FarehamRed Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Difficult concept for a footballer...but he signed the contract, so he should be prepared to honor it. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 True, but you can't get a player involved in advanced negotiations for a transfer and then pull the plug (allegedly) for the sake of PR - it's just going to p!ss people off. .... Course you can, you can do what you want as a Club if you believe it to be of benefit for the club, shît happens - just like the pay rise you don't get 'cos the company didn't make the profit expected. What you going to do? You can't walk out as that would be breach of contract btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It's weird how the posters who have been most upset about the player sales now seem to think we should let Morgan walk because we already let some other leave? No what's weird is how a happy clapper doesn't get that saying NO now is far too late, the boards position is weak by the stance they have already taken with other player sales. Morgan will get his way, its just a game of bluff now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Maybe it's just me but I don't care if the club are being c unts to Morgan we've sold enough players time to put the foot down. Do you want Morgan sold yes or No? No saints fan want him sold i can just see why he would be annoyed about it all. He has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Yep but it's clear that he's done everything else behind the scenes and in the right way. We've left him no option. He's been here 6 years ffs, and we're denying him the chance to play at the top level and triple (or more) his wages. No sympathy with Lovren etc, but this is shoddy on our part. We haven't "left him no option" at all, ridiculous thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 no, I will also add that we should never have been incompetent to a level to make us an absolute mess you are asking these questions in a black or white and with no context of the whole summer, sort of way Why has Ross barkley not on the verge of a strike as he rejects city and signs a new contract at everton? So you are upset with the board for finally(it appears) doing what you wanted them to do all along? What has happened has happened the club can't change that. What is important is what happens in the next few weeks. If upsetting Morgan steadies the ship with regards to players leaving I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 So you do think we should sell Schneiderlin, fair enough. Why is he not getting respect? He's got a well paid contract that he was happy to sign and has the opportunity to grow and develop his career with the club - he's done as well out of the club as the club has done out of him. If the club and him reach an agreement for his sale then fine, if they don't he should get on with the job he s contracted to do. I do take that point for sure. I just feel that from his reaction, he was clearly not informed that the club was going to go public with the MS is absolutely not leaving line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Anyway surely him and Jay have to understand if they go we are pretty much ****ed !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It's hard for the club to be firm now when you consider they let Shaw, Lallana, Lovren and Chambers all get their own way. The road you are suggesting is not a great one. I appreciate everything may not be rosey at SFC but to keep on letting players go just because they want to is insanity - there will be no players at SFC and therefore no club. My only regret in all of this is that SFC didn't send and keep to the message earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 No what's weird is how a happy clapper doesn't get that saying NO now is far too late, the boards position is weak by the stance they have already taken with other player sales. Morgan will get his way, its just a game of bluff now. It's never too late, that's the point. The board can do and say as it pleases if it believes it benefits the club. Yes it is a game of bluff, absolutely, one that Morgan will have to play very carefully since right now, the Club hold all the aces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 All this this player deserves this, this play deserves that, they've been good to the club. Funny how this deserving and being good is only a one way thing. Just look at what would happen if a club decided to unilaterally scrap the contract of a player one year into a 4 year term because they changed their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Footballers are such spoilt prima donnas these days. ******s. All of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 meanwhile roos barkley turns down man city to sign a new contract at everton how on earth did they ever manage that? No bid from Man City might have helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 No saints fan want him sold i can just see why he would be annoyed about it all. He has a point. Shame for him, time for him to man-up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 All this this player deserves this, this play deserves that, they've been good to the club. Funny how this deserving and being good is only a one way thing. Just look at what would happen if a club decided to unilaterally scrap the contract of a player one year into a 4 year term because they changed their minds. Yep, if you sign a contract you cant be disillusioned when you're held to that contract even against your will. Its massively important for Saints to hold their nerve for now, even if after we sign 3-4 players we eventually let him get his own way. We cant be seen to potential signings to be making false promises in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 No saints fan want him sold i can just see why he would be annoyed