hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Pleat calls it in a sentence... Pleat summed it up rather well I thought.
badgerx16 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Pleat sums it up perfectly... but the question is how much of the FFP rules have dictated this 'firesale'. Surely in a firesale you wouldn't get a world record fee for one 18 year old, and £16Mill for another ?
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 reaction in the studio saints are not the only team with a very good youth set up, they come across as they have they will struggle hugely with the mad strategy they have taken koeman will have to be an exceptional coach to make them competitive Ralph comes across as a media diplomat worrying faith in so many youngsters with no first team experience Brought through academy players and sold at optimum prices. Sensible to sell 1 per season to sell what they have so far this summer is utter madness southampton have simply failed to bring in the players that ralph suggests southampton have spent a lot of money in the last couple of years club has a very good set up morgan is making is very clear he wants out. be interesting to see his attitude if he is still there Fair enough viewpoint I think. End of the day, selling is one thing, but we simply haven't brought enough quality in to offset the loss. It's ok being patient but it seems we are going to be the ones ****ing around in the last weeks of the window chasing anyone who is available. If you are going to sell as we have, then the incomings are even more vital. Koeman does have a bloody tough job, perhaps tougher than he realises.
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Its painful listening to the panel, their opinions are questionable, but what grates perhaps more is the clear factual error after factual error from all of them.
Block34 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Pleat is 100% right, we are f*cked Pleat - brain the size of a planet
badgerx16 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Did Jay really cost us £12M, Claridge thinks he did????? thought he was around £7M where do these guys get there facts!! Facts had nothing to do with that discussion / interview.
shurlock Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Its painful listening to the panel, their opinions are questionable, but what grates perhaps more is the clear factual error after factual error from all of them. Pleat got Morgan's old club wrong - a trifling error. But otherwise was spot on. His knowledge of the current academy output was particularly impressive.
Turkish Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Did Jay really cost us £12M, Claridge thinks he did????? thought he was around £7M where do these guys get there facts!! He Also said kat was Markus wife. What a clown, clueless
S-Clarke Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 The studio guys did themselves no favours at all there, before you go into an interview it's sometimes good to do some research on the topic. HTH.
Colinjb Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Seriously? You're able to make that full judgement on his ability based on the fact he doesn't say what you want him to say and how you want him to say it? Not fair to just pick on you here Colin, so apologies for that, but there are too many people making judgements clouded by their own expectations IMO... No offense taken at the converse perspective. However, I can only go on how the club has behaved in the last 6 months and put that against his words. I stand by my opinion, the guy is utterly out of his depth.
Ohio Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I'm not familiar with this radio show, but having just now listened to it, I smell that they are in love with the exodus story and want Saints to fail so as to contrast their successes last year. It just makes better listening in their opinion. Ralph said nothing much new as he was asked the same old tired questions from a couple of weeks ago. There was really nothing new here, and it's sad to say that Auntie Beeb come across to me just as badly and amateurish as Talkcrap. Just ask Mrs. Markus about that!!??
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Its painful listening to the panel, their opinions are questionable, but what grates perhaps more is the clear factual error after factual error from all of them. That must be the equivalent of Chinese water torture for you.
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 reaction in the studio saints are not the only team with a very good youth set up, they come across as they have they will struggle hugely with the mad strategy they have taken koeman will have to be an exceptional coach to make them competitive Ralph comes across as a media diplomat worrying faith in so many youngsters with no first team experience Brought through academy players and sold at optimum prices. Sensible to sell 1 per season to sell what they have so far this summer is utter madness southampton have simply failed to bring in the players that ralph suggests southampton have spent a lot of money in the last couple of years club has a very good set up morgan is making is very clear he wants out. be interesting to see his attitude if he is still there Can't argue with any of that.
