buctootim Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 But he didn't, because he wasn't registered as a Legia player for the first two matches. You can't serve a suspension for a team you're not registered for! Without punishing this they're also allowing the precedent that players could claim to be playing for a different side to serve their suspensions when their actual team doesn't have matches. Thats bollocvks. He was registered as a Legia player and had been for over a year, Legia simply failed to inform UEFA he was available but serving his ban for those matches. Big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 (edited) They have used discretion, they decided the rules had been broken and penalised Legia the match 3-0. Previously they'd ignored a similar situation with Debrecen, but that player was ineligible not suspended. The implication is that had Legia won the first leg by more goals they'd still have gone through. As if discretion hasn't been used - if that is a rigid rule it sets all kinds of precedents for sides leading by more than 3 goals just forfeiting the second leg (to keep down travel costs and the risk of new suspensions) rather than risking a 4 goal defeat, and also for any side winning by more than 3 to field anyone they like, registered or not. In this case, they have followed the rule to the letter, ignoring the circumstances, I would argue that discretion was warranted for this situation. Granted, they used discretion for Debrecen, in 2010, arguably before governing bodies were as discredited as they are now. My point is that the decision today is made in light of the fact that they are desperate to appear legitimate and above board (hence "failing"). Edit: They fined Debrecen under a different rule (where the game "may" be forfeit), rather than the rule under which this decision was made (where the match "will" be forfeit). So they have never shown discretion. Edited 8 August, 2014 by KingdomCome checking the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Stupid from Legia, what was the point of making that substitution anyway? Mind you, UEFA have ignored their own previous precedents, but that's hardly a surprise. Delia has gotten right off the hook there. If it had been Celtic winning 6-1 and then falling foul of player eligibility rules they'd have probably got an £750 fine but when FIFA is so awful, the saying 'the fish rots from the head' comes to mind. No wonder UEFA, the PL, FA and Football League are so poor when the game's overarching governance body has such a cloud having over it and a buffoon in charge. Shouldn't make any difference to Saints, the club have had more than long enough to get CB and GK situations resolved and signings completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26878545 Can we have our additional 2 points please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 And do UEFA manage the suspension? Seems strange that the fact that the earlier matches didn't count only came to light now. They didn't play him until Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26878545 Can we have our additional 2 points please? Ineligible not suspended and administered by a completely different organisation under different competition rules - and even that punishment is COMPLETELY in line with the one given to Debrecen by UEFA for the ineligible player they fielded. They're taking the flaunting of a suspension more seriously than fielding an ineligible one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Does anyone think the Forster deal will fall through now? I think he'll still come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Stupid from Legia, what was the point of making that substitution anyway? Mind you, UEFA have ignored their own previous precedents, No they haven't, they've ignored the Debrecen ineligibility precedent to make a decision on a suspended player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 In this case, they have followed the rule to the letter, ignoring the circumstances, I would argue that discretion was warranted for this situation. Granted, they used discretion for Debrecen, in 2010, arguably before governing bodies were as discredited as they are now. My point is that the decision today is made in light of the fact that they are desperate to appear legitimate and above board (hence "failing"). Edit: They fined Debrecen under a different rule (where the game "may" be forfeit), rather than the rule under which this decision was made (where the match "will" be forfeit). So they have never shown discretion. So what you're saying is that they should make different, unrestricted, rulings depending on circumstance, rather than adhering to the prescribed regulations and appropriate punishments as laid out. Well I can't see how that would be open to abuse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 So what you're saying is that they should make different, unrestricted, rulings depending on circumstance, rather than adhering to the prescribed regulations and appropriate punishments as laid out. Well I can't see how that would be open to abuse... Who mentioned unrestricted? If you mean do I think that decisions should be made after having considered the circumstances and allowing discretion within the rules for borderline cases, then yes, yes I do. They allow discretion for the ineligible players already, why not suspended? Change my opinion however you like to fit your position though. I would suggest something along the lines of believing Mick over in Nyon should be allowed to do whatever he feels like in any given situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Crazy. Can you imagine the uproar if it was Celtic who had fielded the ineligible player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Crazy. Can you imagine the uproar if it was Celtic who had fielded the ineligible player. Well no, they got roundly beaten ..twice so it would have made no difference really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Crazy. Can you imagine the uproar if it was Celtic who had fielded the ineligible player. Or Real Madrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 The Celtic fans I know just appear embarrassed about the decision to be fair to them. Must be a very odd position for them to be in I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Have to say I am more concerned that van Dijk is likely to go to Newcastle.... or not! I don't think we've been in for him to be honest, which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Well according to my old friends at hat-trick we were looking to sign papy Djiliboji (sp) from Nantes, Ralph was even seen at Le Beaujoir but it fell through over work permit concerns in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 August, 2014 Share Posted 8 August, 2014 Most of these offences are technicalities as clubs clearly don't do this intentionally in the hope they can clip him in without anybody noticing it. You may be able to do it in the Southampton Junior League Division 3 on a Saturday where you can slide him in as a ringer, but probably not in a Champion League game. It does seem a harsh punishment for somebody who came on for a few minutes at the end of a dead tie, but they have broken the rule. The rules have to be black and white because the moment you allow exceptions, then other clubs will attempt to drive a coach and horse through them. A fine for the club would be more than sufficient. The suspended player missed the required number of matches, but due to a stupid clerical error some of those matches weren't counted. So unless other clubs are itching to deliberately make clerical errors to have their suspended players technically not complete their ban, I don't see how giving the club a reasonable punishment (a fine) would open the flood gates to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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