um pahars Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 It's the going to Spurs thing that ****es me off, not because of Poch but it's not really a massive step up, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and even Liverpool i can get my head round. Spurs? I just don't get it. With a turnover that is almost double ours, I would imagine they have a bit more flexibility with regards waving some ££££s at this hard up young man. Greed is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Heard it was £10m plus Holtby and Chiriches, which would be a good deal for us. How on earth would that be a good deal? Glad RK didn't think it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 BREAKING NEWS! THE CLUB IS NOT FOR SALE! Breaking news, everyone knows every club is for sale, that doesn't mean they've been actively promoting it to buyers, or that we're selling players to make it more attractive to someone who wants a cheaper but less successful club for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 How on earth would that be a good deal? Glad RK didn't think it was What, we get 2 decent Prem players and 10 million quid and sell a player (albeit our best one) in a position where we've actually got plenty of players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Well, for a start he wrote that no-one spoke to Schneiderlin about him not being able to leave before it was mentioned on Sky, which isn't true. All the other stuff is pretty much known, and it is also perfectly possible Krueger didn't talk about transfers at a conference in Toronto even if he WAS trying to sell Schneiderlin to Spurs at other times, which again, I'm fairly sure everyone thinks is the case. No-one's saying we weren't probably about to sell him until the Chambers backlash. It's not the "crass statement" that's forced his hand, it's the player having a wobbler and not just getting on with doing his job for his employers having been told he's not going (yet). It's reported that Morgan and his agent arrived at St Mary's the day of Ralph's interviews to talk about how the negotiations were going and whether they had agreed a deal only to be told that we wouldn't let him go afterall. I don't condone Morgan's behaviour since but this whole situation seems a bit pointless. The only benefit for the club is having another long serving player who comes off worse than they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 What, we get 2 decent Prem players and 10 million quid and sell a player (albeit our best one) in a position where we've actually got plenty of players? None of those players are anywhere near as good as Morgan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 (edited) Whilst my heart agrees with those who say let him rot in the reserves etc something in my head says that legally Saints are unable to do so. I am sure that the PFA could take Saints to Court claiming that in doing that it is a restraint of trade or something. Saints can't even get away with having him on the bench and only bringing him on in the last minute either for a similar reason. I don't think Saints can keep fining him either as the PFA will go to Court about that as well. Sad to say but if a real large money club ( Man City ) couldn't win against Tevez what hope do Saints have ? Finally I have never trusted the French ( my late father who was in the RN in WW2 also trusted the Germans more that the French ) or Argentinians either come to that. Edited 8 August, 2014 by Saint in Paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 When Koeman leaves for Spurs suddenly everyone will have hated the Dutch all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 I assume all the Krueger apologists will be brushing off the excuse book. Now those will be interesting, No1 you can't keep a player who wants to leave 2. We got a good price 3. We will spend the money over the next how many years 4. Krueger never said any such thing 5. He said MS and Jay would not leave, but he has not misled as Jay is still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Whilst my heart agrees with those who say let him rot in the reserves etc something in my head says that legally Saints are unable to do so. I am sure that the PFA could take Saints to Court claiming that in doing that it is a restraint of trade or something. Saints can't even get away with having him on the bench and only bringing him on in the last minute either for a similar reason. Eh? Football clubs can play whoever they like in matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 When Koeman leaves for Spurs suddenly everyone will have hated the Dutch all along Not me young man, past History tells all of Southampton to beware of the French. 