Saint_clark Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Good. Taider sounded the most promising of the linked players. Do you mean in this deal or altogether? Because he's the least inspiring transfer link i've heard probably since the takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Do you mean in this deal or altogether? Because he's the least inspiring transfer link i've heard probably since the takeover. What are you on about? He's clearly not that bad, is he? Slight OTT to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 He's the least inspiring transfer link i've heard probably since the takeover. A 22 year old international who played at the World Cup and 25 league games for Inter Milan last season is the least inspiring link since 2009? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Taider plays further forward, he isn't really a DM, millieu relayeur at Grenoble. Couldn't say where he fits in at Inter, nowhere much apparently. They're after Gary Medel, Taider probably had whatever role Medel plays. Anyway I really doubt that Taider will sign for Saints, think he's had the chance to do so before and didn't.. Another point of semantics for you WC! Speaking French doesn't make you sound any more clever, either...I can say mots de fantaisie in French, too, but prefer to stick to the English, you know, like every one else on here does. (And, if we're really getting into it, 'Millieu' actually only needs the one 'l'.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 A 22 year old international who played at the World Cup and 25 league games for Inter Milan last season is the least inspiring link since 2009? Really? Whilst ou cannot dispute the fact that he appeared for Inter 25 times (13 starts+12 subs) last season you might also like to point out that he made 90 minutes 3 times ,10 of his appearances were for 18 minutes or less and 7 were of less than 10 minutes, 2 less than 5. Sounds a bit like Gaston if not Guly. Nothing against him myself but he's not a star act that we should worry overmuch whether he comes or doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 (edited) Another point of semantics for you WC! Speaking French doesn't make you sound any more clever, either...I can say mots de fantaisie in French, too, but prefer to stick to the English, you know, like every one else on here does. (And, if we're really getting into it, 'Millieu' actually only needs the one 'l'.) What do you call a milieu relayeur in English then, I certainly don't know. Milieu recuperateur and Milieu Relayeur seperate the 2 kinds that we call DM. I've used the term before, no one seemed to mind then. I've been here 30 years, English isn't particularly natural to me any more. Most accept that, you can't apparently. Tell you what put me on ignore, then you won't have to worry about me eh. Edited 1 August, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 What do you call a milieu relayeur in English then, I certainly don't know. Milieu recuperateur and Milieu Relayeur seperate the 2 kinds that we call DM. I've used the term before, no one seemed to mind then. I've been here 30 years, English isn't particularly natural to me any more. Most accept that, you can't apparently. Tell you what put me on ignore, then you won't have to worry about me eh. "Middle runner" sounds a fair bit like a central midfielder who is encouraged to push forward, perhaps through the middle, so 'attacking central midfielder' or ACM for those that like Football Manager. Even box to box midfielder works. My point is that there are ample words in the English dictionary to describe the words that you have needlessly dipped into the French language for. I never once saw Alex Ferguson in his post match interview describing a player as being "the best Milieu Relayeur on the pitch" because, as English speakers with English words, we quite simply don't need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Whilst ou cannot dispute the fact that he appeared for Inter 25 times (13 starts+12 subs) last season you might also like to point out that he made 90 minutes 3 times ,10 of his appearances were for 18 minutes or less and 7 were of less than 10 minutes, 2 less than 5. Sounds a bit like Gaston if not Guly. Nothing against him myself but he's not a star act that we should worry overmuch whether he comes or doesn't. Still doesn't make him the "least inspiring link since the takeover" though does it? Which is the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Still doesn't make him the "least inspiring link since the takeover" though does it? Which is the point I was making. no, we've certainly been linked with a lot worse, including right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 "Middle runner" sounds a fair bit like a central midfielder who is encouraged to push forward, perhaps through the middle, so 'attacking central midfielder' or ACM for those that like Football Manager. Even box to box midfielder works. My point is that there are ample words in the English dictionary to describe the words that you have needlessly dipped into the French language for. I never once saw Alex Ferguson in his post match interview describing a player as being "the best Milieu Relayeur on the pitch" because, as English speakers with English words, we quite simply don't need to. Milieu relayeur is not an ACM or a 'middle runnner' - not sure how you came up