ISIS recruiting in Oxford Street - London

[Bearsy]

Meanwhile, SaintsWeb seeks new self-appointed expert of history as last one dies in bloody, unwitting suicide.

 

i will fill this void, soon as i find out what an isisis

[Bearsy]

Meanwhile, SaintsWeb seeks new self-appointed expert of history as last one dies in bloody, unwitting suicide.

 

i will fill this void, soon as i find out what an isisis

[pap]

i will fill this void, soon as i find out what an isisis

 

Mate, the job is yours. Oddly enough, actually knowing any history is not a requirement.

 

Just bung a review up of a history show every now and then, written in the style of Victorian Dad, and I think you're golden.

[pap]

i will fill this void, soon as i find out what an isisis

 

Mate, the job is yours. Oddly enough, actually knowing any history is not a requirement.

 

Just bung a review up of a history show every now and then, written in the style of Victorian Dad, and I think you're golden.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Man pulled up on his own bullshít inexplicably decides more bullshít is the answer

 

Meanwhile, SaintsWeb seeks new self-appointed expert of history as last one dies in bloody, unwitting suicide.

 

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Man pulled up on his own bullshít inexplicably decides more bullshít is the answer

 

Meanwhile, SaintsWeb seeks new self-appointed expert of history as last one dies in bloody, unwitting suicide.

 

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

[View From The Top]

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

 

TBF to Pap, who often writes some right bolllloxs, he owns you with ease. In boxing parlance, your corner would have thrown the towel in long ago.

[View From The Top]

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

 

TBF to Pap, who often writes some right bolllloxs, he owns you with ease. In boxing parlance, your corner would have thrown the towel in long ago.

[pap]

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

 

Arf. There is one person in this debate that doesn't know when to shut up.

 

It's not me.

 

Let's recap, shall we? Your entry into this discussion was your feeble point about Gaza demonstrators "losing their voice" because they didn't protest IS. It's a claim I've seen repeated loads, and believe me, it's as easy to destroy as it was here.

 

Instead of showing the merest bit of humility, and admitting you hadn't really thought it through, we get this flailing, substance-free set of suspicions and invented motivations.

 

On the invented motivations, I'd normally bother to justify myself, but you honestly don't warrant it, and anyone that knows me personally will be aware you're talking out of your ring.

[pap]

Is this really the best you can do?

 

Surely (if all else fails) instead of resorting to mere insults you could have dug up a silly new conspiracy theory or perhaps Googled another long list of celebrity endorsements for the forum's amusement? I for one know how devastatingly convincing that sort of thing can be because if someone on the telly thinks something then it must be true ...

 

If you ever do manage to summon up anything remotely resembling a proper argument re the left wing and anti-Semitism then please come back, because I do kind of enjoy our little chats when I'm in the mood. Otherwise it's probably best you shut up for once in your life.

 

Arf. There is one person in this debate that doesn't know when to shut up.

 

It's not me.

 

Let's recap, shall we? Your entry into this discussion was your feeble point about Gaza demonstrators "losing their voice" because they didn't protest IS. It's a claim I've seen repeated loads, and believe me, it's as easy to destroy as it was here.

 

Instead of showing the merest bit of humility, and admitting you hadn't really thought it through, we get this flailing, substance-free set of suspicions and invented motivations.

 

On the invented motivations, I'd normally bother to justify myself, but you honestly don't warrant it, and anyone that knows me personally will be aware you're talking out of your ring.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Arf. There is one person in this debate that doesn't know when to shut up.

 

It's not me.

 

Let's recap, shall we? Your entry into this discussion was your feeble point about Gaza demonstrators "losing their voice" because they didn't protest IS. It's a claim I've seen repeated loads, and believe me, it's as easy to destroy as it was here.

 

Instead of showing the merest bit of humility, and admitting you hadn't really thought it through, we get this flailing, substance-free set of suspicions and invented motivations.

 

On the invented motivations, I'd normally bother to justify myself, but you honestly don't warrant it, and anyone that knows me personally will be aware you're talking out of your ring.

 

I suspect that anyone who knows you personally runs a mile whenever they see you coming. As for my supposed lack of humility ... well coming from you that is more than a little 'rich'.

