Plumstead_Saint Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Muppet. If I could be arsed to join Instagram I would tell him to button it and let his football do the talking.... ..oh and don't try dribbling past Premier league strikers ;-)
scotty Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Legia to launch a further appeal. http://talksport.com/football/not-over-yet-celtic-legia-warsaw-make-final-appeal-stay-champions-league-140815108063 It does seem farcical. An 86th minute substitute, is that really worth overturning a champions league place?? How much difference could it have made to the result, were Celtic about to score 5 goals in the last 6 minutes? I'd have thought a fine for the club would have been appropriate.
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 If they're equally good why not rotate them regularly? Keepers are the one position where changes won't disrupt the rest of the team. That's the silliest thing I've ever heard, you don't rotate the GK position.
Dark Munster Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 That's the silliest thing I've ever heard, you don't rotate the GK position. I'm waiting for you to give a good reason not to.
Sour Mash Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 I'm waiting for you to give a good reason not to. They build up a relationship with their defence, get into regular match form. Also chances are one is actually better than the other, if only slightly. Why don't you think any clubs do it?
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 I'm waiting for you to give a good reason not to. Because the relationship between the back 4 and the goal keeper is as crucial as any other. The people in front need to trust the GK, that trust and familiarity does not come when you keep chopping and changing the GK position. There are a few good reasons why not to.
CB Saint Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 I'm waiting for you to give a good reason not to. the Davies , gazza, boruc shuffle of two years ago. That went really well.
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 What is it with these modern day footballers, sticking up these soft little pictures on social networking sites, behaviour of a 15 year old kid, not a so called top professional. Bunch of soft c**ts. This, basically. You can't have a player telling the manager who he should play. There will only be one winner.
whelk Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 That's the silliest thing I've ever heard, you don't rotate the GK position. Clemence and Shilton
St Chalet Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Clemence and Shilton Do Boruc and Schezny alternate for Poland? [awaits MLG]
Dark Munster Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 the Davies , gazza, boruc shuffle of two years ago. That went really well. It doesn't work if 2 are crap.
St Jim Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 He needs to man up and face the competition head in. If he believes in himself that he should have that #1 spot he should work to prove RK & DW wrong on the training pitch. Jesus, players are f_ing soft these days.
Dark Munster Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Because the relationship between the back 4 and the goal keeper is as crucial as any other. The people in front need to trust the GK, that trust and familiarity does not come when you keep chopping and changing the GK position. There are a few good reasons why not to. Footballers aren't babies (well, most aren't). I think grown-up professionals can handle playing in front of different quality keepers. Rotating keepers is not a novel experiment (google it - hint: Stoke and ManUre, for example). Reasons to rotate two equally good keepers: keeps both happy, they still will both get plenty of playing time (often averaging one league or cup game a week, especially over the crowded holiday period). Keeps them fresher, physically and mentally. Reasons not to keep an equally good keeper on the bench: unlike an outfield player, he'll stay on the bench for 90 minutes every game (barring an injury or sending off). He'll be less match sharp if called upon. He may get pissed off and do a Lovren.
Turkish Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Clemence and Shilton So in the last 40 odd years we can find one , perhaps two example of it being a good idea to rotate keepers. Case closed.
St Chalet Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 So in the last 40 odd years we can find one , perhaps two example of it being a good idea to rotate keepers. Case closed. Disagree. Even that was a **** idea. Shilton would have held the world record for international caps but for this ridiculous tactic. Also during this period Englands qualification record was utter pony.
Turkish Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Disagree. Even that was a **** idea. Shilton would have held the world record for international caps but for this ridiculous tactic. Also during this period Englands qualification record was utter pony. So no examples then. Case closed.
Dark Munster Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 So no examples then. Case closed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2213689/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-impressed-David-Gea-rotate-goalkeepers-Manchester-United.html
Turkish Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2213689/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-impressed-David-Gea-rotate-goalkeepers-Manchester-United.html the significant difference being a as ferguson said, both keepers were inexperienced so he was doing it to give them that experience. Are you suggesting that Boruc is inexperienced? Keep 'em coming.
Dark Munster Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 the significant difference being a as ferguson said, both keepers were inexperienced so he was doing it to give them that experience. Are you suggesting that Boruc is inexperienced? Keep 'em coming. Both equally good, that's the point. Nice try though. http://thesportspost.com/blogs/view/soccer-goalkeeper-rotation-jose-mourinho Yep, nobody's ever thought of it before. And because it hasn't been done regularly in the past it's doomed to failure, just like all other recent ideas.
Turkish Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Both equally good, that's the point. Nice try though. http://thesportspost.com/blogs/view/soccer-goalkeeper-rotation-jose-mourinho Yep, nobody's ever thought of it before. And because it hasn't been done regularly in the past it's doomed to failure, just like all other recent ideas. Clubs might now be realising its a good idea to have 2 good keepers, all three relegated teams were arguably stronger int he goalkeeping department last season than we were, that doesn't mean they'll all be rotating them week in week out. Still It's going well for you this isn't it. One club for one season in the entire world football have rotated two experienced keepers. Keep 'em coming.