with that translation. Box to box is the closest reference but that doesn't completely do it as it brings to mind lurid visions of Richard Chaplow, not players who can link defense and attack through their passing, technique and reading of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Milieu relayeur is not an ACM or a 'middle runnner' - not sure how you came up with that translation. Box to box is the closest reference but that doesn't completely do it as it brings to mind the Richard Chaplows of this world, not players who can link defense and attack through their passing, technique and reading of the game. The term would be relaying midfielder surely, don't think i've ever heard that used in the Uk though, people just tend to use the term CM which could mean anything really. DM CM AM without further precision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Do you mean in this deal or altogether? Because he's the least inspiring transfer link i've heard probably since the takeover. In this deal. If we are going to get a player in due to the osvaldo deal, we may as well get one in who may have something about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Putain ta mere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 What do you call a milieu relayeur in English then, I certainly don't know. Milieu recuperateur and Milieu Relayeur seperate the 2 kinds that we call DM. I've used the term before, no one seemed to mind then. I've been here 30 years, English isn't particularly natural to me any more. Most accept that, you can't apparently. Tell you what put me on ignore, then you won't have to worry about me eh. Wasn't it water-carrier or something like that? Maybe hod-carrier: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/aug/19/sport.comment2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 So did Koeman really say : Taider, he would bring quality to the midfield and we( really) need that ? Haven't we got quality in midfield then, who of our err 6 or 7 midfielders isn't quality then. It's a strange thing to say, perhaps it's just the translation that makes it seem odd. I'd have thought that with Wanyama,Cork Morgan (perhaps) Davis, JWP, Gaston and Tadic it's the one area where we're not too badly furnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Do you mean in this deal or altogether? Because he's the least inspiring transfer link i've heard probably since the takeover. Played very well for Algeria when they played Belgium in the WC and made their so called "golden generation" play lateral for most of the match - Bettered Dembele by a mile who was hauled off not to appear in the tournament as a starter again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Played very well for Algeria when they played Belgium in the WC and made their so called "golden generation" play lateral for most of the match - Bettered Dembele by a mile who was hauled off not to appear in the tournament as a starter again. In fact it was quite odd that several Belgians currently playing in the PL had relatively poor tournaments. Dembele and Hazard spring to mind along with Lukaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Did any player of any nationality who plays in the Premier League have a particularly good World Cup (ignoring bit parts like Krul and Suarez). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 In fact it was quite odd that several Belgians currently playing in the PL had relatively poor tournaments. Dembele and Hazard spring to mind along with Lukaku. Yeah, Hazard was utter pants wasn't he? Can't think of a single thing he did all tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Apparently talks are still ongoing over Schelotto, should be settled in a few hours.No mention of Taider though. Seems that Inter are determind to fob us off with someone that they don't particularly want to keep if they take Osvaldo off of our hands. Can't quite see what the bloke will bring us that we don't have already but who knows. I really do wonder if we're in control of this situation in any way whatsoever. Did Koeman mention Schelotto at all as well as Taider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Yeah, Hazard was utter pants wasn't he? Can't think of a single thing he did all tournament. Don't know didn't see too many of Belgium's games, one perhaps, I know the Belgian public were fairly miffed over him though, expected too much no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Apparently talks are still ongoing over Schelotto, should be settled in a few hours.No mention of Taider though. Seems that Inter are determind to fob us off with someone that they don't particularly want to keep if they take Osvaldo off of our hands. Can't quite see what the bloke will bring us that we don't have already but who knows. I really do wonder if we're in control of this situation in any way whatsoever. Did Koeman mention Schelotto at all as well as Taider. He was only asked about Taider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Did any player of any nationality who plays in the Premier League have a particularly good World Cup (ignoring bit parts like Krul and Suarez). RVP any good was he? Good goal first game certainly, no real recollection after that. Debuchy did fairly well, Lloris as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Apparently talks are still ongoing over Schelotto, should be