Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28593032 Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I wonder where all this came from. Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Veracity aside, "There was no attempt to persuade Lallana or Shaw to stay. Not once did a club official hold talks with the players to ask them to reconsider, to delay their moves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I wonder where all this came from. Morgan? Yeah, perhaps. The article certainly speaks about Lallana in glowing terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Fair summary... Most of us could have written the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 (edited) Fair summary... Most of us could have written the same Well, I certainly wasn't aware that Lallana and Shaw weren't spoken to formally. Perhaps others were (aware). Edit: And the article seems to suggest that Lallana's discontent was the catalyst for other exits, rather than, say, Pochettino's/Cortese's departure (although I'm sure they were all factors). Edited 31 July, 2014 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Typical BBC tosh Nothing original . Any off us could have written a summary not too dissimilar Maybe whoever wrote that plagiarised the forums views I forgot to check who the author of the beeb article was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Is there really anything new in there? I could have written that. Whether or not it's all 100% factually correct will never be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 It's clearly an accurate article and they have obviously spoken to some players. I'm surprised no one spoke to Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Nothing particularly new in that is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Nothing new for us in the main. But a piece for the wider general football, maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I would say Hooiveld having an offer from Germany was new, to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Have you guys actually read the article in full? There's new information in there, as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I'm sort of over it now. Nothing we can really do from it. Lets hope the board have learnt from their mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just a bit boring now, its been done to death. If the Mum of a 15 year old thinks there is a better Academy for hsr son to play at then fine. But surely the sales show the opposite, if they want to get to the top then what better place than a club that gives young players a chance then sells them on? I think Ben Smith does still have a bit of an agenda. Plus, hopefully Hooiveld will take the German club up on their offer, I'm sure its Bayern or Dortmund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnicoolas Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Personally i have had enough of this drivel…i don't see the club selling anymore players and with an influx of new talent the only way is up…f**ck the press and there negative stories…COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Look what pops up from Ben Smith when things are looking slightly up once more. Predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Well, I certainly wasn't aware that Lallana and Shaw weren't spoken to formally. Perhaps others were (aware). Edit: And the article seems to suggest that Lallana's discontent was the catalyst for other exits, rather than, say, Pochettino's/Cortese's departure (although I'm sure they were all factors). Given his rush for thirty pieces of scouse silver (and I say that as a fan who supported him and ranted on about his talent from when he was a kid) perhaps it was Lallana they spoke to ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Look what pops up from Ben Smith when things are looking slightly up once more. Predictable. The author isn't mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 My word, liking the new attitude of some posters on here, fairplay lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap Frankly, I don't think people are actually reading the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Llallana demanded respect and admiration I don't believe that , all that badge kissing and telling us he wanted to end his career with us , what tosh I am aware that a board member did procrastinate at one point but I suspect that was not allow llalana to speak to Liverpool There were others in the team who gelled the team together. , fonte , kelvin but not Adam I will not change my mind about llallana . Yes he did some good things for us but he has severed any respect I had for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Typical BBC tosh Nothing original . Any off us could have written a summary not too dissimilar Maybe whoever wrote that plagiarised the forums views I forgot to check who the author of the beeb article was . Agreed, hardly deep investigative reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Only 20 posts before this is regarded as crap "Or there's nothing new here" - the hipsters response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28593032 Enjoy. Was mildly interesting until they included a quote from the unelected self styled spokesman for the Southampton Fans..... At which point the whole article looses credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Agreed, hardly deep investigative reporting. It's football, mate, not Dispatchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true? Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I think people need to stop blaming reports on cortese Not so long ago, all the rumours in the press were nothing but cortese stirring it. Now after 5 players have left (to clubs they were linked to) people still think this are the works of a bloke who has nothing more to do with us. Odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Have you guys actually read the article in full? There's new information in there, as far as I'm concerned. New info? It just puts a negative spin on the whole thing as usual. Shaw and Lallana clearly wanted out whether we tried to keep them or not (and Lovren for that matter). Nothing about the lack of loyalty or commitment from the players to the club who did so much for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true? Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures. Again, Ben Smith isn't actually mentioned as the author of the piece (he probably is, mind - although, he does tend to take credit for his articles). But you're right, without sources, pinch of salt territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. It's really a special trait of sports journalism that you can write whatever you like and attribute no sources to it. For instance, how does he know this to be true? Lallana had been the glue which had held the team together. In the dressing room, he was the most popular, a leader who demanded respect and admiration. He joined the club as a 12-year-old and was a key figure as Southampton fought their way back from League One. When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment, others began to question their own futures. So basically Adam is responsible for the whole mess...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I don't know this Ben Smith fellow, but I've seen him mentioned numerous times on this board as Cortese's mouthpiece. If there is any doubt about that being true at least at the time he was with the club and as he made his exit, read this piece. For context, this was published when Pochettino was first linked with Spurs after AVB got the sack in December. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just had a look who wrote that Wasn't it Ben Smith who flew to Italy and had an exclusive interview with NC then it says it all really , Shame smith didn't approach the club directors for their side of the equation And the likes of lallana and lovrens agents having a pop , as well as NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just had a look who wrote that Wasn't it Ben Smith who flew to Italy and had an exclusive interview with NC then it says it all really , Shame smith didn't approach the club directors for their side of the equation And the likes of lallana and lovrens agents having a pop , as well as NC Yeah, it's been updated to include Ben Smith as the author now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I think people need to stop blaming reports on cortese Not so long ago, all the rumours in the press were nothing but cortese stirring it. Now after 5 players have left (to clubs they were linked to) people still think this are the works of a bloke who has nothing more to do with us. Odd Didn't Guan say the conspiracy was basically BS - said that a lot of the 'negative' press speculation was actually due to the club not reciprocating and providing greater access after the press had initially printed some quite positive stories. And, of course, all those 'negative' stories came true - that's just the press doing it's job in my book. Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 (edited) TBH and couldn't give a f uck why, how or who is to blame anymore what is done is done. Time to move on for me and support the team that are here now, in whatever shape that is. New players are starting to come in, I'm really starting to warm to Koeman, and I've enjoyed the last two pre-season games. Sooner the season starts and I can just concentrate on the football the better hopeful this summer will soon just be a bad memory and we can build a fresh squad of players who ,at least for now, want to be at saints. Edited 1 August, 2014 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just a summary of events after having a chat to Lallana basically then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 It's football, mate, not Dispatchers. Hardly an "inside story" though is it? Anyone from here could have cobbled that together. It is also very one sided. Why not get a view from the Board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just a long summary really. We knew most of that already. Things that stand out are: The club not talking to Shaw and Adam (but does not mention where this info came from), says that not once did the club talk to the players, but they were at the WC, we all remember it well. I think the club wanted the money for those two, it was just about getting as much as poss. Why hold talks when you can make a sale? Adam being the leader of the group? Hmmm, not too sure about that? It always seems to be Fonte but maybe Im wrong there. The funniest bit is this 'When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment'.... so he wanted out then was angered that the club did not beg him to stay? Jos to Germany? Anyone know anything about that? This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Shurlock Re Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him. I retracted my impression of Blackmore some weeks back . If you care to check . I got it wrong with him , was just hacked of at the time with most journos But he is okay and his interview the other day with Ralph was very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Think that 15 year old academy prospect might have a few choice words for his parents in a couple of years time. I'm sure we'll get on fine without you son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 While it might be true, isn't the article based on supposition and one side of the story? I would have thought that if you wanted to write a balanced article that maybe Smith could have asked the club for their input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 "Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. The question now, is where will it all end? When will it all stop?" What a load of absolute nonsense! Parent:" balls to this, there's no way I want my son to stay here, the young lads end up getting massive contracts at Champions League clubs". If the parents quoted there are real(99.9% guaranteed made up) they are as thick as Fudge. The BBC are supposed to be above this blatant hyperbole aren' t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Just a long summary really. We knew most of that already. Things that stand out are: The club not talking to Shaw and Adam (but does not mention where this info came from), says that not once did the club talk to the players, but they were at the WC, we all remember it well. I think the club wanted the money for those two, it was just about getting as much as poss. Why hold talks when you can make a sale? Adam being the leader of the group? Hmmm, not too sure about that? It always seems to be Fonte but maybe Im wrong there. The funniest bit is this 'When word spread that Lallana wanted out, that he was angered by his treatment'.... so he wanted out then was angered that the club did not beg him to stay? Jos to Germany? Anyone know anything about that? This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters! Exactly!!! The quality of the academy has been there for many years. If I had a son I'd want him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 This bit is stupid... 'Perhaps most worrying of all, is the fear the discontent might spread to the club's highly regarded academy. The parents of one 15-year-old player have already decided they no longer want their son to stay on at the club amid the uncertainty. ' ... Why would a parent not want their kid at Saints? They bring them trough and then move to champ league clubs,,, its the perfect place for youngsters! I thought the exact same thing: Saints is the place to be for a young player, if you want first team football followed by an inflated transfer to a bigger club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Shurlock Re Don't tell Viking Warrior though. He still thinks Adam Blackmore has a personal vendetta and that we must all be friendly or related to him whenever anyone cites or defends him. I retracted my impression of Blackmore some weeks back . If you care to check . I got it wrong with him , was just hacked of at the time with most journos But he is okay and his interview the other day with Ralph was very good Fair enough VW There are very few decent and reliable journos out there, so Blackmore's definitely a valuable resource when we're all struggling to cut through the c**p and misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 And don't forget Lallana was already hoping he'd play for Liverpool when he ran out at Anfield.... Sent from my RM-892_eu_euro1_227 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Going off track a bit now re the academy Lowe said we sold the lodge which we did and that had an impact in the academy But can anyone confirm we now have better digs and facilities for our academy players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Don't they stay with local families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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