Saint Posted 15 August, 2014 Posted 15 August, 2014 Clubs might now be realising its a good idea to have 2 good keepers, all three relegated teams were arguably stronger int he goalkeeping department last season than we were, that doesn't mean they'll all be rotating them week in week out. Still It's going well for you this isn't it. One club for one season in the entire world football have rotated two experienced keepers. Keep 'em coming. Both equally good, that's the point. Nice try though. http://thesportspost.com/blogs/view/soccer-goalkeeper-rotation-jose-mourinho Yep, nobody's ever thought of it before. And because it hasn't been done regularly in the past it's doomed to failure, just like all other recent ideas. You're a pair of sad acts. Go to bed.
Dark Munster Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 You're a pair of sad acts. Go to bed. Only 6:53 pm here in Southern California mate. Too early for my bedtime. Nice username BTW. How come no-one used it before you?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 No Boruc in training vid? Is he being kept away from the squad?
Saint Charlie Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 According to a Saints fan who is staying at the same hotel as the team there is no Boruc in Liverpool. Morgan is there though. Boruc will go, if we stick with KD and Gazza as no 2 keeper then it will bite us at some point in the season.
Greenridge Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 We're obviously looking to the future (as well as today) with Forster but if Boruc has thrown his toys out then, in the short term, we're no better off in the keeper stakes. Actually we're -£10m.
Batman Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 We're obviously looking to the future (as well as today) with Forster but if Boruc has thrown his toys out then, in the short term, we're no better off in the keeper stakes. Actually we're -£10m. we would be better off for RK building a team. we have had so many leave, what difference does it make now
Saint Billy Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 We're obviously looking to the future (as well as today) with Forster but if Boruc has thrown his toys out then, in the short term, we're no better off in the keeper stakes. Actually we're -£10m. We are better off in terms of having a better number one goalkeeper. Boruc has made some wonder saves but when he keeps punting the ball to the opposition and keeps having his brain storms it counts for nothing. Forester is as good as Boruc but hopefully he is not as bad.
Greenridge Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 We are better off in terms of having a better number one goalkeeper. Boruc has made some wonder saves but when he keeps punting the ball to the opposition and keeps having his brain storms it counts for nothing. Forester is as good as Boruc but hopefully he is not as bad. Not disputing that could well be the case. I take it you've watched Forster for a whole season to make that comment so it's good to hear. We still need more depth in the keeper department if Boruc is not on board.
VectisSaint Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 We are better off in terms of having a better number one goalkeeper. Boruc has made some wonder saves but when he keeps punting the ball to the opposition and keeps having his brain storms it counts for nothing. Forester is as good as Boruc but hopefully he is not as bad. This is what I don't get. How has anyone come to the conclusion that Forster is better than Boruc? I think Forster is OK, and is still young so is great for the future, but whenever I have seen him play he has not looked as good as Artur in any way shape or form (I'll admit I did not see the game against Barca). I thought that Boruc would start this season (especially against Liverhampton given that Forster has not played a game with our defence and only had a week to get to know them). Accepted that Forster would gradually take over as Boruc is looking to go back to Legia next season. Now if Boruc is not going to fight for the GK jersey that puts us in a worse position than last season, a slightly poorer first choice and the same poor backup (with Kelvin another year older to boot). Hope FF proves me wrong, but not convinced.
Batman Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 This is what I don't get. How has anyone come to the conclusion that Forster is better than Boruc? I think Forster is OK, and is still young so is great for the future, but whenever I have seen him play he has not looked as good as Artur in any way shape or form (I'll admit I did not see the game against Barca). I thought that Boruc would start this season (especially against Liverhampton given that Forster has not played a game with our defence and only had a week to get to know them). Accepted that Forster would gradually take over as Boruc is looking to go back to Legia next season. Now if Boruc is not going to fight for the GK jersey that puts us in a worse position than last season, a slightly poorer first choice and the same poor backup (with Kelvin another year older to boot). Hope FF proves me wrong, but not convinced. even celtic fans, who love boruc have even said in the majority that forster is better
shurlock Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 According to a Saints fan who is staying at the same hotel as the team there is no Boruc in Liverpool. Morgan is there though. Boruc will go, if we stick with KD and Gazza as no 2 keeper then it will bite us at some point in the season. The saving grace is that Boruc was pretty injury-prone for a keeper. We are vulnerable if we're forced to rely on Davis/Gazzanigga but can't see Forster missing much, if any, time.
Saint Charlie Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 The saving grace is that Boruc was pretty injury-prone for a keeper. We are vulnerable if we're forced to rely on Davis/Gazzanigga but can't see Forster missing much, if any, time. Anyone can get injured at any time. Not worth gambling with. Of course a a Saints stalwart and club captain but what is the point of Davis now as a player? He isn't good enough now to play any PL minutes. Should be a clear no 3.
doddisalegend Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Vicious circle isn't it? We really need two good quality keepers in the squad but good quality keepers don't want to be back up not sure how you get around a situation like that.
