angelman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 £12m for Long or £14m for Borini who has scored 8 goals in 49 PL games. I do think that the Borini deal will be seen to be OK because he is not British/Irish, and that he might be coming from Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 It's pretty sad posters on here desperately trying to think of reasons why signing Shane long for 12 million is a good idea. I think deep down everyone realises what a step down we have taken this summer. Both our sales and then the replacements have made that clear. What a terrible shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 well i'm happy with him signing and dunno if its been mentioned but medical tomorrow. this my third post so goodnight. Cheers for info, pal. Equally happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 A bit pedantic but what ever! He's still way off a decent player and way off where we should be at.... As for 12m the lunatics are running the asylum. Not good enough for any money or even a free.... If you are a saints fan I will eat my fecking hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 People suggesting Deeney and Wickham as alternatives? LOL. Long is proven at being 'alright' in the Prem. Wickham has a couple of goals here and there, Deeney hasn't played at this level and Ings doesn't want to pursue a move. And according to you we shouldn't have bought Jrod then? I'd much prefer wick ham who clearly has potential to be much better player than long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 (edited) Frazier Campbell, very similar ability IMO and 800k. Scott Sinclair, far far more ability and needs a move, brother is here, wages high but fee surely far lower. Jordan Mutch, thought he did well for a poor Cardiff side and will improve, went for 6m. Borini, another who hasn't scored enough yet but for a similar fee has a hell of a lot more ability and potential Joel Campbell, is he really going to play for arsenal? Would he cost that much, really? Danny Ings, great potential and surely cheaper. Troy Deeney, good all round player, IMO would score goals at this level, far more than Long and far cheaper. Jeff stomping his feet about and making a tit of himself again? Edited 12 August, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 After Hernandez rejected us we were obviously looking for a player with similar attributes, so I think from that perspective, Long fits the bill quite nicely. £12m seems high especially when Hull have banked a sizeable profit after 6 months but lets not forget they also forked out £16m on Snodgrass and Livermore ffs, so what constitutes decent value nowadays? Sure he will score more goals than our £15m record signing managed last year and no doubt contribute a lot more to team spirit as well. Not a signing to get especially excited about, but one that I can see working out pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 A football club is a business. If Shane long scores 10 goals for us in key games and we stay up a result, it's a good purchase. Don't forget that at the moment we're 2 injuries away from not having a striker. I actually like the player and I'm glad we've bought him. As others have said, it probably isn't £12m up front anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Fck it, I think I'd rather have Bendtner on a free than Long for 12m. Hull linked with Borini and Wickham to replace him. That would be embarrassing, us helping hull strengthen to finish well above us whilst we have their mediocre January panic buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Fck it, I think I'd rather have Bendtner on a free than Long for 12m. Hull linked with Borini and Wickham to replace him. Both of whom I would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Frazier Campbell, very similar ability IMO and 800k He's ok, think Long is a better player though in terms of what he brings to the team Scott Sinclair, far far more ability and needs a move, brother is here, wages high but fee surely far lower. Been gash since he left Swansea Jordan Mutch, thought he did well for a poor Cardiff side and will improve, went for 6m. Centre mid, but good value at £6m Borini, another who hasn't scored enough yet but for a similar fee has a hell of a lot more ability and potential £14m after one good season is nuts (ahem Lallana, Shaw etc..) Joel Campbell, is he really going to play for arsenal? Would he cost that much, really? He is going to play for Arsenal, and they have no reason to sell. Danny Ings, great potential and surely cheaper Not that much cheaper and also a bit of an unknown quantity. Worth a punt though for the right price. Troy Deeney, good all round player, IMO would score goals at this level, far more than Long and far cheaper. Watford want £10m for him and has no Prem experience. Some thoughts on those above - the Long deal doesn't really represent bad business when you look at the alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 12 million for a backup is ridiculous, let alone anything else. Worth bearing in mind he's our fourth or fifth most expensive signing ever, terrible value for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Song for Long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if the fee is not £12m. Sky do love to talk up and inflate prices as part of their campaign to big up the PL, make it appear more exciting and help in the branding of the self-styled "best league in the world." Jim White would not be able to work himself up into an orgasmic state over a £6m signing. Also, Sky's Sports News' policy of being firstest and loudest with breaking stories means other media outlets will not bother to check out its veracity, go along with it, and thus the figure becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, cast in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Great little signing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Pleased that we have another addition, I think he'll add a bit of a spark to our attack. If he's half as good as Lallana then he's worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 People still convinced we are having a fire sale? Who is more of a risk.... Pelle @ £9m with no PL game time Long @ £12m with the PL experience Which other forward is available with PL experience and who we could buy (which means they want to come here) and who would fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 We were a laughing stock for selling, now we're a laughing stock for buying. https://mobile.twitter.com/LeeMcK82/status/499291814156066816/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Some thoughts on those above - the Long deal doesn't really represent bad business when you look at the alternatives. I think Borini or Ings could have been decent options, but Long is a better striker for the here and now. The key thing for me is Long's Premier League experience and being able to rely on a player to score goals at this level. None of our other signings can guarantee that and given that 70% of our source of goals last season (Lambert/Lallana/J-Rod) have been sold or remain injured, it is a pretty big risk to enter a new season without a properly recognised PL scorer. Not saying he is prolific by any means but would expect him to reach similar figures to Lallana and Lambert achieved last year, and that will surely do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if the fee is not £12m. Sky do love to talk up and inflate prices as part of their campaign to big up the PL, make it appear more exciting and help in the branding of the self-styled "best league in the world." Jim White would not be able to work himself up into an orgasmic state over a £6m signing. Also, Sky's Sports News' policy of being firstest and loudest with breaking stories means other media outlets will not bother to check out its veracity, go along with it, and thus the figure becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, cast in stone. I look on http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ and they come up with all sorts of fees!