Charlie Wayman Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 No, it's about being able to defend your flank and stop the crosses. Attacking/assists and goals are bonuses. Shaw defended very well and was for the first half of the season, a key cog in the best defence in European football. I hate the constant belittling of players once they've left. Bertrand isn't as good as shaw, will never be as good as shaw..so there's no point really debating that. Which is an odd thing to say really as most of the goals against came from that side of the pitch with Shaw caught well forward and miles out of position. Making an all-time judgement based on one season of Shaw-hype and Bertrand not really being given a chance is very unwise. The truth is such simplistic A/B comparisons are no more than you opinion and stamping your feet and shouting about it doesn't change anything.
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Er... Should someone tell him what's happened since then? Wait and see what happens when Spurs 23 million £ bid comes in, they've got a bid (apparently) of roughly the same amount for Lamela. One in one out.
Beckenham Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Southampton's Morgan Schneiderlin will not be leaving the club, insists manager Ronald Koeman, despite the midfielder handing in a transfer request. The 20-year-old Frenchman has been linked with a move to join up with former Saints boss Mauricio Pochettino at Tottenham, with Spurs reported to be ready to pay £20million. Good to see that Sky Sports remain in control of all the facts ahead of publishing their articles online. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9402523/transfer-news-morgan-schneiderlin-stays-at-southampton-says-boss-ronald-koeman
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Good to see that Sky Sports remain in control of all the facts ahead of publishing their articles online. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9402523/transfer-news-morgan-schneiderlin-stays-at-southampton-says-boss-ronald-koeman sounds very reminiscent of what he said about Lovren.
Bucks Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Wait and see what happens when Spurs 23 million £ bid comes in, they've got a bid (apparently) of roughly the same amount for Lamela. One in one out. Lamela surely will not go for that much after the miserable season since joining Spurs. If he does then we should get £15m for Ossie no trouble
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Lamela surely will not go for that much after the miserable season since joining Spurs If you say so then, just a report that that's what Atletico Madrid have bid (converted from € to £ of course). We'll see.
Bucks Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Which is an odd thing to say really as most of the goals against came from that side of the pitch with Shaw caught well forward and miles out of position. Making an all-time judgement based on one season of Shaw-hype and Bertrand not really being given a chance is very unwise. The truth is such simplistic A/B comparisons are no more than you opinion and stamping your feet and shouting about it doesn't change anything. Agreed. For all his talent and potential, defensively Shaw is some way from the ideal, even if going forward he was excellent
Bucks Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 If you say so then, just a report that that's what Atletico Madrid have bid (converted from € to £ of course). We'll see. Fair enough if they can get that deal, but the Spurs faithful dont seem to think so http://www.thetottenhamway.com/2014/07/31/spurs-transfer-rumours-atletico-madrid-erik-lamela-1987/
Guided Missile Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Southampton manager Ronald Koeman reiterates Morgan Schneiderlin will not be leaving the club and has warned the midfielder of his conduct following his midweek outburst on Twitter.
farawaysaint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Southampton manager Ronald Koeman reiterates Morgan Schneiderlin will not be leaving the club and has warned the midfielder of his conduct following his midweek outburst on Twitter. Good, I hope he did it properly though so as not to further alienate Morgan.
JackanorySFC Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Agreed. For all his talent and potential, defensively Shaw is some way from the ideal, even if going forward he was excellent Rewriting of history there. Shaw's best attribute by a mile was his defensive work. His poor crossing was his biggest weakness, this is why I thought comparisons with Bale were miles off. No single winger got the better of him last season, never showed a shred of nerves, he won every 50/50 in the air and classily dispossessed players with far more experience than him on a weekly basis. An absolute beast of a full back defensively with huge potential going forward. This myth about him being poor positionally has been a complete invention since he left, don't know a single ST holder that thought that of him.
CB Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Southampton manager Ronald Koeman reiterates Morgan Schneiderlin will not be leaving the club and has warned the midfielder of his conduct following his midweek outburst on Twitter. Good, that is a "stop fecking about or I'll fine you" type message - tbf, it's exactly what these gits need
St Chalet Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Rewriting of history there. Shaw's best attribute by a mile was his defensive work. His poor crossing was his biggest weakness, this is why I thought comparisons with Bale were miles off. No single winger got the better of him last season, never showed a shred of nerves, he won every 50/50 in the air and classily dispossessed players with far more experience than him on a weekly basis. An absolute beast of a full back defensively with huge potential going forward. This myth about him being poor positionally has been a complete invention since he left, don't know a single ST holder that thought that of him. Positionally he made the odd error. Stoke at home springs to mind. 99% of the time his electric pace Baled him out (pun intended) and as a result, defensively he was / is superb.