Pedro Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 If true then another show of petulance and lack of professionalism from a well paid player. I know this sort of thing happens but it seems to be worse than ever this year, the tail is certainly wagging the dog these days.
Saint Billy Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 No I haven't watched Forester for a full season granted, but I have seen him play enough to know that he is pretty good. He is also Englands number 2 and RK obviously rates him enough to get the board to splash out 10m on him. As mentioned earlier, Boruc is a great keeper but when he is bad, boy he makes some horrendous and embarrasing blunders. What we need is consistency in a keeper and not one that you are not sure what he will do next. What I dont get is that on this forum there has been an outcry to get a better keeper, and now that we have many are saying that Boruc should still be our number 1.
doddisalegend Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 No I haven't watched Forester for a full season granted, but I have seen him play enough to know that he is pretty good. He is also Englands number 2 and RK obviously rates him enough to get the board to splash out 10m on him. As mentioned earlier, Boruc is a great keeper but when he is bad, boy he makes some horrendous and embarrasing blunders. What we need is consistency in a keeper and not one that you are not sure what he will do next. What I dont get is that on this forum there has been an outcry to get a better keeper, and now that we have many are saying that Boruc should still be our number 1. Just another stick to beat the board with...........
Dark Munster Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Vicious circle isn't it? We really need two good quality keepers in the squad but good quality keepers don't want to be back up not sure how you get around a situation like that. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?51446-Artur-Boruc-Instagram&p=2029208#post2029208 But don't tell Turkish.
Mr X Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 anyone considered this may be related to a non football event? not everything people post is topical............. looks likely though
Verbal Kint Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Just force him to stay and let him go on a free next summer. His contract doesn't stipulate that he's entitled to be picked every week. It does state that he has to train and make himself available for selection, even it's as a sub. Should also be noted the reason he won't be first choice is his own fault having made appalling errors last year
irene Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Just force him to stay and let him go on a free next summer. His contract doesn't stipulate that he's entitled to be picked every week. It does state that he has to train and make himself available for selection, even it's as a sub. Should also be noted the reason he won't be first choice is his own fault having made appalling errors last year Yes one of top goalkeepers in epl last year, made two appalling errors in whole season and was his fault he lost his place. Try how bad saouthampton were the 6weeks he missed with the two backups in goal if you want to look at shocking keeping. Same apply tomorrow if mr 10 million makes two howlers?! Doubt it in Koemans eyes
Patrick Bateman Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 To be fair, the Cruyff turn against Arsenal was hilarious - balls for trying it
Verbal Kint Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Yes one of top goalkeepers in epl last year, made two appalling errors in whole season and was his fault he lost his place. Try how bad saouthampton were the 6weeks he missed with the two backups in goal if you want to look at shocking keeping. Same apply tomorrow if mr 10 million makes two howlers?! Doubt it in Koemans eyes Didn't say he was a shocking keeper, said he made appalling errors which he did. The fact Gazzaniga is even worse isn't reason for us to stick with Boruc as no.1 If he's that good the big boys will be putting in bids in the next couple of weeks, but somehow I doubt it
The Majestic Channon Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 168 posts about boruc irene ??? your'e neglecting the housework love
irene Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Didn't say he was a shocking keeper, said he made appalling errors which he did. The fact Gazzaniga is even worse isn't reason for us to stick with Boruc as no.1 If he's that good the big boys will be putting in bids in the next couple of weeks, but somehow I doubt it No as a club southampton field who they want. Doesnt mean a player who has ambition should waste his time on your bench because club want a decent back up because their other two keepers they pay every week a lot of money are so freaking poor
irene Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 168 posts about boruc irene ??? your'e neglecting the housework love Don't waste your 3 posts a day worrying about my housework
Verbal Kint Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 No as a club southampton field who they want. Doesnt mean a player who has ambition should waste his time on your bench because club want a decent back up because their other two keepers they pay every week a lot of money are so freaking poor Shouldn't have signed a contract for more than a year then if it was that important to him then. Can't have the financial stability of a long term contract without sacrificing the ultimate say over where he plays his football for the duration of said contract. It's very simple
sentry Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 It is strange though Irene, what is your agenda? You may know him, but why so concerned?
irene Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Shouldn't have signed a contract for more than a year then if it was that important to him then. Can't have the financial stability of a long term contract without sacrificing the ultimate say over where he plays his football for the duration of said contract. It's very simple Quite a number of your players had said contracts, wanted out, threw said toys out pram and got their move
Verbal Kint Posted 16 August, 2014 Posted 16 August, 2014 Quite a number of your players had said contracts, wanted out, threw said toys out pram and got their move Because we accepted very good offers for them, offers we deemed too good to turn down. You know of any big bids for him? Didn't think so
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