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angelman

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I just cannot see why Poch would leave Spurs this summer for united?!

 

Spurs have done really well this season, might actually win it. A new stadium is on the horizon. But Spurs are Spurs and Man Utd are Man Utd. If you can't see why, then a trip to Specsavers is needed

 

People say it is a topsy turvy season, but is it? Finishing positions are likely to be LCFC, THFC, AFC/MCFC, MUFC/LFC, WHU, SFC. So of course you have the freak of Leicester, Spurs doing better than usual and Chelsea being absent. But the top 6 has a depressing familiarity about it (obv as mentioned Leicester/Chelsea). It will no doubt be back to normal next season. That means that the them and us status quo will be restored. The them and us. We will be (hopefully) fighting at the top of the "us" trying to bridge the gap to the "thems" and emulate LCFC. Spurs will be back in the "them" pond of big boys (or rather the big boys will be back in the pond), and while they think that they are big, they are the smallest of the big boys. They don't like to think that they are, but they have always been delusional. In fact, given their new stadium WHU might be joining Spurs sat the bottom of the "them" pond.

 

Man Utd are the apex predator. Forget the LvG/Moyes time, as that is not representative. Look around Europe at the big clubs. Bayern, Real, Barca, Man Utd and that (subjectively) is that. The next tier is Dortmund, Juve, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, PSG, Atletico, Milan etc etc and then below that are the likes of Spurs.

 

So why move? Because Man Utd is a much much bigger club than Spurs. Always has, always will be.

angelman

angelman

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Poch is also being tipped to coach Real Madrid in the future after transforming Tottenham from Europa League regulars to Premier League contenders in under two seasons.

 

regulars?

 

Absolutely they are regulars.

 

In the past ten seasons 05/06 > 14/15 they have qualified for Europa League 8 times, the Champions League once and failed to qualify for Europe once. That's pretty regular to me.

Batman

Batman

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Spurs have done really well this season, might actually win it. A new stadium is on the horizon. But Spurs are Spurs and Man Utd are Man Utd. If you can't see why, then a trip to Specsavers is needed

People say it is a topsy turvy season, but is it? Finishing positions are likely to be LCFC, THFC, AFC/MCFC, MUFC/LFC, WHU, SFC. So of course you have the freak of Leicester, Spurs doing better than usual and Chelsea being absent. But the top 6 has a depressing familiarity about it (obv as mentioned Leicester/Chelsea). It will no doubt be back to normal next season. That means that the them and us status quo will be restored. The them and us. We will be (hopefully) fighting at the top of the "us" trying to bridge the gap to the "thems" and emulate LCFC. Spurs will be back in the "them" pond of big boys (or rather the big boys will be back in the pond), and while they think that they are big, they are the smallest of the big boys. They don't like to think that they are, but they have always been delusional. In fact, given their new stadium WHU might be joining Spurs sat the bottom of the "them" pond.

 

Man Utd are the apex predator. Forget the LvG/Moyes time, as that is not representative. Look around Europe at the big clubs. Bayern, Real, Barca, Man Utd and that (subjectively) is that. The next tier is Dortmund, Juve, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, PSG, Atletico, Milan etc etc and then below that are the likes of Spurs.

 

So why move? Because Man Utd is a much much bigger club than Spurs. Always has, always will be.

 

this summer was my point. He has a brilliant side with a group of excellent players and will now ply his trade in the champions league next season

he is not going to leave spurs just yet for united

angelman

angelman

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This summer there might be an opening. Next summer there might not be. You hang around and pass up opportunities, and opportunities will pass you by. If Man Utd don't get in CL this season it costs them something like £40-50m. If they don't next season it will be the same. They might not be able to afford that, so might be prepared to lavish money on MP.