1982 did it for me with the Argentinians. I have nothing against the Dutch, and I really like the Polish people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Whilst my heart agrees with those who say let him rot in the reserves etc something in my head says that legally Saints are unable to do so. I am sure that the PFA could take Saints to Court claiming that in doing that it is a restraint of trade or something. Saints can't even get away with having him on the bench and only bringing him on in the last minute either for a similar reason. I don't think Saints can keep fining him either as the PFA will go to Court about that as well. Sad to say but if a real large money club ( Man City ) couldn't win against Tevez what hope do Saints have ? Finally I have never trusted the French ( my late father who was in the RN in WW2 also trusted the Germans more that the French ) or Argentinians either come to that. My guess is that the only 'legal' issue would be to stick to his contract, surely SFC have all the trump cards according to the letter of the law, but of course recent history shows that player strops always seem to win out in the end ! Shame but true ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 August, 2014 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2014 What, we get 2 decent Prem players and 10 million quid and sell a player (albeit our best one) in a position where we've actually got plenty of players? Are they decent or just average? Average gets you relegated. £10m buys you **** all. I don't see plenty of players in he us position I see victor and cork. The rest are lightweight and pretty much unproven. Quantity doesn't win you games it's quality. Reed and JWP won't keep us in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 tomallnuttPA: Koeman defiant today on Schneiderlin: "We told him to take 2 days off and think about the situation..we will not change our minds" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Asked Koeman if it was unfair after other players sold. "No, it's not unfair. Unfair is signing a new contract and wanting to go" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Koeman: "There's different influences around the player. Maybe #THFC or the agent is pressing him - it's a difficult situation." #SaintsFC Little bit of tapping up from Spurs going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 tomallnuttPA: Koeman defiant today on Schneiderlin: "We told him to take 2 days off and think about the situation..we will not change our minds" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Asked Koeman if it was unfair after other players sold. "No, it's not unfair. Unfair is signing a new contract and wanting to go" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Koeman: "There's different influences around the player. Maybe #THFC or the agent is pressing him - it's a difficult situation." #SaintsFC Little bit of tapping up from Spurs going on? Shedload more like. I'd be surprised if he hasnt agreed his strop tactics with Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 **** him off. 30M no player exchange and bring in Claisse. See how much that argie **** wants him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 **** him off. 30M no player exchange and bring in Claisse. See how much that argie **** wants him Me like Brizzie Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Me like Brizzie Saints. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 If I was Spurs and Potty Chino I would be grinning after this. Almost too easy for them. I've no doubts Schneiderlin is off. I have no doubts that his mind has been poisoned by the others going and no doubt his meeting(s) with MoPo have helped screw his head up. Levy and MoPo will be laughing- knowing full well that Saints will crack and let him go at the end of the window for a bargain price. I hope we sell to a foreign club rather than Spurs. I think that you will find that he will NOT go to Spurs for a bargain price. If Levy and Pochettino think along those lines, then they really are as naive and misguided as you are. If he goes to Spurs it will be for a premium price that can be excused as being too high to resist. Otherwise if he is to go at all, it should be as you say acceptable to sell him to some Russian, Turkish or Greek team just to **** him off royally and to serve him right for throwing such a childish strop. Either way he needs to be made an example for others as how not to go about trying to force a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Hes basically gone on strike to force the club to sell him. Another selfish, greedy *****. Although from his perspective, why is it that half the team can be sold but he can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Absolutely everyone is for sale for the right price. not just at Saints. Ronaldo moving from United was the best example recently. The key is of course that Spurs or whoever have to offer the right money else it doesn't happen and no amount of strike action is going to change that. IMO, he might go but it won't be to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 He can sort his head out and apologise or train with the under 10's fook him it's time the club showed some spine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 I think that you will find that he will NOT go to Spurs for a bargain price. If Levy and Pochettino think along those lines, then they really are as naive and misguided as you are. If he goes to Spurs it will be for a premium price that can be excused as being too high to resist. Otherwise if he is to go at all, it should be as you say acceptable to sell him to some Russian, Turkish or Greek team just to **** him off royally and to serve him right for throwing such a childish strop. Either way he needs to be made an example for others as how not to go about trying to force a move. Was there any call for this line Wes? 