Colinjb Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Rewriting of history there. Shaw's best attribute by a mile was his defensive work. His poor crossing was his biggest weakness, this is why I thought comparisons with Bale were miles off. No single winger got the better of him last season, never showed a shred of nerves, he won every 50/50 in the air and classily dispossessed players with far more experience than him on a weekly basis. An absolute beast of a full back defensively with huge potential going forward. This myth about him being poor positionally has been a complete invention since he left, don't know a single ST holder that thought that of him. He did have his moments after first coming into the side. Away at the Brittania in Christmas 2012 he looked shakey, constantly looking over his shoulder and being caught out once or twice. He did learn quickly though,
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 (edited) Rewriting of history there. Shaw's best attribute by a mile was his defensive work. His poor crossing was his biggest weakness, this is why I thought comparisons with Bale were miles off. No single winger got the better of him last season, never showed a shred of nerves, he won every 50/50 in the air and classily dispossessed players with far more experience than him on a weekly basis. An absolute beast of a full back defensively with huge potential going forward. This myth about him being poor positionally has been a complete invention since he left, don't know a single ST holder that thought that of him. Er... hello? I have said this before more than once. He (Shaw) has great promise but a lot to learn. Edited 1 August, 2014 by Whitey Grandad
ART Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Can people going off topic please use names not just posting HE, THEY etc.. I came on here to read about Morgan but it's moved way off topic and there's more on Shaw over the past couple of days. Often, it's impossible to know who people are talking about or referring to.
Wurzel Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Which is an odd thing to say really as most of the goals against came from that side of the pitch with Shaw caught well forward and miles out of position. Making an all-time judgement based on one season of Shaw-hype and Bertrand not really being given a chance is very unwise. The truth is such simplistic A/B comparisons are no more than you opinion and stamping your feet and shouting about it doesn't change anything. As I said on another thread Think he is naturally stocky built but re the 2nd point was I the only one asking myself so where's Shaw?" at many of the goals we conceded last season, only to see him on the replay reaching our 18 yard line as the ball went in. Glad to see I'm wasn't the only one then, even though it may be just the two of us.
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Can people going off topic please use names not just posting HE, THEY etc.. I came on here to read about Morgan but it's moved way off topic and there's more on Shaw over the past couple of days. Often, it's impossible to know who people are talking about or referring to. Fair point, fairly taken.
Saint IQ Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Around midday today Morgans agents were at St Mary's expecting to find out and discuss which bid had been accepted by the club for him. you can imagine his surprise at the statements made by our chairman a few hours later. He has been lied to by the club and promises that were made to him and have now been broken. IMO i still think he we go (has a club ever kept a player who didnt wish to stay?), and the worst possible thing Krueger could have said. Are we now gonna have a player go on strike? i personally think its best we let any who don't want to be here go. The club are scared after the fans reaction to the Chambers sale and are now trying to placate the fans by blocking Morgans promised transfer. Why did they blooming sell him then! Would of been far easier to block a 19 year old going with 22 PL appearances than a loyal servant that has been here 6 years and was promised a move! hmmm Board really are pretty crap at employee relationship management aren't they
Chez Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Rewriting of history there. Shaw's best attribute by a mile was his defensive work. His poor crossing was his biggest weakness, this is why I thought comparisons with Bale were miles off. No single winger got the better of him last season, never showed a shred of nerves, he won every 50/50 in the air and classily dispossessed players with far more experience than him on a weekly basis. An absolute beast of a full back defensively with huge potential going forward. This myth about him being poor positionally has been a complete invention since he left, don't know a single ST holder that thought that of him. agreed. Absolute beast of a defender. A good example of that was when he had a very good Janujaz in his pocket on the last day of the season. On that day Janujaz looked like he'd take a lessor left back to pieces. On most occasions the wingers seemed to be beaten before they began, often passing square rather than to try and fail to take him on. I think the only criticism you could level at the lad was that on the odd occasion he was a tad slow/casual to get back into position, but that was only ever after a longish run down the line. And with the formation and tactics as they were, it was the responsibility of the likes of Morgan, Cork and Wanyama to fill in anyway. Watch us create **** all next season without his barnstorming runs, but still concede goals. As I have said all along, losing Shaw will be massive at both ends of the pitch. Only now it will be less obvious because we have lost talent all over the place. I also bet that he scores half a dozen goals this season. His shooting looks good, all be it without any joy with us, but that was coming and once he gets one I think he'll score goals regularly. sadly.
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Why did they blooming sell him then! Would of been far easier to block a 19 year old going with 22 PL appearances than a loyal servant that has been here 6 years and was promised a move! hmmm Board really are pretty crap at employee relationship management aren't they 2 theories have been proposed. 1) they couldn't stop him because of some contractual arrangement. 2) Koeman thought it good business and wanted it to happen. Which of these is nearer the truth who knows, maybe neither and there's another reason. Whatever it may be the Morgan affair is not over..
doddisalegend Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 agreed. Absolute beast of a defender. A good example of that was when he had a very good Janujaz in his pocket on the last day of the season. On that day Janujaz looked like he'd take a lessor left back to pieces. On most occasions the wingers seemed to be beaten before they began, often passing square rather than to try and fail to take him on. I think the only criticism you could level at the lad was that on the odd occasion he was a tad slow/casual to get back into position, but that was only ever after a longish run down the line. And with the formation and tactics as they were, it was the responsibility of the likes of Morgan, Cork and Wanyama to fill in anyway. Watch us create **** all next season without his barnstorming runs, but still concede goals. As I have said all along, losing Shaw will be massive at both ends of the pitch. Only now it will be less obvious because we have lost talent all over the place. I also bet that he scores half a dozen goals this season. His shooting looks good, all be it without any joy with us, but that was coming and once he gets one I think he'll score goals regularly. sadly. I think Shaw was the dogs danglies as a defender but I still think his attacking runs lacked a final ball. Anyone have any idea how many assists Shaw got last season?