 

I see you are still attempting to maintain (for some reason that escapes all logical analysis) that the deafening silence we perceive from the left today re the appalling behaviour of the 'Islamic State' in Iraq and Syria is a 'feeble' point. This is suggestive. Far from being 'feeble' it seems to me that any fair minded observer must conclude that the obvious double standard on display here exposes their utter lack of any real concern for Human Rights, or if there is any genuine feeling it is subservient to the overriding importance of politics. History shows this to be the mindset of the true fanatic. I say that if you profess to be concerned for the suffering of your fellow man then you better understand that this sense empathy can only be applied universally, or not at all. Any well balanced adult should be able to understand this key point because only an obsessive (such as yourself perhaps) can't see that our suffering transcends sterile old left/right political arguments, arguments that most sane people have long consigned to the dust bin of history.

 

Over the years I've learned to tolerate a lot on here, ignorance, stupidly, prejudice even ... I like to think I can cope with any of that. I've also come to see your ridiculous conspiracy theories as a kind of eccentric display of leftist paranoia, disrespectful to the truth for sure, but widely rejected and ultimately more harmful to you rather than anyone else. The one thing I still can't learn to tolerate however is hypocrisy.

 

And you Sir are quite the biggest hypocrite I've had the misfortune to know on here.

[pap]

I see you are still attempting to maintain (for some reason that escapes all logical analysis) that the deafening silence we perceive from the left today re the appalling behaviour of the 'Islamic State' in Iraq and Syria is a 'feeble' point. This is suggestive. Far from being 'feeble' it seems to me that any fair minded observer must conclude that the obvious double standard on display here exposes their utter lack of any real concern for Human Rights, or if there is any genuine feeling it is subservient to the overriding importance of politics. History shows this to be the mindset of the true fanatic. I say that if you profess to be concerned for the suffering of your fellow man then you better understand that this sense empathy can only be applied universally, or not at all. Any well balanced adult should be able to understand this key point because only an obsessive (such as yourself perhaps) can't see that our suffering transcends sterile old left/right political arguments, arguments that most sane people have long consigned to the dust bin of history.

 

Over the years I've learned to tolerate a lot on here, ignorance, stupidly, prejudice even ... I like to think I can cope with any of that. I've also come to see your ridiculous conspiracy theories as a kind of eccentric display of leftist paranoia, disrespectful to the truth for sure, but widely rejected and ultimately more harmful to you rather than anyone else. The one thing I still can't learn to tolerate however is hypocrisy.

 

And you Sir are quite the biggest hypocrite I've had the misfortune to know on here.

 

Aw mate, if hypocrisy is your particular bug bear, I think you're going to have serious trouble living on Planet Earth, not to mention any serious re-read of some of your previous posts. I'm with Jack Dee on the matter. Hypocrisy comes in handy.

 

I need to maintain nothing in relation to the "deafening silence we perceive from the left". As we speak, Western governments are mobilising operational and military support to assist the Kurdish in the region.

 

What more would you have us do, Charlie? The West is already sending more aid to those fighting IS than it has ever sent to the Palestinians. What can be done that isn't already being done? What would a mass protest of the left actually achieve in material relief for those affected?

 

Iraq is being handled.

 

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/the-tale-of-two-sieges-the-yazidi-one-in-iraq-that-wasn-t-and-the-one-in-gaza-that-is#.U_Jod_ldXcg

 

I think you lack the basic tools to talk with any authority on history. None of your input in this thread is sourced, most of your opinions are regurgitated spew from right wing blogs, unpleasant - but a piece of píss to clean up.

 

I suspect that anyone who knows you personally runs a mile whenever they see you coming. As for my supposed lack of humility ... well coming from you that is more than a little 'rich'.

 

I've climbed down plenty of times in my time, Charlie - and have been humble enough when's that's happened.

 

I've got no suspicions at all. The thread tells its own tale, and I'm not going to editorialise it further, except to say that I don't think potentially vicious stuff like this (I'd have to care, etc.) is the slam-dunk you hope it is.

Edited 18 August, 2014 by pap

[Jonnyboy]

Will these ISIS chuggers accept a £2 a month direct debit as that's all I can stretch to at the moment?