'then they really are as naive and misguided as you are'. Honestly, there are some unpleasant posters on here at the moment. Misguided for stating an opinion? I think Schneiderlin is going and I am pretty sure (as are every set of Bookies) that he's heading for Spurs. I just hope we sell him elsewhere. Its called a viewpoint Wes, something we are all entitled to voice without inane comment back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirley precinct Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 He gives people that genuinely go on strike a bad name. Can't remember the last time a millionaire went on strike for better conditions it's ****ing laughable. The toll puddle martyrs will be turning in their graves. Get your French arse out in that pitch and put a shift in. You owe it to the fans if nothing else! Well said, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 tomallnuttPA: Koeman defiant today on Schneiderlin: "We told him to take 2 days off and think about the situation..we will not change our minds" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Asked Koeman if it was unfair after other players sold. "No, it's not unfair. Unfair is signing a new contract and wanting to go" #SaintsFC tomallnuttPA: Koeman: "There's different influences around the player. Maybe #THFC or the agent is pressing him - it's a difficult situation." #SaintsFC Little bit of tapping up from Spurs going on? I think someone said Snidey-Lynne had been seen with Potty-Chino before the WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 He can sort his head out and apologise or train with the under 10's fook him it's time the club showed some spine! Train with the under 10s! LOL. How funny would that be, although I suspect the PFA would sadly appeal that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Was there any call for this line Wes? 'then they really are as naive and misguided as you are'. Honestly, there are some unpleasant posters on here at the moment. Misguided for stating an opinion? I think Schneiderlin is going and I am pretty sure (as are every set of Bookies) that he's heading for Spurs. I just hope we sell him elsewhere. Its called a viewpoint Wes, something we are all entitled to voice without inane comment back. The worst he did was to accuse you of naivity and if that hurts you then you really should not be posting on a forum. In my opinion what happened here was that the club DID agree that Morgan could go but then Levy - being the a---hole that he is thought that he would take the p1ss with an silly offer. Fair enough - we've done the same - but he has not moved from that. At this point we think - well we don't have to sell him at all. Which is why we are where we are. I am convinced that if MS goes to Spurs it will be at our price otherwise he will go elsewhere - or nowhere and rot in the reserves if need be. All IMHO of course - I am not in any way ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 The worst he did was to accuse you of naivity and if that hurts you then you really should not be posting on a forum. In my opinion what happened here was that the club DID agree that Morgan could go but then Levy - being the a---hole that he is thought that he would take the p1ss with an silly offer. Fair enough - we've done the same - but he has not moved from that. At this point we think - well we don't have to sell him at all. Which is why we are where we are. I am convinced that if MS goes to Spurs it will be at our price otherwise he will go elsewhere - or nowhere and rot in the reserves if need be. All IMHO of course - I am not in any way ITK. There aren't many naive bookies in my experience. I think you make an interesting point. I hope we sell him anywhere except Liverpool Arsenal or Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Whilst my heart agrees with those who say let him rot in the reserves etc something in my head says that legally Saints are unable to do so. I am sure that the PFA could take Saints to Court claiming that in doing that it is a restraint of trade or something. Saints can't even get away with having him on the bench and only bringing him on in the last minute either for a similar reason. I don't think Saints can keep fining him either as the PFA will go to Court about that as well. Sad to say but if a real large money club ( Man City ) couldn't win against Tevez what hope do Saints have ? Finally I have never trusted the French ( my late father who was in the RN in WW2 also trusted the Germans more that the French ) or Argentinians either come to that. Why not just blame it on the Muslims again? Also, you are totally wrong. Chelsea forced Malouda to train with the u21s for the last year of his contract. So yeah, if he's under contract the club can do what they want. Go back to disliking people for their religion or country of birth eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 I think someone said Snidey-Lynne had been seen with Potty-Chino before the WC How old are you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Although from his perspective, why is it that half the team can be sold but he can't? Because half the team was sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 If Spurs don't make a stupid offer let him rot. Head on a pole outside the training ground (metaphorically). No-one else puts us over a barrel. It has to stop, and someone has to be made an example of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/southampton-ronald-koeman-morgan-schneiderlin-contract Backing up some of the comments above. The club seem to be clear on this one. I hope Morgan sorts himself out, he is an outstanding player and we are be a better team with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Nailed it Tom Allnutt (@tomallnuttPA) 08/08/2014 22:35 Asked Koeman if it was unfair after other players sold. "No, it's not unfair. Unfair is signing a new contract and wanting to go" Download the official Twitter app here Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Train with the under 10s! LOL. How funny would that be, although I suspect the PFA would sadly appeal that one! On what grounds could the Pfa object? He is a contracted player who has said he is not fit mentally or physically to represent the club, training either under 10's should let him rebuild his mental state in less pressurised surroundings! Being more serious I can't see how the Pfa could object to him training with the reserves, man city have been doing it to players for years think Sinclair, Richards etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Was there any call for this line Wes? 