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The9

The9

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Spurs have done really well this season, might actually win it. A new stadium is on the horizon. But Spurs are Spurs and Man Utd are Man Utd. If you can't see why, then a trip to Specsavers is needed

 

People say it is a topsy turvy season, but is it? Finishing positions are likely to be LCFC, THFC, AFC/MCFC, MUFC/LFC, WHU, SFC. So of course you have the freak of Leicester, Spurs doing better than usual and Chelsea being absent. But the top 6 has a depressing familiarity about it (obv as mentioned Leicester/Chelsea). It will no doubt be back to normal next season. That means that the them and us status quo will be restored. The them and us. We will be (hopefully) fighting at the top of the "us" trying to bridge the gap to the "thems" and emulate LCFC. Spurs will be back in the "them" pond of big boys (or rather the big boys will be back in the pond), and while they think that they are big, they are the smallest of the big boys. They don't like to think that they are, but they have always been delusional. In fact, given their new stadium WHU might be joining Spurs sat the bottom of the "them" pond.

 

Man Utd are the apex predator. Forget the LvG/Moyes time, as that is not representative. Look around Europe at the big clubs. Bayern, Real, Barca, Man Utd and that (subjectively) is that. The next tier is Dortmund, Juve, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, PSG, Atletico, Milan etc etc and then below that are the likes of Spurs.

 

So why move? Because Man Utd is a much much bigger club than Spurs. Always has, always will be.

 

I think you underestimate how much of a change the new money is going to bring. The gap between the haves and have nots is significantly reduced, and everyone's FFP thresholds will be much higher, reducing the impact that "having much more money" can deliver.

 

There's also the question whether Man City and Chelsea's lack of performances this season have shown that signing the "best" players doesn't guarantee their motivation any more, and whether there's now a level of income beyond which some of the more entitled players don't think they need to deliver.

 

Man U have a bigger ground and more titles in their past, and a much bigger fanbase. But Spurs have done better than them this season, can match anything United want to pay if they choose to, and the United set up is a bit of a basket case at the moment - Pochettino has things exactly how he wants them at Spurs and has barely had the chance to deliver success yet, I think it's unlikely he'd leave this summer.

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The9

The9

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Also, there's this: http://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/ - Saints and the rest of the Prem are in the next 20. Man U aren't top, and everyone else in the Prem getting an extra £90-£100m reduces the significance of the gap.

 

Rank

Team
[b]Current Value ($mil)[/b]
1-Yr Value Change (%)
Debt/Value(%)
Revenue ($mil)
Operating Income ($mil)


1 Real Madrid  [b]3,263[/b] -5 4 746 170 
2 Barcelona [b]3,163 [/b]-1 3 657 174 
3 Manchester United [b]3,104 [/b]10 20 703 211 
4 Bayern Munich  [b]2,347 [/b]27 0 661 78 
5 Manchester City  [b]1,375 [/b]59 0 562 122 
6 Chelsea  [b]1,370 [/b]58 0 526 83 
7 Arsenal  [b]1,307 [/b]-2 30 487 101 
8 Liverpool  [b]982[/b] 42 10 415 86 
9 Juventus  [b]837[/b] -2 9 379 50 
10 AC Milan  [b]775[/b] -10 44 339 54 
11 Bor. Dortmund [b] 700 [/b]17 6 355 55 
12 PSG [b] 634 [/b]53 0 643 -1 
13 Spurs  [b]600[/b] 17 9 293 63 
14 Schalke  [b]572[/b] -1 0 290 57 
15 Inter  [b]439[/b] -9 56 222 -41 
16 Atl. Madrid  [b]436[/b] 33 53 231 47 
17 Napoli  [b]353[/b] 19 0 224 43 
18 Newcastle [b]349[/b] 33 0 210 44 
19 West Ham [b]309[/b] 33 12 186 54 
20 Galatasaray [b]294[/b] -15 17 220 -37

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The9

The9

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This summer there might be an opening. Next summer there might not be. You hang around and pass up opportunities, and opportunities will pass you by. If Man Utd don't get in CL this season it costs them something like £40-50m. If they don't next season it will be the same. They might not be able to afford that, so might be prepared to lavish money on MP.