Edited 18 August, 2014 by Jonnyboy

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

For your information I'm seldom to be found perusing internet 'blogs' whether they be from the left or the right of the political spectrum - I leave that kind of thing to the likes of you. Indeed hard as it may be for you to imagine but not everyone in the world still thinks in those restrictive left v right terms. Unlike you we are not all 'political animals' in that sense and I for one am not about to apologise for that.

 

Your problem is - or should I say one of your problems is - that instead of making the mental effort to challenge your own set of (leftist) assumptions and perhaps take on board views that run counter to your own, you instead seek out only the opinions of those who happen to share in your particular world view. Hence you perpetually reinforce your own prejudice. The long list of leftist celebrity endorsements you saw fit to post on here recently prove this point more elegantly than I ever could. Once learned, stereotypes and prejudices become resistant to change of course, even when the available evidence fails to support them or even points to the contrary. This also goes a long way towards explaining your obvious intolerant attitude towards anyone who dares to express an opinion that runs contrary to yours - indeed I suspect you struggle to comprehended how anyone could possibly not agree with you in the first place.

 

So if you want to broaden your mind and become a more interesting and rounded contributor to this forum then my advice to you is to put down 'The Socialist Worker' and pick a copy of the 'Daily Mail' instead - you won't agree with a single word it says, but in time you might just come to understand that there is more than one side to (almost) any argument.

[pap]

For your information I'm seldom to be found perusing internet 'blogs' whether they be from the left or the right of the political spectrum - I leave that kind of thing to the likes of you. Indeed hard as it may be for you to imagine but not everyone in the world still thinks in those restrictive left v right terms. Unlike you we are not all 'political animals' in that sense and I for one am not about to apologise for that.

 

Your problem is - or should I say one of your problems is - that instead of making the mental effort to challenge your own set of (leftist) assumptions and perhaps take on board views that run counter to your own, you instead seek out only the opinions of those who happen to share in your particular world view. Hence you perpetually reinforce your own prejudice. The long list of leftist celebrity endorsements you saw fit to post on here recently prove this point more elegantly than I ever could. Once learned, stereotypes and prejudices become resistant to change of course, even when the available evidence fails to support them or even points to the contrary. This also goes a long way towards explaining your obvious intolerant attitude towards anyone who dares to express an opinion that runs contrary to yours - indeed I suspect you struggle to comprehended how anyone could possibly not agree with you in the first place.

 

So if you want to broaden your mind and become a more interesting and rounded contributor to this forum then my advice to you is to put down 'The Socialist Worker' and pick a copy of the 'Daily Mail' instead - you won't agree with a single word it says, but in time you might just come to understand that there is more than one side to (almost) any argument.

 

History's Chapel End Charlie recommends the Daily Mail.

 

"You couldn't make it up!"

[Aziz Yebda]

They are ****s.

[Verbal]

They are ****s.

 

Both of them?

[pap]

Both of them?

 

Bearsy reckons I'm more of a díck than a c**t. It's a fair assessment.

[shurlock]

Most independent TV producers are both dicks and c**ts.

[whelk]

Owned again I see Pap.

[pap]

Owned again I see Pap.

 

Hi, er, whelk, is it?

 

Just checked your profile to get a handle on your posting style.

 

I can see why you'd think that

 

Carry on; I'll try to look suitably wounded for the rest of the day.

 

(Everyone else - check out whelk's posts)

[whelk]

Al Jazeera decided not to give the latest execution the exposure they crave. Shame the British Press couldn't follow suit.

Daily Star is just a disgrace and editor should hang his head in shame. Classless lack of respect

[Batman]

Also, Muslim patrols around some areas in London. Beating up people drinking alcohol and the like

[Viking Warrior]

Interesting the politicians talk about banning these jihadist from returning to the UK and or rescinding their British passports etc

In the same breath the liberal and human rights brigade stating that would be a breach of their human rights,

Is it okay to go and fight against western values and decapitate western journalists and be allowed to return to the uk ? I don't hear a major out cry form the liberals etc about those atrocities these individuals are perpetrating.

 

Wait till the first ISIS attack occurs in the uk , there will be a lot of stuff spouted but nothing will actually be done.

