Shane Long

[SaintRichmond]

Not really. Def missed out on A which seems to be a wholly unrealistic Hernandez, but then maybe some realism took over. No one has quite managed, while saying how awful this is, to convince me of any other worth while targets with the requisite PL experience (Hypo - Koeman has confirmed that this was an important factor) and who was affordable and wanted to come here.

 

And why are people going on and on about resale value?[/QUOTE]

 

I expect it is because a lot think that we will be going through the same old "knock the house down and build it up again" scenario

 

Contracts SHOULD mean what they say, sadly they are only as good as the escape clauses

 

The Sweet F A are at fault. They should have addressed this problem long ago

 

Schneiderlin is a prime example. Signs a long contract with the verbal agreement he can leave within a year ??

 

Why sign the Contract in the first place, if you know it is your intention to break it.

 

I'd love it if Leibherr/Krueger made him actuall "honour" his contract. And if he throws his toys out of the pram, then LET HIM ROY

 

Sadly, no owner has the Bottle to do that, but it is the only action that will ever bring sanity back to Player Contracts and Transfers IMHO

[georgeweahscousin]

Lowdown (with added WBA input):- http://georgeweahscousin.com/2014/08/14/the-long-and-the-short-of-it-shane-is-a-saint/

[Pierre]

I think Long has a lot of attributes we were missing last season. Pace, movement off the ball, somebody who can get behind defenses. Without J-Rod we need that. Think he'll do well. Quoted price is crazy,but who knows what the real price is.

[Mr X]

£12m seems high but if he gets the goals we will all forget it. If we had paid £12m for Bambi Wellbeck then I would be worried

 

why would he get the goals? hes never scored ten in a season ever we obviously didn't buy him for that role

[angelman]

why would he get the goals? hes never scored ten in a season ever we obviously didn't buy him for that role

 

You are of course right in that he has not scored more than 10. This season he is not playing as an out and out striker, that is Pelle's job as RK said yesterday so he might not get 10 this season. But I (mostly) trust the scouting network (esp when Chief Execs aren't interfering) and if they have seen something that we need - which £12m suggests that they obviously have - then I'm fine with that and I'l refer to hindsight later on down the path to judge as to whether he is worth it. I would find it very hard to believe that he can be any worse value than Osvaldo

[Saint_Ash]

why would he get the goals? hes never scored ten in a season ever we obviously didn't buy him for that role

 

I think maybe it's better to say if he's involved in a lot of goals then he's justified his price tag, there's more to Long's game than just scoring, hence why we paid a lot for him.

[Mr X]

I think maybe it's better to say if he's involved in a lot of goals then he's justified his price tag, there's more to Long's game than just scoring, hence why we paid a lot for him.

 

agreed we brought him for the huge workrate off the ball and he has a little pace apparently, lets just hope he isnt another brett omerod

[Saint_Ash]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/vine-shane-long-impresses-on-first-day-with-southampton-with-beautiful-control-and-volley-finish-30511064.html

[Turkish]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/vine-shane-long-impresses-on-first-day-with-southampton-with-beautiful-control-and-volley-finish-30511064.html

 

Looked offside to me.

[Saint Charlie]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/vine-shane-long-impresses-on-first-day-with-southampton-with-beautiful-control-and-volley-finish-30511064.html

 

Kelvin beaten at his near post. Suprising that.

[skintsaint]

Pretty rubbish signing, he is very average on FM14 so going on that basis.

[adrian lord]

We are going to rip Liverpool a new one.

[skintsaint]

Looked offside to me.

 

Ditto..Whats the point of pace if always offside.

[sussexsaint]

Hopefully he'll be a sort of opposite Kevin Davis. Good Luck Shane.

[jamesfp1]

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[eurosaint]

I have to laugh when people question his resale value !

I don't think there is any team which has profited as much as Saints in the transfer market in recent years, even accounting for 2 demotions and an administration, we have still managed a very healthy plus in terms of youth development and player trading in general !

All this whilst including the odd shocker like Osvaldo too !

[farawaysaint]

I have to laugh when people question his resale value !

I don't think there is any team which has profited as much as Saints in the transfer market in recent years, even accounting for 2 demotions and an administration, we have still managed a very healthy plus in terms of youth development and player trading in general !

All this whilst including the odd shocker like Osvaldo too !

 

Newcastle and Arsenal do very much alright. (Well, barring Arsenal's spend the last two seasons they were doing very well.)

Edited 15 August, 2014 by farawaysaint

[derry]

One big plus with Long, he was brought up as a kid playing Gaelic sports, football and hurling, very physical fast sports where body checks, shoulder charges are happening all the time. That makes him such a hand full as he is strong and physical as well as fast, so enjoys mixing it.

[pap]

One big plus with Long, he was brought up as a kid playing Gaelic sports, football and hurling, very physical fast sports where body checks, shoulder charges are happening all the time. That makes him such a hand full as he is strong and physical as well as fast, so enjoys mixing it.

 

I think you have to be a little bit mad to play hurling. Really an all or nothing game.

[derry]

I think you have to be a little bit mad to play hurling. Really an all or nothing game.

 

I played both when I was young. Great character building, but highly likely to get a slap now and then.

[angelman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730291/Steve-Bruce-eyeing-12m-rated-Blackburn-striker-Jordan-Rhodes.html

 

So the £12m we gave Hull, seems that it might be going on Jordan Rhodes.

 

Rhodes, aged 24, scored 25 last season and 28 the season before (I think that the most Long got was 21). Out of interest, would people have preferred Rhodes to Long?

