Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Charlie please note! Im not the one with 8 posts on the Chambers thread (more than anyone else). Slightly odd then to tell others not to post about Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Why keep asking this? There is no proof absolutely anywhere that a release clause ever existed. If there was a release clause it would not have 30m or whatever we got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 If there was a release clause it would not have 30m or whatever we got What does that mean in English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 What does that mean in Englishif there was a release clause, it would not have been 30m in the contract at that level. Clubs or agents would not be putting such high levels in an 18year olds contract. If there was a release clause saying if a club like Man U came along, they would know that we were stuffed and so we wouldn't have been able to negotiate such a high fee. Therefore Iam doubtful there was a release clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Was at the game today and he was exceptional. Could have been a fantastic Lovren replacement. Oh well, onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 if there was a release clause, it would not have been 30m in the contract at that level. Clubs or agents would not be putting such high levels in an 18year olds contract. If there was a release clause saying if a club like Man U came along, they would know that we were stuffed and so we wouldn't have been able to negotiate such a high fee. Therefore Iam doubtful there was a release clause You do know this thread is about Chambers right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Was the biggest loss of the sell off IMO just what use LES thought he was doing who know but suspect he was lying when he made that statement about no bids received for players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Was the biggest loss of the sell off IMO just what use LES thought he was doing who know but suspect he was lying when he made that statement about no bids received for players I know people are still upset about Chambers going but biggest loss? Hardly every other player we lost, including Lambert, was a bigger loss than Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I know people are still upset about Chambers going but biggest loss? Hardly every other player we lost, including Lambert, was a bigger loss than Chambers. Not for future potential, again IMO seems thats my limit for posts today the c**s that run the site take your renewal money but don't acknowledge, should be a message for anyone wanting to contribute their 5 quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Chambers knew of Arsenal's interest and said he wanted to leave and didn't see his future at Saints. Yes, I am aware of that. My point is Koeman could have intervened and demanded he stay, like we are with Morgan. He's a kid with 20 games to his name, he couldn't really kick off like Lovren did. We could, if we really wanted to, have kept him. Basically for the money we got, it looks like we thought it wasn't worth the fight, and I like to think Koeman led this thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Im not the one with 8 posts on the Chambers thread (more than anyone else). Slightly odd then to tell others not to post about Chambers. Dude, the point was to let go. I have, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 My point is Koeman could have intervened and demanded he stay, like we are with Morgan. He's a kid with 20 games to his name, he couldn't really kick off He shouldn't kick off, but he might of. Morgan did, Lovern did, by all accounts so did Lallana. Demanding players stays is futile, every ones mentioning what the sell off has done for squad harmony, what do we think it would be like with 3-4 players in the squad that don't want to play for the club? Do we think we'd get the same level of performance out of chambers if he didn't want to be here? Everyone mentions he's one for the future, he has potential. That would suggest we'd be keeping against his will for a number of seasons, do we feel that a disillusioned player would improve over 2-3 seasons if he didn't want to be here? It's easy to demand players stay, the reality is allot more complex & I think although it does hurt seeing a player of chambers potential at another club performing in a position we're short but the club are pushed into a corner in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 You do know this thread is about Chambers right ? apparantly they don't. Shouldn't we have a special site for posters who go " off pist " and start having unconnected personal arguements with each other.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Dont worry about him too much DPS just enjoys the attention Look, follow me round insulting me all you like, but please learn to use punctuation. It's lazy and shows someone with a lack of even basic standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 You do know this thread is about Chambers right ? Didn't you introduce Shaw into the debate and then ask questions about his release clause? Strange that the subject is now off-limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 apparantly they don't. Shouldn't we have a special site for posters who go " off pist " and start having unconnected personal arguements with each other.....? The Mods should create permanent thread called "The Black Hole" and transfer such posts into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Look, follow me round insulting me all you like, but please learn to use punctuation. It's lazy and shows someone with a lack of even basic standards. If you're going to worry about a missing comma on a message board Id suggest you have too much time on your hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 the selling of everything that moves was an expression of the situation as it unfolded. it never stopped for tactical reasons, it stopped due to the poor press and fan reaction (if you believe KK) Newsflash, this has been bloody obvious since it happened. Also, as I'm on page 3 of this thread and I've only seen one reference to it (from Olallana), Chambers played right sided centre back, we had one of those and still have. And he's Arsenal's THIRD MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER OF ALL-TIME, FFS! Calum Chambers! Take the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Was at the game today and he was exceptional. Could have been a fantastic Lovren replacement. Oh well, onwards and upwards! All we'd have to do is completely change his predominant kicking foot, easy. Isgrove on Saturday showed how difficult it is to play on the "wrong side" when you're being asked to do something which puts you in a position which necessitates you using your weaker foot more often. Clyne at left back doesn't have the same threat either for this reason. It's less pronounced at CB but the left/right side CB issue can't be ignored, unless Chambers suddenly pops up as a LCB rather than the RCB he was yesterday (or Fonte becomes a LCB) it's really not a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Waaaaahhh! Waaaaaaahh! What a bunch of f*cking babies. Grow up you colossal bunch of c*nts Says a lot for this forum that this is the most erudite comment! Jeez "he got do what I say he do or else!!!!". Errr, the world just does not work that way. If you cn make it work that way, get a job instead of wasting everyone's time on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 I don't know -a Beeb article vaguely mentioned that if Cortese left, Shaw could go; but it felt like a throwaway comment, typical Cortese bull**** and self-aggrandisement a la AC Milan variety. VFTT said that Shaw had spoken to Chelsea, arguing that was proof of a release clause; but even if true, such a statement is also perfectly consistent with there being no automatic release clause -perhaps we were happy/willing to sell Shaw; perhaps there was an informal understanding -as is suggested is the case with Morgan- that