 

Lest us not forget what happened to the late lee Rigby

Edited 3 September, 2014 by Viking Warrior

[aintforever]

As our broadcast and print media overflow yet again with further (graphic) evidence attesting to both the scale and the medieval style savagery of atrocities committed by the fighters of the new 'Islamic State' in Northern Iraq, it seems remarkable to this observer of events that those here on the left who were so very keen to parade their humanitarian credentials and condemn Israel only a few days ago, now seem to have lost their voice for some reason - I am assuming here that the risible suggestion above that this 'IS' might be a tool of Israel is not meant to be taken seriously by grown ups.

 

To my way of thinking if your sense of empathy for your fellow Human Being's suffering is so very malleable that it can in effect be turned on or off at some politically motivated whim ... well I for one have to question just how genuine it was in the first place.

 

Is it really necessary for anyone on here to condemn a bunch of psychopaths who behead innocent civilians?

 

If our government were selling them arms or siding with them I could see a reason to commenting. They are obviously murdering scum so I don't see the point.

[Gemmel]

Is it really necessary for anyone on here to condemn a bunch of psychopaths who behead innocent civilians?

 

If our government were selling them arms or siding with them I could see a reason to commenting. They are obviously murdering scum so I don't see the point.

 

Yes

[aintforever]

The whole situation is a complete mess, and it's all Blair and Bush's fault. We owe it to the people there to sort it out because we put them in this situation. ISIS was created by the void left by the US and UK's armed forces.

 

The only solution I can see is to take the gloves off and wipe out these ISIS fools then divide Iraq up into 3, but that will still be messy. Thanks Tony.

[Verbal]

Also, Muslim patrols around some areas in London. Beating up people drinking alcohol and the like

 

Where is this presently happening?

[Sour Mash]

Also, Muslim patrols around some areas in London. Beating up people drinking alcohol and the like

Large parts of this country are becoming islamified. It is an utter embarrassment there are people from the UK fighting for Isis etc, but sadly no surprise at all.

[Verbal]

Large parts of this country are becoming islamified.

 

Which 'large parts' are these? And how are they 'Islamified'?

[The Majestic Channon]

The Muslim patrols occurred in the east end mainly I think and died out after arrests,

[Ludwig]

Interesting the politicians talk about banning these jihadist from returning to the UK and or rescinding their British passports etc

In the same breath the liberal and human rights brigade stating that would be a breach of their human rights,

Is it okay to go and fight against western values and decapitate western journalists and be allowed to return to the uk ? I don't hear a major out cry form the liberals etc about those atrocities these individuals are perpetrating.

 

Wait till the first ISIS attack occurs in the uk , there will be a lot of stuff spouted but nothing will actually be done.

 

Lest us not forget what happened to the late lee Rigby

 

The liberal brigade wont condemn the atrocities and be headings because they like them. It really is as simple as that. Anyone who doesn't say how bad these murders are, whether they say it at work, over the dinner table, on a football forum, in the House of Commons, must actually want these journalists to be beheaded. I would consider myself a liberal and i don't mind a bit of the old human rights, but i have been rooting for the IS chaps and applauding wildly with every beheading. And i don't think I'm alone as most of the people on SWF haven't condemned these "atrocities" either. In fact, theres only been a handful, very much in the minority. So you better watch what you say "Viking" saint or you might be in a bit of bother.

[pap]

The liberal brigade wont condemn the atrocities and be headings because they like them. It really is as simple as that. Anyone who doesn't say how bad these murders are, whether they say it at work, over the dinner table, on a football forum, in the House of Commons, must actually want these journalists to be beheaded. I would consider myself a liberal and i don't mind a bit of the old human rights, but i have been rooting for the IS chaps and applauding wildly with every beheading. And i don't think I'm alone as most of the people on SWF haven't condemned these "atrocities" either. In fact, theres only been a handful, very much in the minority. So you better watch what you say "Viking" saint or you might be in a bit of bother.

 

Quoted for posterity.

 

Non-discussion of brutal murders equals an intent for them to be committed?

 

Insane reasoning there, Ludwig.

[Sour Mash]

Which 'large parts' are these? And how are they 'Islamified'?

East London, Hounslow, Harrow Weald, Edgware Road, Luton, Birmingham, Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale, just as quick examples.

 

Building/opening of Mosques, Islamic Cultural Centres, Halal Butchers, huge influx of a muslim population over the years.