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I really don't understand why people are obsessed with Connor Wickham. It's really odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 People still convinced we are having a fire sale? Who is more of a risk.... Pelle @ £9m with no PL game time Long @ £12m with the PL experience Which other forward is available with PL experience and who we could buy (which means they want to come here) and who would fit in? You honestly believe there is not a single alternative? Despite long having not been mentioned this entire summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 We were a laughing stock for selling, now we're a laughing stock for buying. https://mobile.twitter.com/LeeMcK82/status/499291814156066816/photo/1 Hardly a surprise. Panic buying their mediocre jan panic buy for a huge sum was always going to have people mocking us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 So we sell Rickie Lambert for £4m and replace him with Shane ****ing Long for 3 times that. Can't believe how many people think this is a good signing! We are in for a long difficult season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I really don't understand why people are obsessed with Connor Wickham. It's really odd. He's very talented, still very young, and when finally got a run of games in prem he scored a few goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 (edited) Worth bearing in mind a statistics point. The number of goals a striker scores in a given season should be adjusted to reflect the overall quality of the club he's playing for. For the last 3 years Long has been playing for WBA and Hull. They seem to score about 40 goals a season. The top clubs score about 100. Number of goals scored by a striker is hugely a function of chances created by the rest of the team. Long's average 8 goals a year for Hull/WBA arguably are therefore equivalent to about 20 goals if he had been playing for Man City or Liverpool. Bottom line. We won't really know how good he is until we see the partnership with Pelle, and the service from Tadic, Ramirez and gang. Edited 12 August, 2014 by NewYorkSaint typo fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 What the hell? Shane Long for £12 million? This came out the blue. Does Koeman even know who he is? Looking for the positives, umm, he can score goals at this level, although not prolifically. He's got a few years left in him. Umm... Does it weaken Hull? Not sure how I feel about this. Confused I guess. The club appear to be panicking. I'd rather we went into the season with just Gallagher and Pelle and Mayuka and signed a striker towards the end of the window after careful deliberation. This says a lot about our ambition. Either way let's hope he proves us all wrong and bangs em in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 You honestly believe there is not a single alternative? Despite long having not been mentioned this entire summer? No, that's not what I was saying. I was asking other's opinions on who would come? If people are deluded enough to think that the like of Hernandez would come here over the likes of Juve, then that can't be helped. None of the strikers at the top 7 would think of dropping down to us. If that is the case, and you want PL experience, which seems to be at the heart of this, who do you go for that is a better alternative? Bony? Benteke? Not sure that they would see Saints as part of their career development, nor Remy, even if we could afford his wages. So who would you go with, remembering the PL experience is a must? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintmike5 Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Could be the lowest point of the entire rotten summer for me, though at least it shows that the conspiracy theorists were all wrong about asset stripping. All through the summer I have been reminding myself of the phrase that goes something like "never put down to grand conspiracy what could equally be put down to incompetence" which may be a bit mean in this case but this puts Ralph's claims of being in control of the transfer situation into a harsh light. Bluntly speaking we have set up a triple whammy situation where a) clubs know we've got money to spend and b) know we are under pressure to spend it, while c) the players we would like to get in take one look at the situation and the press storm it has created and say no thanks. This is how we have got to the point where we are seemingly about to spend £12 million on Shane Long. Nothing against the guy, who I hope will end up doing ok for us, but you will not find a single person outside the club who thinks he is worth anything close to that. More worryingly, we have seen with the likes of Torres and Carroll that putting a grossly inflated fee on a striker can have a major detrimental effect on their confidence if things don't click right away. Also, and this is just my opinion, but it would have at least been nice if, having decided we were willing to pay an English premium, to have got an English (or even British) player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 If you are a saints fan I will eat my fecking hat! Odd comment to make .... ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatsaint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Do any of you remember what he did to us at st Mary's with WBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Do any of you remember what he did to us at st Mary's with WBA Scored a goal, what do I win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 No, that's not what I was saying. I was asking other's opinions on who would come? If people are deluded enough to think that the like of Hernandez would come here over the likes of Juve, then that can't be helped. None of the top 7 would think of dropping down to us. If that is the case, and you want PL experience, which seems to be at the heart of this, who do you go for that is a better alternative? Bony? Benteke? Not sure that they would see Saints as part of their career development, nor Remy, even if we could afford his wages. So who would you go with, remembering the PL experience is a must? Why is Pl experience a must? Most of our successful signings in recent seasons haven't had PL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Pacey, strong and can run the channels, also capable of scoring and dragging defenders out of position to create space for Pelle or the creative midfielders. The Leverkusen game showed a need for someone who can stretch the centre backs of the opposition and force their line back. While he is not world class he will do a job and I shall not take out any frustration over the combined factors of his price, the state of the market and our weak bargaining position. Welcome aboard Shane. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Why is Pl experience a must? Most of our successful signings in recent seasons haven't had PL experience. One of our best signings in the last couple of years, Steven Davis did. Not much else to go off. Mayuka, Osvaldo, ramirez etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 These 20 scouts we have must be really crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Our Board must finally have taken leave of their senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 (edited) Do any of you remember what he did to us at st Mary's with WBA Missed an absolute sitter from point blank range? I also remember his performance up at the Hawthornes when he didn't have Lukaku and co. around. Edited 12 August, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 So we sell Rickie Lambert for £4m and replace him with Shane ****ing Long for 3 times that. Can't believe how many people think this is a good signing! We are in for a long difficult season. When sky broke the Lambert deal they initially said £9 million. Turned out to be £4 mil ( according to you). Perhaps you could enlighten us as to exactly how much we are paying for Long ( excluding add ons ) , your source for this information and finally how much you think Shane Long is worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Do any of you remember what he did to us at st Mary's with WBA http://www.wawsport.com/english-premier-league-2013-southampton-0-3-west-brom-highlights-video_611d5db99.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Do any of you remember what he did to us at st Mary's with WBA Their front three made us look amateur that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Why is Pl experience a must? Most of our successful signings in recent seasons haven't had PL experience. Because I think it is, given the situation that we find ourselves in with the strikers. Gallagher is not up to it at the moment, nor is Mayuka and Pelle is an unknown. Maybe consider it erring on the side of caution. OK, you might think otherwise, but why not humour me, and let's say that PL experience is VITAL and the reason behind this. Who would you go for? We tried with Hernandez, but that didn't work, so who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Pacey, strong and can run the channels, also capable of scoring and dragging defenders out of position to create space for Pelle or the creative midfielders. The Leverkusen game showed a need for someone who can stretch the centre backs of the opposition and force their line back. While he is not world class he will do a job and I shall not take out any frustration over the combined factors of his price, the state of the market and our weak bargaining position. Welcome aboard Shane. Good luck. Have to agree. Thought he would have fitted well in Poch's system last season too, loves to hassle and press the opposition and will create space for our midfielders to pass/run into. Definitely expensive but we are far from the only team to have paid a premium on British players this summer - only need to look as far as Hull to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 To say you will be more upset with a signing than a sale is just odd. The money is nothing to you, it will never be in your account and you will never even know the terms of the deal. Really? So the club is printing it's own money now, I never knew. I always assumed the money came from people like me paying £40 to sit in a seat for 2 hours, or buying a cheap polyester t-shirt for £50, or paying £60 a month for the privilege of watching my own television. If money is nothing then why not go the whole hog and spend £15m on Kieron Richardson, Darren Bent for £10m and John O'Shea for £9m. Then we can have a squad full of overpriced mediocrity but it doesn't matter because apparently it's not my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 12million is too much but he's a good little player who should score goals for us. Would prefer him to start games than Isgrove. Can see Long being used a lot more effectively away from home, pushing back the pressing of the home team and allowing a bit of space for midfielders and attackers to get into. Nasty little bugger mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 £12m too much but I'll get behind him regardless if he comes. You lot really are a bunch of moany, miserable old c_unts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Wow!! The over reaction in here is truly pathetic. I'll admit, at the moment of hearing the link and then the fee I was hardly jumping with joy. However, when you take a moment to think about it this is actually a really good purchase. Last season our goals came from three main sources, Lambert JRod and Lallana. We now have Pelle Long Tadic AND JRod (who will be first on the team sheet most weeks when fit) and hopefully a rejuvenated and effective Gaston. Last two seasons Lallana scored 14, Long 17. Long will provide great short term cover for JRod and excellent competition in training and a very good option from the bench. This board is full of clueless over reactionary fools. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Pessimism aside, let's look at this from a different angle. If we had've kept Lambert and signed Long for some added depth, this signing would have been viewed as a good one. Pelle may turn out to be an adequate replacement for Lambert. If so, our attacking force is potentially stronger than it was last season. Anyway, welcome to the club Shane. A good worker who'll no doubt put in a shift for us. Now we need to focus on a center half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Christ you lot are hysterical, for all we know he could have been way down our targets. maybe it's just that we couldn't acquire Hernandez or Ings so he is next on the list, regarding the price couldn't that be to do with the fact every club in the land knows we are sat on mountains of cash at the moment meaning inflated prices, I'm relatively pleased as pace and hard work is something which be lack and I'm not expecting any top class players to be falling over themselves to sign for us in this 'transitional' period as it were. Good luck Shane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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