settled in a few hours.No mention of Taider though. Seems that Inter are determind to fob us off with someone that they don't particularly want to keep if they take Osvaldo off of our hands. Can't quite see what the bloke will bring us that we don't have already but who knows. I really do wonder if we're in control of this situation in any way whatsoever. Did Koeman mention Schelotto at all as well as Taider. He sounded a bit like Steve de ridder to me. Sounds like an incredibly poor signing so hope we don't get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 In fact it was quite odd that several Belgians currently playing in the PL had relatively poor tournaments. Dembele and Hazard spring to mind along with Lukaku. Don't know didn't see too many of Belgium's games, one perhaps, I know the Belgian public were fairly miffed over him though, expected too much no doubt. You've made a judgement based on the one game you saw? Mange tout, windows, mange tout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 You've made a judgement based on the one game you saw? Mange tout, windows, mange tout. I saw one whole game,extracts for all, I read the Belgian press about all of the others, perhaps the Belgian journalists were deceiving me and they all had a great tournament. That's why Hazard actually thought it necessary to accept publicly the criticism in the media. Perhaps he deceived himself. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/30/uk-soccer-belgium-hazard-idUKKBN0FZ1BL20140730 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I'm not actually convinced we will get Schelotto as well. I think its between him or Taider, though we'll sign the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Interesting piece on Schelotto -the pace of the English game would expose him even more IMO. http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/03/parma-club-focus-finding-the-real-schelotto/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Is this going to turn into another tommy forecast deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Who cares as long as we off load Osvaldo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Is this going to turn into another tommy forecast deal? They'll be getting the Forecast end of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 "Middle runner" sounds a fair bit like a central midfielder who is encouraged to push forward, perhaps through the middle, so 'attacking central midfielder' or ACM for those that like Football Manager. Even box to box midfielder works. My point is that there are ample words in the English dictionary to describe the words that you have needlessly dipped into the French language for. I never once saw Alex Ferguson in his post match interview describing a player as being "the best Milieu Relayeur on the pitch" because, as English speakers with English words, we quite simply don't need to. "Box to box" midfielder covers it absolutely fine. It's not a new position, just that the starting position tends to be more defensive nowadays rather than (eg the more defensive CM in a flat 4-4-2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I'm not actually convinced we will get Schelotto as well. I think its between him or Taider, though we'll sign the latter. I got the impression that Taider has turned us down definitively actually, wrong end of stick seized perhaps though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I got the impression that Taider has turned us down definitively actually, wrong end of stick seized perhaps though. I think initially he did which has prolonged the whole process, but I gather from reports that he has since changed his mind. It was during the time where he initially turned us down that Schelotto was suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 A 22 year old international who played at the World Cup and 25 league games for Inter Milan last season is the least inspiring link since 2009? Really? Relative to our positions at the time, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I think initially he did which has prolonged the whole process, but I gather from reports that he has since changed his mind. It was during the time where he initially turned us down that Schelotto was suggested. But were still negociating over Schelotto apparently and the deal is not yet definitive. We'll soon see, Taider was in the US with the rest of the Inter players, if he turns up at Staplewood any time soon then we'll know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 These two articles suggest the deal for Osvaldo - Taider is nearly done and the Schelotto deal is a separate negotiation. So we are in for both. http://www.goalcity.com/?area=home&sezione=news_esplosa&id_news=462082&titolo=Mazzarri+finalmente+avra%27+Osvaldo%3A+c%27e%27+l%27accordo+con+il+Southampton http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/esclusiva-tmw-inter-incontro-a-milano-fra-ag-schelotto-e-vigorelli-579962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 These two articles suggest the deal for Osvaldo - Taider is nearly done and the Schelotto deal is a separate negotiation. So we are in for both. http://www.goalcity.com/?area=home&sezione=news_esplosa&id_news=462082&titolo=Mazzarri+finalmente+avra%27+Osvaldo%3A+c%27e%27+l%27accordo+con+il+Southampton http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/esclusiva-tmw-inter-incontro-a-milano-fra-ag-schelotto-e-vigorelli-579962 