Convict Colony Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 (edited) hahahhahaha twitter reaction "@bbc5live you clueless bunch of ******s... You know absolutely faack all!! Claridge is full of **** & Pleat is a ****in donkey #saintsfc" "That's news... Jay Rod moved for £12million, Schneiderlin came from Lille and Katharina Liebherr is Markus's widow... #saintsfc" "So, all that was discovered from that interview is that the BBC staff are ****ing useless. #saintsfc" Edited 5 August, 2014 by Convict Colony
Block34 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 If you're all up for some more..... Simon Peach @SimonPeach 56m Spent 30 minutes chatting #SaintsFC with Ralph Krueger in his office today. My interview with the chairman on the @pressassoc wire at 10pm.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Ralph Krueger, speaking to BBC 5live on Tuesday the 5th of August: - At the time, with the information available to us, we believed it was best to keep the status quo - Mauricio then decided to move on and take a shortcut into Europe - With sports, you have to expect the unexpected - When we speak about players out, we must judge that based on players in - We now have a manager in Ronald Koeman who is in line with our strategy and philosophy - We also now have a manager who is in this for the long-term, to build something - The positive to take is that it gives Koeman a chance to build his own Saints side - I feel for the fans and I do apologise - But, we couldn't talk about all the details at the time (surrounding Pochettino etc.) - There's still a few weeks left in the transfer window - Hopefully the fans can be patient and see what we're going to do - My role here at Saints is to find the best possible people for executive management positions - The mechanics of major league sports is very familiar - However, the transfer market here is very 'interesting' and dynamic - We need to be successful and sustainable (BBC play clip of Cortese talking about 'how to win the Premier League' to Krueger) - I never met my predecessor, but I do believe what is important is the extremely strong infrastructure - The club has had this infrastructure for decades now - We will have new players to put into our line-up - Look at the opportunity given to Luke Shaw also, he wouldn't have got that at many other Premier League clubs - We're looking to use our funds to create a deeper and stronger roster - I believe we will also see a few more names grow out of our academy and into our first team this season - We never said one of our players were for sale - We never aggressively attempted to sell anyone - Ronald understood what was going to happen - He has been a part of the process, every single part of it - He accepted that it would be a turbulent first summer - The fact of the matter is that we then looked at our first team and decided that Morgan was a centre-piece - We've made it very clear, he's not for sale - What matters now at Saints is how we are looking against Liverpool - Morgan will be there for Liverpool - (when asked specifically if Morgan will be in our matchday squad against Liverpool) - Jay is also a definite centre-piece - But he still has months of rehab and we look forward to rehabilitating him - What has happened, has happened [with Morgan] - I don't need to discuss that - We are going to retain Jay Rodriguez and Morgan Schneiderlin - We look forward to building our new-look side around those two - We want to be a difficult team to play against - Our aspirations are to grow the club into Europe - This is a step-by-step process - The process must occur at all levels - We did not feel this was in place when we arrived - We had to make some payments - We now have a strong sum that gives us an opportunity to reinvest in the club - We are not going to rush - We've been given a green light by the owner - She has enabled us to reinvest the funds in a combination of transfers - I was not hired to coach the team - I am here to create a management culture - We want to be as well run as a club can be in the Premier League - I want to say to the fans, we don't expect trust overnight - What I would like to ask them for, is time - We will earn their trust through our actions, not just words - The club is not for sale - I wouldn't have turned down some very nice jobs as a Head Coach in the NHL - Katharina has given her full backing for the club to reinvest - She has also told me that the club is not for sale - We want to continue to build on the strong foundations that have been here for decades - We want to build into the future of this football club
Saints foreva Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 If you're all up for some more..... Simon Peach @SimonPeach 56m Spent 30 minutes chatting #SaintsFC with Ralph Krueger in his office today. My interview with the chairman on the @pressassoc wire at 10pm. I bet it's just a repeat of the same bull****.
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 (edited) "Mrs Liebherr" says Southampton not for sale. Morgan not for sale. On the other hand, none of our players this summer were for sale either. Yep. Gonna take a long time before we believe anything he says again. If I was KL I would sack him. I'm sorry, but there is nothing wrong with what he is trying to say tonight... but he's lost the fan base. Blokes an idiot. No faith in what he has to say. Sack him. Edited 5 August, 2014 by SaintRobbie
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 His knowledge of the current academy output was particularly impressive. Yeah I thought that, reeled a bunch of academy names off the top of his head and said they weren't ready. Prob the only pundit who even knows who e.g. Turnbull is
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Its painful listening to the panel, their opinions are questionable, but what grates perhaps more is the clear factual error after factual error from all of them. What do you expect with a panel that has the combined iq of an amoeba? I mean claridge FFS he is a skate that doesn't know the difference between wife and daughter (no surprises there tho').
Saint George Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 What a difference when they ran the tape from a Cortese interview....The man in control and with a plan vs The Man with the waffle and like a rabbit in the head lights....Sheez....how far we've gone backwards in such a short time. And WTF was blaming Saints fans for "not understanding the process" all about?