about it all. He has a point. And so has the club hypo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 So everyone moans about us letting all our players go, but as soon as we tell one he's staying it's out of order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 So you are upset with the board for finally(it appears) doing what you wanted them to do all along? What has happened has happened the club can't change that. What is important is what happens in the next few weeks. If upsetting Morgan steadies the ship with regards to players leaving I can live with that. if you cant figure out that I have been upset since we rolled over and let lambert go, then I cant help you I dont know why you keep asking questions with obvious answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 He's denied himself by signing a contract extension last year. And at the top-level? We're talking Tottenham here. Or Arsenal. Or a host of other clubs. No-one's saying he has the legal right to move. It's just a shoddy way to treat him. The situation when he signed the contract was totally different to what we're facing now. Especially after we've let equally contracted mercenaries leave left right and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 No bid from Man City might have helped they hardly set out their stall that they are open for business, have they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Sorry, but I don't give two hoots about the CL and whether our players think that that is their natural place to be. If he thought that, then he shouldn't have signed that contract. Life's a ***** sometimes, but you have to live by the decisions and actions you make. It's one hell of a lot of decades since contracts meant anything in football. I can understand your stance with the first few departures this summer but the context of the rest of the summer needs to be taken into account here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpix2003 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Sod this I am off to the Winchester and going to wait for this to all blow over ? Any of you ****s want a pint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Of course this may be resolved by an offer we can't refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Maybe Ralph is the boardroom change Guan mentioned happening tomorow .......in which case words uttered today are irrelevant . It is with sadness that we have accepted the resignation of Ralph Kruegar , He did not speak yesterday with the permission of the board in any way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 God I ****ing hate footballers. They need to try living in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Quite a lot of fans of other clubs reacting to this by saying he has no class or respect, doubting his integrity and whether they would want him at their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 If Morgan wants CL football, why would he move to spuds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 That sounds like they'll let him go in the January window but he stays for now. That was my take on it. Morgan helps get a few points on the board while our (hopefully) new players get used to the PL then he goes in Jan. I just don't think the club can afford to let another play leave this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It's one hell of a lot of decades since contracts meant anything in football. I can understand your stance with the first few departures this summer but the context of the rest of the summer needs to be taken into account here. And when does the context end? When would you put your foot down given the context of this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Another footballer without integrity. Comes off as a spoilt child to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 The context of the rest of the summer needs to be taken into account here. It has been, by the bored & them seemingly putting their foot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Martin Lipton talking saints pure fantasy will spend anything close to £100m what sort of good player with the money they have 'supposedly' to spend with the players that have left will want to go their the unity and team spirit has been utterly destroyed such a shame what is happening to saints picking up cheaper players, develop them and even selling the odd one on for a top price is the right thing to do to do it whole sale in one window is madness and never done before. not done before for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Or Arsenal. Or a host of other clubs. No-one's saying he has the legal right to move. It's just a shoddy way to treat him. The situation when he signed the contract was totally different to what we're facing now. Especially after we've let equally contracted mercenaries leave left right and centre. So you mention him in the same breathe as mercenaries then conclude that it's Saints that are mistreating him? Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Why do we bother with football? Bunch of jumped up little sods. They have left us in a desperate position. I just can't see an end to it, it'll only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 So everyone moans about us letting all our players go, but as soon as we tell one he's staying it's out of order? Yep, that's pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Or Arsenal. Or a host of other clubs. No-one's saying he has the legal right to move. It's just a shoddy way to treat him. The situation when he signed the contract was totally different to what we're facing now. Especially after we've let equally contracted mercenaries leave left right and centre. Yeah this basically. I don't think I would feel that about any other player but Morgan has given us six years service and been a model professional. It's not like chambers