saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Do you know what, just sell Schneiderlin. There is no way back for him now, he's nailed his colour well and truly to the mast and is going to be a poisonous influence in the dressing room. Just don't sell him to Spurs though. I'm sure there will be plenty of clubs throughout Europe who would jump at the chance to have him.
Leicestersaint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I see that Matt le Tissier has called Cork a very good footballer and said if he goes for £3 million is will be the bargain of the season. The way we are being run is crazy.
Dig Dig Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It doesnt matter how much we moan and bleep theres not a lot we as fans can do about it Is it possible we are using cork as part of a swop deal for one of their players by any chance Cortesse will be rubbing his hands if he is reading this forum and the abuse that is being directed towards the board Well done daily Mail What abuse of the board are you talking about? People are reacting to a multitude of decisions made by the board and react to each one inline with their own perceptions and opinions and subsequently share on a message board. Nothing to do with Cortese, the Mail or anything else. It's more normal to react negatively to seeing the club sell off your best players (for whatever reason) than it is to blindly seal clap whatever happens and then whine constantly when people don't see it the same way as you. Do you ever have an opinion beyond whatever a nasty journo or poster writes?
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It doesnt matter how much we moan and bleep theres not a lot we as fans can do about it Is it possible we are using cork as part of a swop deal for one of their players by any chance Cortesse will be rubbing his hands if he is reading this forum and the abuse that is being directed towards the board Well done daily Mail What on earth are you on about?
Convict Colony Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Maybe we are doing him a favour, koeman knows he won't play much and we've accepted a cheap offer to enable him to play regularly. I'd like to think as a club like the sharp deal we do what we can for players who won't feature.
hypochondriac Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 What abuse of the board are you talking about? People are reacting to a multitude of decisions made by the board and react to each one inline with their own perceptions and opinions and subsequently share on a message board. Nothing to do with Cortese, the Mail or anything else. It's more normal to react negatively to seeing the club sell off your best players (for whatever reason) than it is to blindly seal clap whatever happens and then whine constantly when people don't see it the same way as you. Do you ever have an opinion beyond whatever a nasty journo or poster writes? Yep. Seems that the head in sand posters are much more likely to carp on about an opinion that differs from their own than the other way round.
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 What on earth are you on about? I think Vikings trying to take on ART for this years Saintsweb awards - wtf are you on about category
Donatello Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Good point. I remember loads of b*tchng and whinging on here when he was sold, but he hardly set the world alight at Palace did he? In fact I think they still don't really like him that much ... He scored 7 league goals last season. He'll probably hit similar levels this year. £1.2m is a snip.
JoeShmoe Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 As mush as Cork has done a good job for us, who in reality, has him in the starting XI if the whole squad is fit? I don't. If he has been told he isn't first choice (pre-season selections would certainly suggest it) can you really blame him for wanting to go? The price is low, but that is due to his lack of contract. I wish him all the best, for me we have better. Have to say my view is he's a decent squad player but he is behind, MS, VW, Taider and probably Davis/JWP in that midfield 3/5 RK wants to play. There's also the academy lads like Reed I said last year he is frustrating because he always passes sideways, never gets forward and has no goal threat. If we get 3/4m for a player in last year of his contract that's good business
SaintSteve Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 What abuse of the board are you talking about? People are reacting to a multitude of decisions made by the board and react to each one inline with their own perceptions and opinions and subsequently share on a message board. Nothing to do with Cortese, the Mail or anything else. It's more normal to react negatively to seeing the club sell off your best players (for whatever reason) than it is to blindly seal clap whatever happens and then whine constantly when people don't see it the same way as you. Do you ever have an opinion beyond whatever a nasty journo or poster writes? I think the part of the brain that rationally assesses the implications of selling our best 5 players, is missing from VW. Maybe it will take Schneiderlin and Cork to depart for it to kick in.
ART Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Do you know what, just sell Schneiderlin. There is no way back for him now, he's nailed his colour well and truly to the mast and is going to be a poisonous influence in the dressing room. Just don't sell him to Spurs though. I'm sure there will be plenty of clubs throughout Europe who would jump at the chance to have him. What a foolish suggestion. That is exactly what Schneiderlin wants by his childish behavior and being a c u n t. No way should we let this happen. Let him suffer and be an example to future players who sign contracts and then mess a club about to be sold when a better offer comes along.
aintforever Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 We can't spend 12mill on Long then sell Cork for 3, that just can't happen in a sane world.
Baird of the land Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I see that Matt le Tissier has called Cork a very good footballer and said if he goes for £3 million is will be the bargain of the season. The way we are being run is crazy. Good to see club legend shares high opinion of Cork. Just wish Saints board pull their heads out of whatever hole they've stuck them in before we lose another very good player and this time for a pittance.
saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 What a foolish suggestion. That is exactly what Schneiderlin wants by his childish behavior and being a c u n t. No way should we let this happen. Let him suffer and be an example to future players who sign contracts and then mess a club about to be sold when a better offer comes along. In fairness to him though, look at everyone else we have let go, why stop with him?! He's made it impossible now and I would far rather we got upwards of 20million now than not be able to play him anyway and his value just drop. I agree in making a stand, but its far too late for that now, we should have done that with a mercenary like Lovren.