 

And Spurs will be able to match any offer.

The9

The9

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PS For the sake of an MLG moment, I'd say Spurs were probably the bigger club from the early 1920s until the mid 1930s... :D

 

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angelman

angelman

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And Spurs will be able to match any offer.

 

If Man Utd really wanted to, then Spurs would have no chance keeping up with them. From your Forbes bit

 

Man Utd

Revenue @ $703m

Operating Income @ $211m

 

Spurs

Revenue @ $293m

Operating Income @ $63m

 

Add $100-150, to both clubs, and Man Utd are still much much bigger. That's not to say that Spurs are in any way a small team. As I said they are a big team, but it's just the case that in England there are a few big teams bigger than them. 6 in the top 13. Spain has 2 in the top 13, Germany has 2, Italy has 2 and France have PSG. Adding $100-150m to Spurs will certainly move them up the table against others in the Forbes list, but not against Man Utd or the other 4 English clubs.

egg

egg

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If Man Utd really wanted to, then Spurs would have no chance keeping up with them. From your Forbes bit

 

Man Utd

Revenue @ $703m

Operating Income @ $211m

 

Spurs

Revenue @ $293m

Operating Income @ $63m

 

Add $100-150, to both clubs, and Man Utd are still much much bigger. That's not to say that Spurs are in any way a small team. As I said they are a big team, but it's just the case that in England there are a few big teams bigger than them. 6 in the top 13. Spain has 2 in the top 13, Germany has 2, Italy has 2 and France have PSG. Adding $100-150m to Spurs will certainly move them up the table against others in the Forbes list, but not against Man Utd or the other 4 English clubs.

 

Man Utd have more wealth but look at the ffp caps. Spurs can pretty much pay what they want. They're a smaller club but if they win the league they'll have the clout to pull in the big boys.

whelk

whelk

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Man Utd have more wealth but look at the ffp caps. Spurs can pretty much pay what they want. They're a smaller club but if they win the league they'll have the clout to pull in the big boys.

 

The FFP seem to have evaporated from what I see, UTD are massive and will be richest club in the world next year. To say Spurs can compete financially is not true esp with their new stadium move. Not to say they won't hang on and improve on what they got as lure not what it was for players And it rains a lot in Manchester.

The9

The9

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The FFP seem to have evaporated from what I see, UTD are massive and will be richest club in the world next year. To say Spurs can compete financially is not true esp with their new stadium move. Not to say they won't hang on and improve on what they got as lure not what it was for players And it rains a lot in Manchester.

 

There will still be FFP caps, the point is that the rules allow for the extra income for everyone, but (even though the top sides still have a higher upside) the difference between bottom and top is reduced overall, and also the likelihood of only those few top sides being able to sign the best players on massive wages is reduced - the bar has been lowered and unless the likes of City start signing players they literally don't even name in their eligible squads, other Prem sides will be able to afford more of the best of the rest rather than them necessarily playing for the likes of Dortmund, the Milan clubs, Juventus, Atletico, Athletic etc. You'll be left with only Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and probably PSG with the money to compete for players with middling Prem clubs.

 

Looking at how Leicester have done this season, you can also see that the gap from bottom to top is already closing where sides have taken a competitive advantage in recruiting untapped potential as opposed to just buying the most expensive players, and also where some name players are in unfashionable places (Shaqiri most obviously). Yes they've had a run of good fortune in having their limited squad of players available, but they've still got eleven players proving they are as effective at winning matches as anything City or Chelsea have bought.

angelman

angelman

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This puts a bit of a different slant on it...http://www.insidefutbol.com/2016/04/26/i-have-to-spurs-boss-mauricio-pochettino-reveals-why-he-must-watch-ligue-1-games/282853/

nta786

nta786

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Well, Liverpool in the Europa League final and Lallana gets the third goal tonight.