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Yep. Gonna take a long time before we believe anything he says again. I think you mean you not we.
Minty Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 And WTF was blaming Saints fans for "not understanding the process" all about? Well, to be honest, no one here does have a clue, so he's right. He wasn't blaming anyone, just pointing out, quite rightly IMO, that unless you're within the club and part of the process, then chances are you don't know what goes on.
hasper57saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I listened with trepidation. RK was honest. Taters? Effing clueless. Tried to text but no response. BBC up to their usual negativity in utilising three no brain has-beens who have no idea about what is going on at SFC. Pleat? It's what you find in a skirt right?
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I think you mean you not we. No I mean the majority. When the evidence is there for us all to see how much money has been reinvested and how much better the team is, then 'we' will make an informed decision. But I can't abide spin doctor and managers who lose the customers faith - I remove them. Its basic leadership.
Ohio Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 And WTF was blaming Saints fans for "not understanding the process" all about? He qualified that by mentioning the silence of the board at that time. If you don't have the information, you can have no clear understanding of the situation. Edit Minty beat me to it.
Minty Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Yep. Gonna take a long time before we believe anything he says again. If I was KL I would sack him. I'm sorry, but there is nothing wrong with what he is trying to say tonight... but he's lost the fan base. Blokes an idiot. No faith in what he has to say. Sack him. If you were KL you would be working with him on a daily basis and know more about what actually happens, rather than commenting from a position of significant ignorance. He hasn't lost me. I'm certainly no fan of his, but I don't think he deserves the judgement that some of you have put on him.
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 The man in control and with a plan vs The Man with the waffle and like a rabbit in the head lights....Sheez....how far we've gone backwards in such a short time. Yep.
Minty Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 No I mean the majority. When the evidence is there for us all to see how much money has been reinvested and how much better the team is, then 'we' will make an informed decision. So guilty until proven innocent then?
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 If you were KL you would be working with him on a daily basis and know more about what actually happens, rather than commenting from a position of significant ignorance. He hasn't lost me. I'm certainly no fan of his, but I don't think he deserves the judgement that some of you have put on him. Minty. My heart bleeds for him. My head says get rid of this Canadian idiot and go and raid whoever is running Liverpool behind the scenes - because they are ruthless and ambitious. AND know what they're doing.
Block34 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 What a difference when they ran the tape from a Cortese interview....The man in control and with a plan vs The Man with the waffle and like a rabbit in the head lights....Sheez....how far we've gone backwards in such a short time. boo hoo - time to cwy!
sadoldgit Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Fair enough viewpoint I think. End of the day, selling is one thing, but we simply haven't brought enough quality in to offset the loss. It's ok being patient but it seems we are going to be the ones ****ing around in the last weeks of the window chasing anyone who is available. If you are going to sell as we have, then the incomings are even more vital. Koeman does have a bloody tough job, perhaps tougher than he realises. So here we have a top international and club player and yet he didnt see what you can see about how tough the job is going to be?
SaintRobbie Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 So guilty until proven innocent then? Guilty as charged - so far he's demonstrated very little integrity and been part of a major player exodus and a Boardroom of mismanagement. We're in the plea in mitigation stage now Minty. I think as a manager - based on his performance to date - I would have absolutely no redress if I sacked him. Genuinely. But, you're right, there may be something else going on behind the scenes for the owner.... e.g. he's trying to sell the club for her.
sotonjoe Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I liked the bit where he justified the departures so far by saying the players weren't actually for sale, and then went on to try and comfort us by saying that neither Morgan, nor the club itself, are for sale. What a tool.
sadoldgit Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 What a difference when they ran the tape from a Cortese interview....The man in control and with a plan vs The Man with the waffle and like a rabbit in the head lights....Sheez....how far we've gone backwards in such a short time. And WTF was blaming Saints fans for "not understanding the process" all about?[/QUOTE] He is spot on. You only have to look at the rubbish spouted here every day by those without one ounce of patience or knowledge about how transfers are conducted.