[Sour Mash]

The liberal brigade wont condemn the atrocities and be headings because they like them. It really is as simple as that. Anyone who doesn't say how bad these murders are, whether they say it at work, over the dinner table, on a football forum, in the House of Commons, must actually want these journalists to be beheaded. I would consider myself a liberal and i don't mind a bit of the old human rights, but i have been rooting for the IS chaps and applauding wildly with every beheading. And i don't think I'm alone as most of the people on SWF haven't condemned these "atrocities" either. In fact, theres only been a handful, very much in the minority. So you better watch what you say "Viking" saint or you might be in a bit of bother.

 

You've obviously tried really hard at a joke here, but not addressed any of his points.

[hypochondriac]

East London, Hounslow, Harrow Weald, Edgware Road, Luton, Birmingham, Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale, just as quick examples.

 

Building/opening of Mosques, Islamic Cultural Centres, Halal Butchers, huge influx of a muslim population over the years.

 

What's wrong with all those things?

[View From The Top]

Quoted for posterity.

 

Non-discussion of brutal murders equals an intent for them to be committed?

 

Insane reasoning there, Ludwig.

Buzzin Orn is using irony in his own particular style. Quite like it myself.

[pap]

Buzzin Orn is using irony in his own particular style. Quite like it myself.

Yeah, didn't spot it. Sorry Ludwig.

[Sour Mash]

What's wrong with all those things?

Collectively they change the culture and outlook of an area, most non-muslim people don't want to live an Islamic area, as they feel like an outsider to the collective culture of the area. Would you want a Mosque built at the end of your road? How often do you shop at a Halal butcher?

[hypochondriac]

Collectively they change the culture and outlook of an area, most non-muslim people don't want to live an Islamic area, as they feel like an outsider to the collective culture of the area. Would you want a Mosque built at the end of your road? How often do you shop at a Halal butcher?

 

Couldn't give a toss about either to be perfectly honest. I certainly don't see it as offensive any more than I would do any other place of worship being built on my road. Freedom of religion is one of the things I love about this country. Britain has always been about a mix of different cultures and influences, it's one of the reason we have been so successful historically. Halal means nothing to me, it's still meat and tastes just the same as non Halal. I've never shopped at the car phone warehouse but that doesn't mean I have a problem with its existence.

 

Maybe if you got to know some Muslims you would feel less threatened by them? The vast majority I would suspect would be extremely hospitable and open to other cultures. That is certainly my experience, things like "England is my country, I love it, I have raised my family here and I would die for it." that's from an Iraqi I spoke to last week who has been here since 1972 and I know that many others feel exactly the same.

Edited 4 September, 2014 by hypochondriac

[pap]

Collectively they change the culture and outlook of an area, most non-muslim people don't want to live an Islamic area, as they feel like an outsider to the collective culture of the area. Would you want a Mosque built at the end of your road? How often do you shop at a Halal butcher?

 

I shop at a halal butcher most weeks. If we're talking saturation and distribution, think the Eastern Europeans have made themselves much more visible in a shorter period of time. There are Polish shops in almost every area of Liverpool. Really can't say the same for halal butchers and mosques.

[Sour Mash]

I shop at a halal butcher most weeks. If we're talking saturation and distribution, think the Eastern Europeans have made themselves much more visible in a shorter period of time. There are Polish shops in almost every area of Liverpool. Really can't say the same for halal butchers and mosques.

I didn't mention Liverpool, it's not really relevant in this debate, but thanks for bringing it up as per usual.

 

And last time I checked the Polish community weren't indulging in international jihadists, paedophile rings, bombings and beheadings in the UK, Trojan Horse take over of schools, so most people can live with a couple of Polish shops.

[hypochondriac]

I shop at a halal butcher most weeks. If we're talking saturation and distribution, think the Eastern Europeans have made themselves much more visible in a shorter period of time. There are Polish shops in almost every area of Liverpool. Really can't say the same for halal butchers and mosques.

 

Indeed. Even Polish adverts in a number of banks! I suppose that maybe I have a different perspective because I employ these people and so speak to them on a daily basis and are thus less inclined to see them as a threat. Every Polish person I have spoken to has nothing but fantastic things to say about Britain and how much more accepted they feel over here than in Poland. There are a ton of capable and hard working poles who are striving to create a better life for their family. Personally I believe it's a great thing and it's the same with the vast majority of Muslims.

