forster does not get injured. Freak accident and KD is up

 

Talking of KD, what is the difference between Nigel Adkins getting Artur in because he did not feel kelvin was good enough and RK doing the same this season. Nothing, the only difference was the reaction of the "dropped " keeper .

[shurlock]

Talking of KD, what is the difference between Nigel Adkins getting Artur in because he did not feel kelvin was good enough and RK doing the same this season. Nothing, the only difference was the reaction of the "dropped " keeper .

 

They're hopelessly different situations.

 

KD and Gazza had both made howlers prior to Boruc joining. Do you remember the 6-1 up at Arsenal? Boruc, by contrast, hadn't done anything wrong - indeed he finished last season in some of his best form. And Boruc didn't walk straight into the first team - he had to wait a month or so.

 

You'll get this analogy business right, one day.

[Lord Duckhunter]

They're hopelessly different situations.

 

KD and Gazza had both made howlers prior to Boruc joining. Do you remember the 6-1 up at Arsenal? Boruc, by contrast, hadn't done anything wrong - indeed he finished last season in some of his best form. And Boruc didn't walk straight into the first team - he had to wait a month or so.

 

You'll get this analogy business right, one day.

 

Your opinion is that AB hasn't done anything wrong , RK obviously feels differently . Spending £10 mil on a keeper suggests to me he doesn't rate Boruc. It's up to Boruc to prove him wrong , or he could throw his toys out of the pram and Leave him feeing he defo made the right call.

 

The reason Boruc didn't walk straight into the first team was he was unfit. FF had already played 2 champions league games. Boruc wasn't left out because of some loyalty to kelvin or Gazza it was because he had put on some timber and was clearly not match fit .

Edited 21 August, 2014 by Lord Duckhunter

[BlakeySFC]

Upto Boruc now to knuckle down, get on with it, make the best out of a bad situation and slowly work his way back into the managers thoughts, if he can't be arsed with that though he may decide to leave (if we let him).

[shurlock]

Your opinion is that AB hasn't done anything wrong , RK obviously feels differently . Spending £10 mil on a keeper suggests to me he doesn't rate Boruc. It's up to Boruc to prove him wrong , or he could throw his toys out of the pram and Leave him feeing he defo made the right call.

 

The reason Boruc didn't walk straight into the first team was he was unfit. FF had already played 2 champions league games. Boruc wasn't left out because of some loyalty to kelvin or Gazza it was because he had put on some timber and was clearly not match fit .

 

Agree that Boruc initially arrived out of shape; though Adkins also stuck by his keepers. It took him a long time to wield the axe on Gazza before returning to KD and only after he flapped and flailed up Stoke opting again for Boruc (Arsenal home) - by which time he had been at the club 3-4 months and in shape.

 

Ultimately it's the manager's prerogative to pick the team he wants while living with the consequences -Boruc's reaction is unfortunate but not unforeseeable. Not sure what this has to do with KD/Gazza example - except to say if Boruc had been playing as badly as they had been, I doubt he would have objected in the same way to relinquishing the no.1 spot.

Edited 21 August, 2014 by shurlock

[Bwanamakubwa]

If Koeman decided Forster was number one, I can understand the Boruc frustration and sympathise. Boruc was the best keeper we have had for a long time and he probably knows it.

 

Surely though he keeps quiet, knuckles down, works hard and waits for Forster to either make a mistake or get injured. Then he steps in to reclaim the shirt and keeps it until that cycle repeats itself. If that doesnt happen and he is dropped instantly again then fair doos, complain and leave the club in January. We have had ONE game and he is already kicking off, had he kept quiet time would have afforded him far more support to his cause. 10-15 games into the season would have been a far better time to vocalize his grievances.

 

The only similar case at the moment is Cech. I would expect him to adopt a more dignified and professional approach.

[Delboy Dave]

Was he ****ed last night?

 

http://instagram.com/p/r7kLR3AHVG/

 

 

[Greenridge]

We have hardly slated players for leaving at all this summer, Saints fans have been magnanimous more than most would be.

 

Lol I nearly choked on my rice crispies. That's the funniest thing I've read on here this year.

[Turkish]

Your opinion is that AB hasn't done anything wrong , RK obviously feels differently . Spending £10 mil on a keeper suggests to me he doesn't rate Boruc. It's up to Boruc to prove him wrong , or he could throw his toys out of the pram and Leave him feeing he defo made the right call.