Dalek2003 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Lat year we were planning to get into Europe, this year we are planning for the Championship...yoyo time !!!
Donatello Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Have to say my view is he's a decent squad player but he is behind, MS, VW, Taider and probably Davis/JWP in that midfield 3/5 RK wants to play. There's also the academy lads like Reed I said last year he is frustrating because he always passes sideways, never gets forward and has no goal threat. If we get 3/4m for a player in last year of his contract that's good business That's a tactical decision. Not every player can attack.
eelpie Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 They won't sell Cork. Because the club has vowed it will not sell any more players this window. And they want to regain our trust.
aintforever Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Have to say my view is he's a decent squad player but he is behind, MS, VW, Taider and probably Davis/JWP in that midfield 3/5 RK wants to play. There's also the academy lads like Reed I said last year he is frustrating because he always passes sideways, never gets forward and has no goal threat. If we get 3/4m for a player in last year of his contract that's good business Except Schneiderlin doesn't want to play for us, Cork kept Wanyamma out the side at times last season and Taider and Reed are untested in the Prem.
Gemmel Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It is a fire sale. Said it all along, you sell damaged goods during a fire sale.! A fire sale is where you sell everything as quickly as you can. I'm sure morgan would love to hear there is a fire sale going on. Keep telling yourself these things Robbie but it doesn't matter how many times you do...... It's still horsesh!te
Village Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Very good player. Rarely loses the ball. Has been treated badly. We have made a huge mistake. Idiotic. I thought the argument was about Cork. The sad truth is that although he is an average PL midfielder he just never fulfilled his early promise of something better. He gives the ball away too easily; he isn't creative enough and overall simply isn't as good as several others we have for the midfield positions. He and his father's pronouncements make it clear he wanted certain guarantees which we couldn't give him. He will be under less pressure at Palace where they have lower expectations and might well be a regular starter. I hope for his sake he does well. Given he has only a year to run on the contract 3 million is a good deal for Saints.
The9 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It does make you wonder if all the premiership scouts are wandering about with their heads up their jacksies . We have a great little player , available at an unbelievably cheap price and only crystal palace seem interested. Why aren't spurs,Everton,stoke,west ham, villa , hull or wba chasing up this bargain. It appears that not only RK & Les are complete idiots for failing to see how great the guy is, but half the premier league managers and their scouting network are also complete clowns. Given the number of people on here who've seen him play there and STILL insist he can play right back, I don't think this Forum is much better. He's a very good defensive midfield player, who works well in tight spaces, and plays short passes very effectively. He can't shoot for toffee, isn't THAT great a tackler, preferring to intercept and jockey (that's not a criticism) and he's not much cop at playing passes over 30 yards with any pace - but I'd definitely want to keep him.
The9 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 A fire sale is where you sell everything as quickly as you can. I'm sure morgan would love to hear there is a fire sale going on. Keep telling yourself these things Robbie but it doesn't matter how many times you do...... It's still horsesh!te Quite.
The9 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I thought the argument was about Cork. The sad truth is that although he is an average PL midfielder he just never fulfilled his early promise of something better. He gives the ball away too easily; he isn't creative enough and overall simply isn't as good as several others we have for the midfield positions. He and his father's pronouncements make it clear he wanted certain guarantees which we couldn't give him. He will be under less pressure at Palace where they have lower expectations and might well be a regular starter. I hope for his sake he does well. Given he has only a year to run on the contract 3 million is a good deal for Saints. I think you're the only person that's said this - possibly because it isn't true.
FloatingbridgeSaint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Has this potential move been "confirmed" anywhere else other than the Daily Mail? Only reason i ask is that yesterday I read that it was Nzonzi from Stoke that was the potential mover to Palace. Today Mark Hughes has spoken out saying he is going nowhere etc etc.. So is this just a case of the daily mail destabilisation machine clutching at straws as we get to the proverbial bottom of the barrel in terms of the player "exodus"? FWIW, if he does go then I understand the reasons why but yes it will be a shame. In reality i think any player leaving that has served us well during the last 5 glorious years is going to feel like crap but we move on..
mitch01 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I thought the argument was about Cork. The sad truth is that although he is an average PL midfielder he just never fulfilled his early promise of something better. He gives the ball away too easily; he isn't creative enough and overall simply isn't as good as several others we have for the midfield positions. He and his father's pronouncements make it clear he wanted certain guarantees which we couldn't give him. He will be under less pressure at Palace where they have lower expectations and might well be a regular starter. I hope for his sake he does well. Given he has only a year to run on the contract 3 million is a good deal for Saints. Nope, he actually retains the ball incredibly well. He does a specific job very efficiently. Win the ball, hassle, and pass it on. Be available as an option for others. A very accomplished PL performer, as seen in the past two seasons. He doesn't possess the goal threat or dynamism to play for England, but he's a super player to have around our squad. Steady? Yes. Average? No. Wanyama probably possesses greater potential with his physical attributes, but with the uncertainty around the club at the moment I do feel it's a poor decision to let such a consistent player leave. Perhaps RK is confident that Reed can step up.