 

Hope them cvnts lose the final, unless it hinges on us getting a place in Europe, in which case will have to support them :(

Fair enough to Klopp, not many would have expected them to get to the final!

Shroppie

Shroppie

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Pretty well all of my hatred of Liverpool evaporated when Klopp was appointed. Great character and clearly getting the best out of the players.

 

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Badger

Badger

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Pretty well all of my hatred of Liverpool evaporated when Klopp was appointed. Great character and clearly getting the best out of the players.

 

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Agree - different club without Brendan, and after Klopp was appointed.

 

Be interesting when Klopp starts putting his own team together, which will probably see Lallana slipping down the scales to Stoke or such like.

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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Well, Liverpool in the Europa League final and Lallana gets the third goal tonight.

 

Hope them cvnts lose the final, unless it hinges on us getting a place in Europe, in which case will have to support them :(

Fair enough to Klopp, not many would have expected them to get to the final!

You don't have to support them. Them winning the final will neither hinder nor help us get into EL. Utd in the FA cup is a different matter.

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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You don't have to support them. Them winning the final will neither hinder nor help us get into EL. Utd in the FA cup is a different matter.

 

We'd never hear the end of it. I had enough trouble keeping down the vomit over tonight's commentary.

ENSKIED

ENSKIED

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Lovren in the last EL round scores winner against Dortmund. Last night Lallana scores winner against Villareal - all else aside and purely considering matters in monetary terms, they have probably paid back a huge chunk of that £45 mill they cost. Modern football folks. Clyne to score the winner in the Final?

Picard

Picard

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Lovren in the last EL round scores winner against Dortmund. Last night Lallana scores winner against Villareal - all else aside and purely considering matters in monetary terms, they have probably paid back a huge chunk of that £45 mill they cost. Modern football folks. Clyne to score the winner in the Final?

 

I think you will find Sturridge scored the winner. Lallana got the one where you said "Phew! Now Villareal need to score 2".

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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We'd never hear the end of it. I had enough trouble keeping down the vomit over tonight's commentary.

 

I don't think I could bare to watch. I've already had to read about, "one of those great European nights at Anfield," on Facebook, not to mention photos of some fans sat on scaffolding and a flare on the pitch, thus proving them to be the best fans in the Premier League.

ENSKIED

ENSKIED

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I think you will find Sturridge scored the winner. Lallana got the one where you said "Phew! Now Villareal need to score 2".

Yes I know . . . . . . literary licence to make the monetary point.

OldNick

OldNick

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We'd never hear the end of it. I had enough trouble keeping down the vomit over tonight's commentary.
well at least you kept your vomit down!!! watching Mcmanaman and co is galling at best. Why the TV programmes is full of Liverpool fans amazes me. I suppose it saves having marches, enquiries and minutes silences in protests
ENSKIED

ENSKIED

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well at least you kept your vomit down!!! watching Mcmanaman and co is galling at best. Why the TV programmes is full of Liverpool fans amazes me. I suppose it saves having marches, enquiries and minutes silences in protests

McManaman is an Everton supporter [his family are all die hard Everton supporters] who happened to play for Liverpool and is now making pocket money as a Liverpool "expert" - nice work when you can get it. The rest of your post is a mixture of toxicity and stupidity concerning matters that transcend football and affects all club supporters - indeed the country and its establishment as a whole. Obviously it would have suited your mentality that the City of Liverpool and its inhabitants should have been forever tainted by a Police cover up and their consummate lies; to then acquiesce in the face of the authorities denial and 27 years of constant attempts to bury the truth under a mountain of double speak and deceit. Tell us which spirit made Britain great what your response implies or what the people of Liverpool actually did?