Shaw could go at the end of the season if an acceptable bid came in. Did it? I haven't seen it. I saw a BBC article saying "at least one Saints player had a provision in his contract should Cortese leave" but they've never in any of the articles I've reread in the past couple of weeks stated it was Shaw, that came from someone saying it on here. Anyway, that's an aside, you're right that their situations were different, one was a starter and known to be wanted, the other was a squad member who we all assumed wasn't going anywhere, and for whom we got GREAT money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Simple fact is, if we hadn't sold anyone else this summer, selling our vaguely promising backup right back for £16m would look like a fantastic piece of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Simple fact is, if we hadn't sold anyone else this summer, selling our vaguely promising backup right back for £16m would look like a fantastic piece of business. He is far better than vaguely promising, as he has already shown for his new club. He could have been one of our best players for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 He is far better than vaguely promising' date=' as he has already shown for his new club. He could have been one of our best players for years to come.[/quote'] As Arsenal's third most expensive player in the history of football (he cost £5m more than Thierry Henry), I'd hope the expectations for him at Arsenal would be higher. He hadn't, however, shown that he was anything other than a defensively good - but conservative - right back for Saints in the Prem, with a bit of midfield nous from his Academy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 He is far better than vaguely promising' date=' as he has already shown for his new club. He could have been one of our best players for years to come.[/quote'] Am I missing something here I know that I am only judging him for arsenal in a center back role, But I thought he look out of his depth. He was constantly behind Koscielny, playing people on, got skinned on a number of occasions, last ditch lunges because he was so far away from the attacker, And for most of the game it look as if he was playing right back. I am playing devils advocate here,but 16m atm is a bargain as he would be behind clyne IMO, and in no way a stand in for lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Did it? I haven't seen it. I saw a BBC article saying "at least one Saints player had a provision in his contract should Cortese leave" but they've never in any of the articles I've reread in the past couple of weeks stated it was Shaw, that came from someone saying it on here. Anyway, that's an aside, you're right that their situations were different, one was a starter and known to be wanted, the other was a squad member who we all assumed wasn't going anywhere, and for whom we got GREAT money. Don't think it was ever formalised in the contract, but a couple of articles referred to Shaw's agent trying to get the clause inserted: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2466013/Southampton-flying-high-Premier-League-manager-Mauricio-Pochettino-chairman-Nicola-Cortese.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/nicola-corteses-southampton-departure-like-3028224#.U-iZZ2PEaSo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 As Arsenal's third most expensive player in the history of football (he cost £5m more than Thierry Henry), I'd hope the expectations for him at Arsenal would be higher. He hadn't, however, shown that he was anything other than a defensively good - but conservative - right back for Saints in the Prem, with a bit of midfield nous from his Academy days. 19 years old, Captain of England U19's, ousted Clyne as right-back in half our league games and part of a team that finished 8th in the league with a record points total. Already shown he can play centre-half as well. He is not as good right now as the fee we got for him but only an idiot would suggest he's going to be anything but a bargain for Arsenal. His loss hurts more than any other because we lost him after just one season of service when there was so much more to come. Absolutely gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Watching the Arsenal CL qualifier versus Besiktas tonight and the kid is awesome. Playing with confidence and ability well ahead of his years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Already worth considerably more than the £16m we sold him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Probably Arsenal's best player tonight - only Sanchez is the other contender. First mistake just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Get over it guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Already worth considerably more than the £16m we sold him for. Or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Shouldn't we lock this thread, who gives a sh!t how some Arsenal c*nt is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 A decent player looking better with world class players around him? No way Agreed ^ time to lock this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Judge him in two years time!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Just why did we let him go? How desperately did he seek a move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 For god's sake guys MOVE ON!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 He's a £20m player already, probably in the England squad for the Norway game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 For god's sake guys MOVE ON!!! this + a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Lock please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Just why did we let him go? How desperately did he seek a move? The chambers transfer is the one I really cant understand, a young player with so much potential he could easily be as good as shaw and is a certain england player, we didnt need the money yet we couldnt refuse a 16 million bid? chambers must have chucked more than his toys out the pram! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 No, were weak, we found a bit of spine after he left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziz Yebda Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 He was over-rated, will never play for Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Trending on Twitter as "Callum Chambers" and apparently he's a centre half [facepalm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Trending on Twitter as "Callum Chambers" and apparently he's a centre half [facepalm] He is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Just why did we let him go? How desperately did he seek a move? Twitter tonight... Chambers left because he had a clause in his contract regarding CL teams bidding for him. Not a lot #saintsfc could have done. 8:57pm - 19 Aug 14 Not sure if true or not, but wouldnt rule it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Twitter tonight... Chambers left because he had a clause in his contract regarding CL teams bidding for him. Not a lot #saintsfc could have done. 8:57pm - 19 Aug 14 Not sure if true or not, but wouldnt rule it out Rubbish. We would have made a huge deal out of that if it was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 40% sell on? Gives me some happiness if true + more people reporting the CL release clause. Have no idea whose ITK on here and even less on that twitter thing CL clause in contract always likely to be a problem for club, 40% sell on condition written in put of most clubs, #saintsfc 9:54pm - 19 Aug 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 This is just like when Facebook was letting everyone know about Poch's 8th place bonus. I wonder if he got that before leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 August, 2014 Share Posted 19 August, 2014 Just surprised that Jeff and Glasgow's six fingered, web-footed friends and family know how to use Twitter. 40% sell-on as if that wouldn't be reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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