who has been here for 25 games. Hopefully they can sort out some compromise like Guan said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I do take that point for sure. I just feel that from his reaction, he was clearly not informed that the club was going to go public with the MS is absolutely not leaving line. He most likely was informed(given he supposedly had a meeting today) and wasn't happy with their stance. The chairman making a public promise to fans takes it to another level, hence his snide tweet attack. Just hoping saints have guts to hold their nerve no matter how many toys he chucks from pram. Line in the sand needs to be held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It's never too late, that's the point. The board can do and say as it pleases if it believes it benefits the club. Yes it is a game of bluff, absolutely, one that Morgan will have to play very carefully since right now, the Club hold all the aces Complete Tosh. We threw our aces down the pan when we buckled over Lallana, Shaw, Lovren & Chambers within a couple of weeks. You may as well add Lambert to that... Ignore the PR bull sheeet "childhood dream, couldn't deny him a dream move blah blah blah". The club have messed up big time and going by Wreck It Ralph's interview he knows it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Not sure what the fuss is about. Pretty sure he's just had his world of warcraft account suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 they hardly set out their stall that they are open for business, have they LOL you just make stuff up as "fact" and then convince yourself it's true. Your latest one goes from roos barkley turns down man city to sign a new contract at everton To they hardly set out their stall that they are open for business, have they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 So you mention him in the same breathe as mercenaries then conclude that it's Saints that are mistreating him? Hmm. Yes. If you can't see the difference between the Lovren and the Schneiderlin situation you need to look harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It's one hell of a lot of decades since contracts meant anything in football. I can understand your stance with the first few departures this summer but the context of the rest of the summer needs to be taken into account here. That may be so, but a contract is a contract. He might get a nasty shock when he realises that they do actually mean something. (But in all honesty, I imagine he will be off). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 If it's been such an 'amazing journey' for him then why is he undermining the club in the public? C*nt. Err...because he wants to force a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 No what's weird is how a happy clapper doesn't get that saying NO now is far too late, the boards position is weak by the stance they have already taken with other player sales. Morgan will get his way, its just a game of bluff now. What a spineless comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Quite a lot of fans of other clubs reacting to this by saying he has no class or respect, doubting his integrity and whether they would want him at their club. Apart from spurs fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Course you can, you can do what you want as a Club if you believe it to be of benefit for the club, shît happens - just like the pay rise you don't get 'cos the company didn't make the profit expected. What you going to do? You can't walk out as that would be breach of contract btw. Don't think he'll walk out, but if Morgan is so key to the "core" that Krueger was talking about why do this without informing him it was happening? Like he's just going to sit there and say "Yeah, that's absolutely fine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 (edited) LOL you just make stuff up as "fact" and then convince yourself it's true. Your latest one goes from roos barkley turns down man city to sign a new contract at everton To they hardly set out their stall that they are open for business, have they martinez has said in the local press up there that city registered their interest. but from what I see/have read, they have not once come and and said players are free to go if they wanted. martinez even burst out laughing at a journo when asked about city being after barkley where as we come out and actually say the price we will sell out (in the case of morgan a week or so ago) Edited 29 July, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 He most likely was informed(given he supposedly had a meeting today) and wasn't happy with their stance. The chairman making a public promise to fans takes it to another level, hence his snide tweet attack. Just hoping saints have guts to hold their nerve no matter how many toys he chucks from pram. Line in the sand needs to be held. Yeah I reckon this. They probably told him he could leave in January maybe but he wasn't told that they were going to release all the info to the fans hence his annoyed tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 And when does the context end? When would you put your foot down given the context of this summer? You'd buy as you sold wouldn't you. Then you're in some kind of bargaining position with players coming in and out. That ship has sailed so venting hate at MS at this point seems unproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Yeah this basically. I don't think I would feel that about any other player but Morgan has given us six years service and been a model professional. It's not like chambers who has been here for 25 games. Hopefully they can sort out some compromise like Guan said. But the selling has to stop somewhere surely. Unfortunately for Morgan it's now and with him and J Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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