Marino Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Cork would be one of the first names on my team sheet, not only as the beating heart of what will be a team of strangers, but also because he warrants it - at least based on his performances in the latter part of the season when Wanyama, altho fit again, couldn't get back in the side after his injury.
Baird of the land Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Cork would be one of the first names on my team sheet, not only as the beating heart of what will be a team of strangers, but also because he warrants it - at least based on his performances in the latter part of the season when Wanyama, altho fit again, couldn't get back in the side after his injury. That's how i see it too, the Morgan situation just makes it a multitude of times worse. Wanyama is a great defensive shield in certain games but would hate to go into season without as accomplished a performer as Cork.
alpine_saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Cork would be one of the first names on my team sheet, not only as the beating heart of what will be a team of strangers, but also because he warrants it - at least based on his performances in the latter part of the season when Wanyama, altho fit again, couldn't get back in the side after his injury. Yep. That's how i see it too, the Morgan situation just makes it a multitude of times worse. Wanyama is a great defensive shield in certain games but would hate to go into season without as accomplished a performer as Cork. Yep.
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 9 pages in based on something in the Daily Fail. Has anyone seen this mentioned anywhere else?
Saint_Abroad Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 9 pages in based on something in the Daily Fail. Has anyone seen this mentioned anywhere else? Meh, it's more a wake for Jack Cork's Southampton career. Please, feel free to leave your condolences and remembrances, and don't forget to take a mass card.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 They won't sell Cork. Because the club has vowed it will not sell any more players this window. And they want to regain our trust. They NEVER said that.
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 The Times are sying he "could" be going but then they might have picked that up from the Mail. If he goes, he goes, but I am not going to get worked up by anything the Mail has to say.
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Meh, it's more a wake for Jack Cork's Southampton career. Please, feel free to leave your condolences and remembrances, and don't forget to take a mass card. lol, and light a candle
CB Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 They won't sell Cork. Because the club has vowed it will not sell any more players this window. And they want to regain our trust. They NEVER said that. Yep - they don't give a feck about our trust
CB Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Meh, it's more a wake for Jack Cork's Southampton career. Please, feel free to leave your condolences and remembrances, and don't forget to take a mass card. #prayforjack
Foxy Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Has this potential move been "confirmed" anywhere else other than the Daily Mail? Only reason i ask is that yesterday I read that it was Nzonzi from Stoke that was the potential mover to Palace. Today Mark Hughes has spoken out saying he is going nowhere etc etc.. So is this just a case of the daily mail destabilisation machine clutching at straws as we get to the proverbial bottom of the barrel in terms of the player "exodus"? FWIW, if he does go then I understand the reasons why but yes it will be a shame. In reality i think any player leaving that has served us well during the last 5 glorious years is going to feel like crap but we move on.. SSN just said no offer has been accepted (yet?) according to their sources
Baird of the land Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 SSN just said no offer has been accepted (yet?) according to their sources Please please be true
lifeintheslowlane Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 SSN just said no offer has been accepted (yet?) according to their sources So 9 pages of this on the strength that Crystal Palace have made an offer for Jack Cork. Paranoia strikes.
Chez Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Cork must be absolutely ****ing terrible in pre-season as both Poch and now RoKo have turned their noses up at him. I'm conscious of not being too precious about one of our own players, and it is important to remember that keeping average senior players can prevent top notch youngsters coming through, but I don't understand this move. How much is Cork demanding a week? Not more than Palace can afford!
the saint in winchester Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 In case the offer does come and is accepted .... I always rated him above VW, and £3M is scandalous. I would have rated him at £10M minimum.
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 £3M is scandalous. I would have rated him at £10M minimum. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jack-cork/profil/spieler/40613
Batman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jack-cork/profil/spieler/40613 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/profil/spieler/37304
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 So lets talk about what we do know then. If he refuses to sign the offered contract is it better to sell him now and use the money towards another player who wants to be here or is it better to keep him until he can walk for nothing?
Batman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 So lets talk about what we do know then. If he refuses to sign the offered contract is it better to sell him now and use the money towards another player who wants to be here or is it better to keep him until he can walk for nothing? what do we know then? you just posted nothing that is known after the first statement
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/profil/spieler/37304 seems about right to me.
Batman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 seems about right to me. guess we are over paying by around 100%
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 guess we are over paying by around 100% We probably are. We're desperate for a forward / winger and they didnt need to sell.
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Can the title of the thread be changed now please?
angelman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 guess we are over paying by around 100% And Utd over paid by about 6 times for Shaw. Those figures are not worth taking on board unless it fits your negative outlook on life.
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