 

The reason Boruc didn't walk straight into the first team was he was unfit. FF had already played 2 champions league games. Boruc wasn't left out because of some loyalty to kelvin or Gazza it was because he had put on some timber and was clearly not match fit .

 

It's pretty clear why Koeman signed Forster from his comments when he joined. We were thinking long term and wanted a good keeper to be our number one for a few years. Boruc is in his mid thirties now and only has a year left on his contract. That said though I like him a lot and has been good for us since he's been here so felt he should have kept the number one position until Forster made it impossible for him to be left out. But disappointed with all thae soppy messages on Instagram, thought he was more of a chap than that.

[Batman]

Boruc can bore off as far as I am concerned, now

[Plastic]

I love Boruc but he's clearly gone bat **** crazy after losing his place. Expect his fitness to disappear as he seeks solace in booze and fags. Get rid now I'm sorry to say.

[shirleysfc]

I'm glad we got Forster but there should be more competition for the no. 1 spot. That being said, Boruc is acting like a tit now.

[S-Clarke]

I tell you what, this club has done a great job in breeding primadonnas. Never known anything like it in my life! They are all so precious and unprofessional, really quite incredible.

 

Another cup gone within the Cortese house of cups I'd think.

[Turkish]

Boruc can bore off as far as I am concerned, now

 

Kick a man while he's down Jamie. First he loses his place now he's got to put up with no sympathy from you. It never rains but it pours.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I follow @ArturBoruc on twitter but haven't got all these latest ones from him

[shirleysfc]

I follow @ArturBoruc on twitter but haven't got all these latest ones from him

 

It's all on Instagram

[KingdomCome]

I know what it's like to have a personality clash with your manager and to suffer the lack of progression because of it. To be honest, I had to leave the company because of it. If Boruc is not going to be given a chance, I can understand completely why he wants out.

 

I don't know what's happened between RK and AB, so I can't judge. I really want FF and AB to both be competing for the position rather than feeling he has no choice but to leave to get football. There are ways of going about leaving though.

[egg]

It's pretty clear why Koeman signed Forster from his comments when he joined. We were thinking long term and wanted a good keeper to be our number one for a few years. Boruc is in his mid thirties now and only has a year left on his contract. That said though I like him a lot and has been good for us since he's been here so felt he should have kept the number one position until Forster made it impossible for him to be left out. But disappointed with all thae soppy messages on Instagram, thought he was more of a chap than that.

 

But Del, FF wouldn't have come to be number 2. We needed a long term solution and AB throwing his toys out is an unfortunate consequence of that. Sad outcome but onwards and upwards.

[KMondo]

Wow.....this has degenerated quickly. What a surprise.

 

I genuinely feel for Boruc, who really didn't do anything wrong last season but now has lost his place. If Koeman does not rate him/is unimpressed then Artur is best off somewhere else as he will have zero chance regaining his place.

 

It is very frustrating....on the one hand we slate players leaving but then are unimpressed when Boruc (perhaps with good reason) states he is unhappy with things and not being given a chance.

 

Football is a cut throat business for sure. Irene should also be cut some slack - she is just providing information and for the usual suspects to sneer and be their usual keyboard warrior is plainly out of order.

 

Come on now. He made some great saves but also did some of the stupidest stuff I've seen since Ian Andrews wore the shirt. The Begovic goal? The Wanyama 'pass'? The Giroud incident?

 

I do feel for the guy, but he's not exactly helping himself to move back up the pecking order.

[angelman]

OK, many of us have questioned whether we really needed to spend £10m on a keeper. Most of us thought not, but RK and Dave Watson obviously think it was very important and an area that was vital to strengthen. I think that tells you all you need to know about their faith in AB, which differs from ours. Phil Thompson on one of those Sky programmes, went against the grain (of the other panellists) and said he thought it was a good move and that it might save us 10 points a season. We can go on all we like, but I think Dave Watson (whose decision I think it probably is) is better qualified than all of us. Maybe he didn't like what he saw for the goal vs Bayer, maybe he saw technical faults elsewhere - who knows? But a club like ours does not go and splash £10m on a keeper without having thought through it pretty damned thoroughly.

[Turkish]

But Del, FF wouldn't have come to be number 2. We needed a long term solution and AB throwing his toys out is an unfortunate consequence of that. Sad outcome but onwards and upwards.

 

This is probably true. Suppose there is no sentiment in football. Can understand why Boruc has got the hump but he's either got to get on with it and prove his worth or as now seems likely move on.

[Sour Mash]

Lol I nearly choked on my rice crispies. That's the funniest thing I've read on here this year.

Why?