Bobbyboy Posted 28 August, 2014 Share Posted 28 August, 2014 So, back to this Calum Chambers fella then, any payment due us because of his England call-up then? Never heard rumours of sell-on clause either, but maybe I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 August, 2014 Share Posted 28 August, 2014 What with Chambers being called up since his move, I was wondering what England starting line up people can come up with using players ONLY from unfashionable clubs. Certainly no Liverpool, Man U/C, Chelsea or Arsenal. Think Everton can be used as well as Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 August, 2014 Share Posted 28 August, 2014 make me a different person? this is not real life, ffs Ah I see, so we are all living in a parrallel universe and none of this is real - explains a lot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 August, 2014 Share Posted 28 August, 2014 At the 3rd annual naval cook convention they did fancy dress. Jaimie went as captain birdseye. Perhaps he could use that as his next User Name? Sounds appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would Chambers have got any game time if he had stayed? RB Clyne, Toby both better, yoshida doing well. CB all four we have are better currently. Midfield - 1) Morgan 2) wanyama 3) jwp 4) read 5) Cork - all better. Imagine if we had paid 16m for him and not used him? Still good enough to get into England side before Clyne Clearly a very good player, and will find his position but not missed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would Chambers have got any game time if he had stayed? RB Clyne, Toby both better, yoshida doing well. CB all four we have are better currently. Midfield - 1) Morgan 2) wanyama 3) jwp 4) read 5) Cork - all better. Imagine if we had paid 16m for him and not used him? Still good enough to get into England side before Clyne Clearly a very good player, and will find his position but not missed at all. Missed ? No, its a shame he isnt still here though as he will still make an excellent england CB one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would Chambers have got any game time if he had stayed? RB Clyne, Toby both better, yoshida doing well. CB all four we have are better currently. Midfield - 1) Morgan 2) wanyama 3) jwp 4) read 5) Cork - all better. Imagine if we had paid 16m for him and not used him? Still good enough to get into England side before Clyne Clearly a very good player, and will find his position but not missed at all. He's not worse than our four current centre halves, worse than Toby & Fonte, better than Gardos & Maya. Currently he wouldn't make it in our first choice back four ahead of Toby, Fonte, Bertrand & Clyne, but if we went 3/5 at the back then he'd get the nod ahead of Maya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would Chambers have got any game time if he had stayed? RB Clyne, Toby both better, yoshida doing well. CB all four we have are better currently. Midfield - 1) Morgan 2) wanyama 3) jwp 4) read 5) Cork - all better. Imagine if we had paid 16m for him and not used him? Still good enough to get into England side before Clyne Clearly a very good player, and will find his position but not missed at all. Hard to say - had he not left then maybe one of Toby or Gardos wouldn't have arrived. His departure maybe had the least impact on the team in the present moment, but he still would have got plenty of games for us given our squad size etc. All the news coming out of the club at the time was that the £16m was too good to turn down for a player considered backup in his best position. Only time will tell if that was the right decision - in terms of how good he goes onto become and how we spend / spent that money. We certainly don't miss him - at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers may well become a good player one day and maybe he has been thrown in at the deep end too soon at Arsenal, but from what I have seen so far this season I can see why we took the £16m and ran. What with Lovren as well both very good bits of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would have preferred chambers to Gardos who obviously needs more time as is a bit clumsy and slow to make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Think Gardos is absolutely fine. No idea why so many (some here, some in the press) put him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Would have preferred chambers to Gardos who obviously needs more time as is a bit clumsy and slow to make decisions. I assume you have not seen how many errors Chambers has made at CB for Arsenal which have led to goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Think Gardos is absolutely fine. No idea why so many (some here, some in the press) put him down. Agree with this. I like the look of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 While I appreciate that he was being played woefully out of position against us, I thought he was dreadful. He had some poor games for us last season at RB - Man City in particular - but he does appear to have gone backwards. In fact I thought Chamberlayne and Walcott were equally poor although to be fair Walcott is coming back after a long lay off through injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Think Gardos is absolutely fine. No idea why so many (some here, some in the press) put him down. Also agree with this. He seems to improve in confidence a little bit every time he plays. For me I think he'll become a really useful addition as time goes on. With Toby in on loan and it's far from guaranteed that we'll be able to get him permanently next season, we may end up relying on on gardos as first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 He's not worse than our four current centre halves, worse than Toby & Fonte, better than Gardos & Maya. Currently he wouldn't make it in our first choice back four ahead of Toby, Fonte, Bertrand & Clyne, but if we went 3/5 at the back then he'd get the nod ahead of Maya. Don't agree he's better than yoshida and Gardos. Think he's not great at all tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 One thing I couldn't understand from the last game is why he became a victim of the boo-boys. As far as I'm aware, he didn't try to force a move and his leaving has ensured Clyne no.1 RB spot (something that Poch wouldn't guarantee Clyne) which in turn has given Clyne an opportunity to improve this year. We also banked a tidy sum of cash (which could end up covering transfer fees for Bertrand & Toby) Don't recall Walcott or Ox receiving the same treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 One thing I couldn't understand from the last game is why he became a victim of the boo-boys. As far as I'm aware, he didn't try to force a move and his leaving has ensured Clyne no.1 RB spot (something that Poch wouldn't guarantee Clyne) which in turn has given Clyne an opportunity to improve this year. We also banked a tidy sum of cash (which could