[Sour Mash]

Couldn't give a toss about either to be perfectly honest. I certainly don't see it as offensive any more than I would do any other place of worship being built on my road. Freedom of religion is one of the things I love about this country. Britain has always been about a mix of different cultures and influences, it's one of the reason we have been so successful historically. Halal means nothing to me, it's still meat and tastes just the same as non Halal. I've never shopped at the car phone warehouse but that doesn't mean I have a problem with its existence.

 

Maybe if you got to know some Muslims you would feel less threatened by them? The vast majority I would suspect would be extremely hospitable and open to other cultures. That is certainly my experience, things like "England is my country, I love it, I have raised my family here and I would die for it." that's from an Iraqi I spoke to last week who has been here since 1972 and I know that many others feel exactly the same.

I know plenty of Muslims thanks. So you would be excited and happy with a large mosque being built at the end of your road, your local shop being turned into a Halal butchers, local pub being closed, long-standng population moving out as large scale Muslim population move in, that is fair enough,but a lot of people wouldn't like that. I'm glad you agree that large sections of our country have become Islamified though.

[pap]

I didn't mention Liverpool, it's not really relevant in this debate, but thanks for bringing it up as per usual.

 

And last time I checked the Polish community weren't indulging in international jihadists, paedophile rings, bombings and beheadings in the UK, Trojan Horse take over of schools, so most people can live with a couple of Polish shops.

 

Ah, you're just parroting the scary headlines you've seen. That in itself is telling; indicates that you've no first hand experience with Muslims in a normal context.

 

I agree with hypo for once. Bit of a shame to see grown men so scared of their own ignorance, but there you go.

[Sour Mash]

Ah, you're just parroting the scary headlines you've seen. That in itself is telling; indicates that you've no first hand experience with Muslims in a normal context.

 

I agree with hypo for once. Bit of a shame to see grown men so scared of their own ignorance, but there you go.

I know more muslms than 90% of people on here thanks. Tell us more about your life in Liverpool though, that is interesting and relevant. "Oooh, I agree with Hypo"

[hypochondriac]

I know plenty of Muslims thanks. So you would be excited and happy with a large mosque being built at the end of your road, your local shop being turned into a Halal butchers, local pub being closed, long-standng population moving out as large scale Muslim population move in, that is fair enough,but a lot of people wouldn't like that. I'm glad you agree that large sections of our country have become Islamified though.

 

By islamified do you mean people who are Muslims moving into the area? If so then that sort of thing isn't exactly new, I just don't see it as a problem or something that is hugely widespread as you imply. Being scared of a religious building like a mosque is ridiculous and just makes you come across as ignorant to be honest. I don't see anything scary in a halal butchers nor do I view a "Muslim population" in the negative way that you do. You claim to know plenty of Muslims but your reply suggests otherwise. Have you had this conversation with them? What was their response?

[hypochondriac]

I didn't mention Liverpool, it's not really relevant in this debate, but thanks for bringing it up as per usual.

 

And last time I checked the Polish community weren't indulging in international jihadists, paedophile rings, bombings and beheadings in the UK, Trojan Horse take over of schools, so most people can live with a couple of Polish shops.

 

It's a crass generalisation (and factually inaccurate) to refer to all those of the Muslim faith living in Britain as the Muslim community as if they all come from the same place and all have the same mindset. I assure you that an Arab from Iraq is not going to take too kindly being lumped in with a Saudi. That's part of the problem with putting everyone in a box marked Muslims just as if we did the same to all Christians.

[pap]

I know more muslms than 90% of people on here thanks. Tell us more about your life in Liverpool though, that is interesting and relevant. "Oooh, I agree with Hypo"

 

If that's genuinely the case, then I'm even more amazed at your comments. Your claims would be at odds with your experience, unless all the Muslims you know are extremists that have committed the acts you've enumerated.

 

No moderates in Sour Mash's big world of Islam?

[Sour Mash]

If that's genuinely the case, then I'm even more amazed at your comments. Your claims would be at odds with your experience, unless all the Muslims you know are extremists that have committed the acts you've enumerated.

 

No moderates in Sour Mash's big world of Islam?

I know plenty of "moderates"and I've plenty of experience of intergrated, very decent muslim folk thanks. I can also see the damage that large scale islamfication has had had on many of our towns and cities. But tell us more about your life in Liverpool, I'm keen to know more.