Trout-Tickler Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 I think Shaw was the dogs danglies as a defender but I still think his attacking runs lacked a final ball. Anyone have any idea how many assists Shaw got last season? Think he had 1 assist, not certain though.
shirleysfc Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Think he had 1 assist, not certain though. Yep, for Fonte's header against Arsenal wasn't it?
simo Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Er... hello? I have said this before more than once. He (Shaw) has great promise but a lot to learn. Yeh i picked out the same flaw the Van Gaal did !
doddisalegend Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Think he had 1 assist, not certain though. Yep, for Fonte's header against Arsenal wasn't it? Kind of backs up my feeling then he made some great attacking runs but they didn't actually come to much.
Bearsy Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Yeh i picked out the same flaw the Van Gaal did ! Fat arse?
simo Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Fat arse? Lazy getting back after an excursion past the halfway line!
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Good, I hope he did it properly though so as not to further alienate Morgan. Yeah - would hate a telling off like that to get in the public domain :/
CB Saint Posted 1 August, 2014 Posted 1 August, 2014 Good, I hope he did it properly though so as not to further alienate Morgan. as with dejan, "Tweet one more thing and I will schtick that phone up your arsch"
SaintRobbie Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 Koeman now stating Morgan going no-where. There is a slim glimmer of hope he will stay after all??? I don't trust a word Krueger says.
SaintRichmond Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 Koeman now stating Morgan going no-where. There is a slim glimmer of hope he will stay after all??? I don't trust a word Krueger says. It does make you laugh though SFC don't even offer a whimper as FIVE 1st Team players depart, but when news of Fans reactions reach Ralph in Ice Hockey land, he issues a "Get Tough" re Schneiderlin, saying he won't be sold ( this week ) Now, if SFC had done that BEFORE the Five went, I could understand it, but what Kreuger has ensured now is that we have a very unhappy bunny being refused a move ( this week ) Well done for creating Harmony Ralph
whelk Posted 2 August, 2014 Author Posted 2 August, 2014 It does make you laugh though SFC don't even offer a whimper as FIVE 1st Team players depart, but when news of Fans reactions reach Ralph in Ice Hockey land, he issues a "Get Tough" re Schneiderlin, saying he won't be sold ( this week ) Now, if SFC had done that BEFORE the Five went, I could understand it, but what Kreuger has ensured now is that we have a very unhappy bunny being refused a move ( this week ) Well done for creating Harmony Ralph I didn't think anything made you laugh you sad miserable pr1ck.
Goatboy Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 I didn't think anything made you laugh you sad miserable pr1ck.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 I think Shaw was the dogs danglies as a defender but I still think his attacking runs lacked a final ball. Anyone have any idea how many assists Shaw got last season? This However its clear he will get there in the attacking sense, more shots on goal and more dribbles then any other PL lb last year. He isnt the complete package yet but he certainly will be. Still, we didnt have much of a chance keeping him. Unlike the other 3 he is/will be world class
hypochondriac Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 This However its clear he will get there in the attacking sense, more shots on goal and more dribbles then any other PL lb last year. He isnt the complete package yet but he certainly will be. Still, we didnt have much of a chance keeping him. Unlike the other 3 he is/will be world class Indeed. His fee was fully justified unlike some of the others.
SaintRobbie Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 It does make you laugh though SFC don't even offer a whimper as FIVE 1st Team players depart, but when news of Fans reactions reach Ralph in Ice Hockey land, he issues a "Get Tough" re Schneiderlin, saying he won't be sold ( this week ) Now, if SFC had done that BEFORE the Five went, I could understand it, but what Kreuger has ensured now is that we have a very unhappy bunny being refused a move ( this week ) Well done for creating Harmony Ralph Completely concur.
S-Clarke Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 Completely concur. I think you need to take a few weeks off of here if you concur with Richmond. You're a bit of an emotional mess right now..!
SaintRobbie Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 sounds very reminiscent of what he said about Lovren. Good point.
SaintRobbie Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 I think you need to take a few weeks off of here if you concur with Richmond. You're a bit of an emotional mess right now..! lol! I've been agreeing a lot with you too though Clarkey!
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 August, 2014 Posted 2 August, 2014 It does make you laugh though SFC don't even offer a whimper as FIVE 1st Team players depart, but when news of Fans reactions reach Ralph in Ice Hockey land, he issues a "Get Tough" re Schneiderlin, saying he won't be sold ( this week ) Now, if SFC had done that BEFORE the Five went, I could understand it, but what Kreuger has ensured now is that we have a very unhappy bunny being refused a move ( this week ) Well done for creating Harmony Ralph If they did what you suggest, you would create a first team with 6 unhappy bunnies. Well done Richmond , great harmony.
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