Edited 20 August, 2014 by angelman

[JxgrSaint]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730291/Steve-Bruce-eyeing-12m-rated-Blackburn-striker-Jordan-Rhodes.html

 

So the £12m we gave Hull, seems that it might be going on Jordan Rhodes.

 

Rhodes, aged 24, scored 25 last season and 28 the season before (I think that the most Long got was 21). Out of interest, would people have preferred Rhodes to Long?

 

Different types of player, Long, as has been discussed isn't all about the goals but rather chance creation through being a general nuisance. Rhodes would (if we were to have bought him) be instead of Pelle and if one were to discount resale value in the future, then, at present I'd rather have Pelle...

Edited 20 August, 2014 by JxgrSaint

[hypochondriac]

Different types of player, Long, as has been discussed isn't all about the goals but rather chance creation through being a general nuisance. Rhodes would (if we were to have bought him) be instead of Pelle and if one were to discount resale value in the future, then, at present I'd rather have Pelle...

 

Not that I disagree but what is rather having pelle based on? We don't really know anything about pelle he is a bit of an unknown truth be told.

[Convict Colony]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730291/Steve-Bruce-eyeing-12m-rated-Blackburn-striker-Jordan-Rhodes.html

 

So the £12m we gave Hull, seems that it might be going on Jordan Rhodes.

 

Rhodes, aged 24, scored 25 last season and 28 the season before (I think that the most Long got was 21). Out of interest, would people have preferred Rhodes to Long?

 

 

calling PASTOR PATRON to this thread, he has Jordan Rhodes posters in his room.

[Saint Charlie]

Absolutely not. Rhodes gets goals but his allround game and movement isn't PL class and he certainly wouldnt fit our style.

 

There is a reason no PL team has gone for him despite an excellent record at that level for 3 years.

[Heisenberg]

Could we just sell Hull Mayuka for £11m?

[S-Clarke]

Rhodes isn't the sort of striker we'd be after, end of.

 

And he will cost more than £12m seeing as Blackburn paid that for him in the first place.

[Saint86]

Been getting a fair amount of praise for his actions in Coleman's injury.

[the saint in winchester]

Been getting a fair amount of praise for his actions in Coleman's injury.

 

Pregnancy breathing techniques, apparently, to help Seamus breathe through the shock of the injury and the pain.

Good for you, Shane. Those classes with the missus came in useful here too.

[Badger]

Been getting a fair amount of praise for his actions in Coleman's injury.

 

So, he can sing and he's now a recognised first aider.

 

Would appreciate a few goals in his repertoire though.

[oldsarum]

So, he can sing and he's now a recognised first aider.

 

Would appreciate a few goals in his repertoire though.

 

Goal in second leg of semi was quite handy!

[darren2]

Goal in second leg of semi was quite handy!

 

Well he had to get one of those chases sooner or later......

[darren2]

*chances

[Lighthouse]

Goal in second leg of semi was quite handy!

 

Yeah but apart from that we've had 3 league goals and one against Norwich. That's poor, no other word for it.

[St_Tel49]

Funny how soon a post praising Long's actions gets turned into an attack on him. You couldn't make it up!

[Charlie Wayman]

Funny how soon a post praising Long's actions gets turned into an attack on him. You couldn't make it up!

 

Indeed! It's difficult to score goals when you're sat on the bench or jogging up and down the touchline. Maybe some so-called Saints fans need the rules spelling out for them.

[VectisSaint]

Funny how soon a post praising Long's actions gets turned into an attack on him. You couldn't make it up!

 

Where are these attacks? Certainly not much evidence on this thread. Really you have apparently made it up. There are some odd posters who seem to think any criticism of a player should not be allowed, even in a light hearted way. Really very simplistic view on being a supporter of a football club.

[Saint86]

Where are these attacks? Certainly not much evidence on this thread. Really you have apparently made it up. There are some odd posters who seem to think any criticism of a player should not be allowed, even in a light hearted way. Really very simplistic view on being a supporter of a football club.

 

:rolleyes:Standard for the usual suspects on here. We have a lot of pompey fans in disguise I think

[St_Tel49]

Where are these attacks? Certainly not much evidence on this thread. Really you have apparently made it up. There are some odd posters who seem to think any criticism of a player should not be allowed, even in a light hearted way. Really very simplistic view on being a supporter of a football club.

 

You have clearly missed the point but that is par for the course. It is all about context. Someone posts comments about Long's contribution to helping an injured team mate and it gets followed up by comments on his goal scoring record (I have no idea how to do the multi quote business but if you cannot recognise the negative quotes then you are as blind as the proverbial) It has nothing to do with the objecting to the criticism of a player more the context in which it was made.

[SuperSAINT]

Has there been any rumours about Shane yet?  I saw the Reading one but not sure I believe it.

He’s still down the pecking order with us… Will be interesting to see if anyone makes a move.

[Sideways Jim]

Scored in a 1-1 draw with Fulham

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Sideways Jim said:

Scored in a 1-1 draw with Fulham

That's his goal until 2023 done with then, underlining the fact we'd be best to offload him now

[Baird of the land]

7 minutes ago, Sideways Jim said:

Scored in a 1-1 draw with Fulham

Hopefully it’ll help us get him out on loan rather than us hear Ralph saying that Shane being back is as good as a new signing.

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Hopefully it’ll help us get him out on loan rather than us hear Ralph saying that Shane being back is as good as a new signing.

 In fairness, Shane being back is as good as a new Les Reed signing.

[hackedoff]

No need to hunt around for an Ings replacement,answer already on the books. 

[SFC Forever]

sarcasm can occasionally be quite amusing.

 

Not always though I fully understand where you are coming from.

 

For me he should have left us before without getting that new contract.