I do hope not. In all honesty this would be certainly the underwhelming signing vs. Bertrand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 hmm, I do hope I'm wrong, but if we do get Schelotto it does suggest a reverse to the days of filling the squad with average players just for the sake of filling the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 hmm, I do hope I'm wrong, but if we do get Schelotto it does suggest a reverse to the days of filling the squad with average players just for the sake of filling the squad. Which is why I find it very hard to believe this particular speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Which is why I find it very hard to believe this particular speculation. I personally think they're getting a bit confused, and the fact is that inter offered us both players. And our preference is Tadier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I personally think they're getting a bit confused, and the fact is that inter offered us both players. And our preference is Tadier. I hope this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 I look at this Schelotto guy and at first blush I'm very much underwhelmed. Yet, when you think about it, he's not the worst signing in the world. Take him out on loan, let him compete for a spot on the wing (where we are very short on quality at the moment - Isgrove v Mayuka, anyone?) and, if he's successful, invest further in a permanent deal. Again, it's hardly a worldy, but a sensible, prudent and low risk deal from Saints that could really benefit the (deprived) team this season. Don't shoot the messenger - I'm just trying to make a case for Schelotto. Edit: This post has the deals for both Taider and Schelotto going through in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Relative to our positions at the time, yes. Still doesn't make him the "least inspiring link since the takeover" though does it? Which is the point I was making. A 22 year old international who played at the World Cup and 25 league games for Inter Milan last season is the least inspiring link since 2009? Really? We signed Forren, remember? And if we're saying 2009 rather than just post-takeover, Otsemobor, Molyneux and Ryan Smith all spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Anyway the only thing that we really know is that Taider was in no hurry to leave DC and turn up in Southampton because he appears to be still there with the rest of the Inter players. They're back to Italy during the weekend I think so we may know more from say monday onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 We signed Forren, remember? And if we're saying 2009 rather than just post-takeover, Otsemobor, Molyneux and Ryan Smith all spring to mind. Molyneux and Smith were pre-takeover, which wasn't my point. Otsemobor, relative to where we were at the time (-10 in league one with no expectations of doing anything that season) was actually a decent signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Apparently talks are still ongoing over Schelotto, should be settled in a few hours.No mention of Taider though. Seems that Inter are determind to fob us off with someone that they don't particularly want to keep if they take Osvaldo off of our hands. Can't quite see what the bloke will bring us that we don't have already but who knows. I really do wonder if we're in control of this situation in any way whatsoever. Did Koeman mention Schelotto at all as well as Taider. errr aren't we doing the same this whole deal smacks of you take our useless **** and will take yours....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 http://www.gazzetta.it/Calciomercato/01-08-2014/inter-southampton-mercato-il-doppio-accordo-taider-schelotto-909792396.shtml 'The talks accelerated in the late afternoon yesterday. Taider had an interview "face to face" with Piero Help. The technical area manager explained to the Algerian Southampton is a great destination, good for show off as evidenced by the disposals of Saints of the last days. As well as Osvaldo, Taider also would go away with onerous loan redemption (7 million ransom for both). But if Taider does not accept the Southampton, are ready Lazio, Sassuolo and another club in the Premier League.' I remember when roma had to convince osvaldo to make the move here :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 (edited) errr aren't we doing the same this whole deal smacks of you take our useless **** and will take yours....... Absolutely, wish we'd just get it over with, Osvaldo is of no use to us as it is, no-one is going to buy him now so whatever it takes is acceptable, even Scheletto, if he's no good we won't play him and he'll cost less to maintain than an Osvaldo in a state of limbo. However apparently Taider is asking for a big wodge from us and no deal has yet been reached on that front. Edited 1 August, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 August, 2014 Share Posted 1 August, 2014 Molyneux and Smith were pre-takeover, which wasn't my point. Otsemobor, relative to where we were at the time (-10 in league one with no expectations of doing anything that season) was actually a decent signing. In that case, Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Forren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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