end up covering transfer fees for Bertrand & Toby) Don't recall Walcott or Ox receiving the same treatment If you were at the Emirates and saw him acting like a complete ***** when Toby was on the ground with a hamstring injury then you'd have booed him. He has, to my mind, turned into a total moaner on the field since he left us - hardly surprising given his playing company at Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 If you were at the Emirates and saw him acting like a complete ***** when Toby was on the ground with a hamstring injury then you'd have booed him. He has, to my mind, turned into a total moaner on the field since he left us - hardly surprising given his playing company at Arsenal. I think there was a suggestion that he very much agitated for the move which, so early into his career with us and considering what was going on at the club, struck a nerve with a fair few fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 I believe Les Reed said that Chambers wanted to go and "Didn't see his future with us " or something like that. Chambers seems to be cocky and deserves the boos IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers was hardly mentioned. he was lucky morgan was out otherwise he would have been 'owned' even more a £16m player really struggling. he went waaaaay to early in his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 I assume you have not seen how many errors Chambers has made at CB for Arsenal which have led to goals Agreed. Arsenal's defence has been very poor this season and much of this down to Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 He's not worse than our four current centre halves, worse than Toby & Fonte, better than Gardos & Maya. Currently he wouldn't make it in our first choice back four ahead of Toby, Fonte, Bertrand & Clyne, but if we went 3/5 at the back then he'd get the nod ahead of Maya. Don't think I can agree with that assessment. Maya has been solid and assured, especially after having more of a run of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Agreed. Arsenal's defence has been very poor this season and much of this down to Chambers. According to most media pundits, Arsenal's St Mary's visit was the first time this season Wenger has played his first choice back five (including the keeper) If that's the case, two things; a) Gawd help them, b) Chambers doesn't figure in his first-choice back four. That can only mean Wenger either sees him as a holding midfielder or he has only been signed as a current bit-part player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers may well become a good player one day and maybe he has been thrown in at the deep end too soon at Arsenal, but from what I have seen so far this season I can see why we took the £16m and ran. What with Lovren as well both very good bits of business. This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 The only problem with Chambers going is that we didn't have a ready made replacement. At LB we had Targett ready to be backup but McCarthy and Stephens are not quite at that level. I think we all agree Clyne is first choice and would still be if Chambers was still here but during his injury absence Chambers would have been a much better option than Maya in that position or disrupting the cente halves by moving Toby there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 He should have stayed at St Marys to carry on learning his trade but he made his mind up to go after the big pay packet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers seems to be cocky and deserves the boos IMO. He does strut around like a peacock these days. Was he always like that, or is it that skin tight Arsenal strip that causes this? As for whether he makes it to the top or not, Wenger said that it was a signing that had plenty of risk attached. He had his best game last season IMO, in the 2-2 at SMS vs Arsenal. I wonder whether he was signed off the back of that 1 performance, or rather whether that 1 performance swayed things. (Also with Lovren at Liverpool, scoring and beating them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Don't miss him at all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 He does strut around like a peacock these days. Was he always like that, or is it that skin tight Arsenal strip that causes this? As for whether he makes it to the top or not, Wenger said that it was a signing that had plenty of risk attached. He had his best game last season IMO, in the 2-2 at SMS vs Arsenal. I wonder whether he was signed off the back of that 1 performance, or rather whether that 1 performance swayed things. (Also with Lovren at Liverpool, scoring and beating them). imagine lallana in a kit like that. strutting over to take a corner, arms swinging behind his back, sorting his hair out before he places the ball...quick pat on the badge to the home fans and a nice wide smile showing his new teeth..... he then hits the corner straight into the near post defender....but he looked good doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Of course Chambers left too early for his own good but he was in the England team within a month and was laughing all the way to the bank but its been too much to sustain and Clyne is 100% the better bet for us and for England, Chambers needs us more than we need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 While I appreciate that he was being played woefully out of position against us, I thought he was dreadful. He had some poor games for us last season at RB - Man City in particular - but he does appear to have gone backwards. In fact I thought Chamberlayne and Walcott were equally poor although to be fair Walcott is coming back after a long lay off through injury. I thought Chamberlain had a great game. He seemed to be in central midfield for much of the game and was involved in many of Arsenal's good moves. Chambers was awful. Simply dire. He seemed to be avoiding the ball whenever it came near him and looked totally out of his depth. He is still only 19 but if he wants a long career in the Premier League he needs to find his best position. On the evidence of that match it is certainly not as a holding midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Could never understand why he was picked ahead of Clyne for so many matches last season. Probably cost Clyne a place at the world cup and just because he was then playing for one of the so called top clubs Chambers plays for England first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 imagine lallana in a kit like that. strutting over to take a corner, arms swinging behind his back, sorting his hair out before he places the ball...quick pat on the badge to the home fans and a nice wide smile showing his new teeth..... he then hits the corner straight into the near post defender....but he looked good doing it Your best post, ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 He does strut around like a peacock these days. Was he