Sour Mash Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 (edited) What a difference when they ran the tape from a Cortese interview....The man in control and with a plan vs The Man with the waffle and like a rabbit in the head lights....Sheez....how far we've gone backwards in such a short time. And WTF was blaming Saints fans for "not understanding the process" all about? What's Cortese's plan for taking the club forward? Edited 5 August, 2014 by Sour Mash
Block34 Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Guilty as charged - so far he's demonstrated very little integrity and been part of a major player exodus and a Boardroom of mismanagement. We're in the plea in mitigation stage now Minty. I think as a manager - based on his performance to date - I would have absolutely no redress if I sacked him. Genuinely. But, you're right, there may be something else going on behind the scenes for the owner.... e.g. he's trying to sell the club for her. Surely you're not calling him a liar after him publicly saying the Club isn't for sale?
Saint George Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Well, to be honest, no one here does have a clue, so he's right. He wasn't blaming anyone, just pointing out, quite rightly IMO, that unless you're within the club and part of the process, then chances are you don't know what goes on. Peeps don't understand the process of selling off the spine our first team because 'Wreck it and Reed' said it wouldn't happen........Now its the fans fault because they got the wrong impression from their weasel words.......Having said that i see there's one or peeps around still hanging off every last one of them. No accounting for gullibility
sadoldgit Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I liked the bit where he justified the departures so far by saying the players weren't actually for sale, and then went on to try and comfort us by saying that neither Morgan, nor the club itself, are for sale. What a tool. There is a difference between players that are on the market and players that could go if the price is right. This is the same for every club. Every player has his price. He has said seveeal times that we are not selling MS or the club. If we do either then yes, by all means call him names. As things stand I dont see what your problem is.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 I liked the bit where he justified the departures so far by saying the players weren't actually for sale, and then went on to try and comfort us by saying that neither Morgan, nor the club itself, are for sale. What a tool. You've misunderstood what he said... by quite a considerable amount!
Ohio Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 He hasn't lost me. I'm certainly no fan of his, but I don't think he deserves the judgement that some of you have put on him. I'm with Minty on this. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong, but in the meantime, I wish that people would stop including me in their blind condemnations of the man by assuming that we are all in the same camp.
Dr Who? Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 You've really had the stuffing knocked out you. Used to be a very positive poster as well. Well you have to admit, things have gone a little off track, to say the least. I have no reason at this moment in time to be positive!
sadoldgit Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Peeps don't understand the process of selling off the spine our first team because 'Wreck it and Reed' said it wouldn't happen........Now its the fans fault because they got the wrong impression from their weasel words.......Having said that i see there's one or peeps around still hanging off every last one of them. No accounting for gullibility No he didnt say it wouldnt happen. Jeez. He said it would only happen if it was right for the club and the manager agreed. What is so hard to understand about that? The only players he said we are not selling are Morgan and Jay as these are part of the core that the club want to build around. If either of these get sold feel free to wet the bed.
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 reaction in the studio saints are not the only team with a very good youth set up, they come across as they have they will struggle hugely with the mad strategy they have taken koeman will have to be an exceptional coach to make them competitive Ralph comes across as a media diplomat worrying faith in so many youngsters with no first team experience Brought through academy players and sold at optimum prices. Sensible to sell 1 per season to sell what they have so far this summer is utter madness southampton have simply failed to bring in the players that ralph suggests southampton have spent a lot of money in the last couple of years club has a very good set up morgan is making is very clear he wants out. be interesting to see his attitude if he is still there Not entirely sure what the issue with that reaction is ? Dealing purely in facts we are in a worse position now then the end of last season and its what ? 2 weeks until the big k/off ? Whilst there is still time to bring some very able players in the upheaval in the squad will be difficult to overcome early in the season. Overall we will be ok however I personally think it will be a mid bottom finish. I cant see how this is an unreasonable viewpoint to have ? And one thats shared with the majority of the footballing world as a whole ?
Viking Warrior Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Good summary batman Saint Steve I might be a tad naive but I remain optomistic for the future . I have done so for many decades and will do for a couple more decades before I disappear from this earth . Yes I get down but the next day I brush myself down and then the passion returns David pleat now upsetting the man city fans
buctootim Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Thanks for posting all that, Bats. Yep many thanks.
Convict Colony Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Minty. My heart bleeds for him. My head says get rid of this Canadian idiot and go and raid whoever is running Liverpool behind the scenes - because they are ruthless and ambitious. AND know what they're doing. Didn't we agree we pulled down their pants over the fee's for Lovren and Lallana ?
cellone Posted 5 August, 2014 Posted 5 August, 2014 Looking forward to the end of this dynamic window.
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