'then they really are as naive and misguided as you are'. Honestly, there are some unpleasant posters on here at the moment. Misguided for stating an opinion? I think Schneiderlin is going and I am pretty sure (as are every set of Bookies) that he's heading for Spurs. I just hope we sell him elsewhere. Its called a viewpoint Wes, something we are all entitled to voice without inane comment back. It's all fine for you to dish it out when it comes to accusing the board of all sorts of things, but you can't take it back, can you? You need to grow a pair if you are so easily offended if somebody accuses you of being naive or misguided in your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Its no wonder Osvaldo had to headbutt poor Fonte..... Morgans head was gone & Lovrens head was in Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 We set a president. Letting other players go by threatening to strike, it will be interesting to see if the club does indeed make a stand. A player too late IMO but it would be a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Because half the team was sold His bad luck he didn't choose to play for England then! As he would have been home early like Lambert, Lalanna and Sharp and would be one of the leavers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 If Spurs had / do put in a decent bid we will sell him. £10m is way below his value. I don't think we should be bullied into to selling him for a cut price fee given he has 3 years left on his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 We set a president. Letting other players go by threatening to strike, it will be interesting to see if the club does indeed make a stand. A player too late IMO but it would be a start Which "president" have we set, Nick? Bush? Nixon? Amin? I think we should be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Although from his perspective, why is it that half the team can be sold but he can't? Release clauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Release clauses. There are or were no release clauses We set the tone by allowing lovren and chambers to leave. Even lambert as quickly as he did Morgan needs to publicly refuse to play or head but a team mate and he will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Which "president" have we set, Nick? Bush? Nixon? Amin? I think we should be told. |I know it looked wrong and spell check didnt help either! It was Jimmy Carter anyway, as he was a fool:) Thanks for pointing it out though Im sure nobody would have lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Nailed it Tom Allnutt (@tomallnuttPA) 08/08/2014 22:35 Asked Koeman if it was unfair after other players sold. "No, it's not unfair. Unfair is signing a new contract and wanting to go" Download the official Twitter app here Sent from my iPhone But Koeman's comments are all just part of the money-go-round game in that if Koeman was a player we could probably and safely bet he would do a similar thing as Morgan. He's making the right noises because he has too, since the Board realise the natives are growing restless, so no matter what they have to at least make it look like they are putting up a 'battle'. And so it goes . . . .contractual legislation 'enforced' is what is required to stem this unfairness - "end of" as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 There are or were no release clauses We set the tone by allowing lovren and chambers to leave. Even lambert as quickly as he did Morgan needs to publicly refuse to play or head but a team mate and he will be gone You're out of touch Batman the new MO is to bite a player, head butting is old 'hatitude'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 If spurs only bid 10m they are taking the **** , if Morgan thinks we'll deal with someone offering a derisory figure like that he is also taking the ****! If Suarez can get his nut down and have a season like he did last hopefully Morgan can do likewise , but I wont hold my breath! Its about time someone made a stand against footballing contract rebels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Concern here is that saints will be forced into selling him. He has seen other players throw strops and get what they wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Concern here is that saints will be forced into selling him. He has seen other players throw strops and get what they wanted Which is why it is so important that we stand firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 August, 2014 Share Posted 9 August, 2014 Which is why it is so important that we stand firm. Ye really ball is in clubs hands. If they refuse to sell him then he goes out every week and plays crap it doesn't just affect the team but his chance of playing for France and getting a move away and same if he refuses to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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