always like that, or is it that skin tight Arsenal strip that causes this? As for whether he makes it to the top or not, Wenger said that it was a signing that had plenty of risk attached. He had his best game last season IMO, in the 2-2 at SMS vs Arsenal. I wonder whether he was signed off the back of that 1 performance, or rather whether that 1 performance swayed things. (Also with Lovren at Liverpool, scoring and beating them). I really cannot imagine a team like Arsenal (or Liverpool) signing players on the basis of one performance. Especially when spending £16/20m. There'll have been people watching their games, if not just the manager. Considering Arsene's love of our academy, he's probably had tabs on Chambers for a few years (I can't imagine many players who get into our first XI come as a surprise to many Prem clubs, they'll be aware of them, especially given the reputation of our set up). There was also talk of Liverpool tracking Lovren (amongst several other Premier League clubs) before he came to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 The amount of ball aching on here when he left was mad. Looks like he was another player we got good money for and don't really miss. Reckon he would have been a squad player/utility man if he'd stayed here so no surprised he chose the same role at Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 make me a different person? this is not real life, ffs A little bit of insight into the mind of thedelldays here. Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Don't think I can agree with that assessment. Maya has been solid and assured, especially after having more of a run of games. Fair enough, after all football is all about personal opinions. Agree that Yoshida has looked better in recent matches and was pleased he's signed up as think he is a decent enough replacement player for us. Just think Chambers is better (and will continue to get better). My last counter would be that when Clyne was out under Poch, then Chambers got the nod more often than Yoshida (at least that's how it remember it!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers has made a hell of a lot of f*ck-ups this season. If Yoshida had made half as many in a Saints shirt people would be on his back big time, for some reason people w@nk themselves over Chambers because he's young and wearing an Arsenal shirt - ignoring the fact he hasn't played well at all and Arsenals defence is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers has made a hell of a lot of f*ck-ups this season. If Yoshida had made half as many in a Saints shirt people would be on his back big time, for some reason people w@nk themselves over Chambers because he's young and wearing an Arsenal shirt - ignoring the fact he hasn't played well at all and Arsenals defence is garbage. makes you wonder that now stones and kyle walker are fit again (and lets assume they remain so) will chambers get his call up for england (for just being an arsenal player)? expect so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 makes you wonder that now stones and kyle walker are fit again (and lets assume they remain so) will chambers get his call up for england (for just being an arsenal player)? expect so Of course he will and Hodgson will cite CL experience and tell Clyne and Stones to get some ASAP! Playing against Ludogorets is better than regular PL starts apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 One thing I couldn't understand from the last game is why he became a victim of the boo-boys. As far as I'm aware, he didn't try to force a move and his leaving has ensured Clyne no.1 RB spot (something that Poch wouldn't guarantee Clyne) which in turn has given Clyne an opportunity to improve this year. We also banked a tidy sum of cash (which could end up covering transfer fees for Bertrand & Toby) Don't recall Walcott or Ox receiving the same treatment That's because Walcott and Ox left from a struggling lower division side to the PL. While I don't applaud their moves, I don't blame them. Even the much maligned Lallana gave us several good years in lower divisions. Don't agree he's better than yoshida and Gardos. Think he's not great at all tbh. ^ This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Clyne has already shown more for England than Chambers no matter CL experience or not. Chambers will have to up his game big time if he wants back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 My last counter would be that when Clyne was out under Poch, then Chambers got the nod more often than Yoshida (at least that's how it remember it!!). Chambers www actually Pochettino's first choice, Clyne spent a lot of the season on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 I thought Chamberlain had a great game. He seemed to be in central midfield for much of the game and was involved in many of Arsenal's good moves. Chambers was awful. Simply dire. He seemed to be avoiding the ball whenever it came near him and looked totally out of his depth. He is still only 19 but if he wants a long career in the Premier League he needs to find his best position. On the evidence of that match it is certainly not as a holding midfielder. Ran down blind alleys - gave the ball away - zero tackles - one long range shot - owned by a combination of Davis Reed and Wanyama - as a compromise marginally better than the rest of the crap performances in their midfield - Arsenal are a one man team at the moment Sanchez what a talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Chambers www actually Pochettino's first choice, Clyne spent a lot of the season on the bench Not quite true ...Pochettino was bonused on the amount of playing time given to young academy players...Chambers was as easy option but still started a lot less than Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Not quite true ...Pochettino was bonused on the amount of playing time given to young academy players...Chambers was as easy option but still started a lot less than Clyne. played less than clyne? apart from playing more games than...clyne?? i see you put started, but chambers had more game time last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 played less than clyne? apart from playing more games than...clyne?? i see you put started, but chambers had more game time last season Think it was about the same but Clyne missed some thru injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Think it was about the same but Clyne missed some thru injury. Clyne 1862 minutes Chambers 1641 minutes Clyne 20 starts Chambers 18 starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 3 January, 2015 Share Posted 3 January, 2015 Not quite true ...Pochettino was bonused on the amount of playing time given to young academy players...Chambers was as easy option but still started a lot less than Clyne. Gemmel, is that fact or guess work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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