Batman

Batman

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McManaman is an Everton supporter [his family are all die hard Everton supporters] who happened to play for Liverpool and is now making pocket money as a Liverpool "expert" - nice work when you can get it. The rest of your post is a mixture of toxicity and stupidity concerning matters that transcend football and affects all club supporters - indeed the country and its establishment as a whole. Obviously it would have suited your mentality that the City of Liverpool and its inhabitants should have been forever tainted by a Police cover up and their consummate lies; to then acquiesce in the face of the authorities denial and 27 years of constant attempts to bury the truth under a mountain of double speak and deceit. Tell us which spirit made Britain great what your response implies or what the people of Liverpool actually did?

 

im just bored of hearing how 'special' everything is about Liverpool FC. on every single sporting programme. SKY, BT, BBC, Podcasts...the list is endless

eelpie

eelpie

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No, ratfink is the Saints' Piñata for the rest of his career. His cockiness and reactions when playing us suggests the feeling is mutual, the only way out for him is when he drops down to the Championship in a couple of years where cuddles are few and far between...

 

Your bitterness is eating you up

DuncanRG

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That's an interesting one - I expect he'll want to go wherever he feels the manager most believes in him and can convince him that he'll play. Tough to pick between the two at the moment as Klopp has largely stuck with him since his arrival, but he may want his own men in next year. Adding Lallana would give Spurs a really formidable selection of attacking mids (Eriksen/Lamela/Lallana/Son/Alli/Chadli).

Batman

Batman

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"Everything is different at Manchester United. A good match at Southampton is perhaps seen as bad at Manchester."

 

- Schneiderlin

 

at the end of the day, it is all about money. He would be a cert for the Euro's (whilst being ridiculously rich) had he remained at saints. But united will have no doubt, paid him and even more ridiculous salary

 

Be interesting how Leicester players spin it. they cant say they want to leave for 'champions league' if bids are coming in for them

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Just seen this on Twitter:

 

Photos: Sir Alex Ferguson and Mauricio Pochettino had a 'secret' meeting today [sun]

CiHF-muXEAATnKy.jpg

 

Imagine the meltdown if that was Koeman.

 

Then double it.

Chalkboy

Chalkboy

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Just seen this on Twitter:

 

Photos: Sir Alex Ferguson and Mauricio Pochettino had a 'secret' meeting today [sun]

CiHF-muXEAATnKy.jpg

 

Who is the little chap next to Poch? One of his coaching staff isn't it?

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Who is the little chap next to Poch? One of his coaching staff isn't it?

 

Looks like Jesus, yeah. Maybe it's just a manger to ex manager chat? Or does Fergie still have a 'proper' say at the higher echelons at Utd?

 

He hasn't actually signed the deal he spoke about, which does make you wonder.

Chalkboy

Chalkboy

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Looks like Jesus, yeah. Maybe it's just a manger to ex manager chat? Or does Fergie still have a 'proper' say at the higher echelons at Utd?

 

He hasn't actually signed the deal he spoke about, which does make you wonder.

 

Ah, Jesus Perez, that's it. Sure it's all innocent of course :suspicious:

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Ah, Jesus Perez, that's it. Sure it's all innocent of course :suspicious:

 

There are some nice little chats on the spurs forums, reminds me of how we felt when he was touting himself around at the end of his time here.

 

A sweet little bit of karma may be on the way.

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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Looks like Jesus, yeah. Maybe it's just a manger to ex manager chat? Or does Fergie still have a 'proper' say at the higher echelons at Utd?

 

He hasn't actually signed the deal he spoke about, which does make you wonder.

 

Is Ferguson on the board? Not sure what capacity - very odd situation.

Verbal Kint

Verbal Kint

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Looks like Jesus, yeah. Maybe it's just a manger to ex manager chat? Or does Fergie still have a 'proper' say at the higher echelons at Utd?

 

He hasn't actually signed the deal he spoke about, which does make you wonder.

 

We know first hand just what a snake MP is. New contract or not, he'd walk over broken glass to get the United job

Delmary

Delmary

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There are some nice little chats on the spurs forums, reminds me of how we felt when he was touting himself around at the end of his time here.

 

A sweet little bit of karma may be on the way.

 

Plus some brainwashing of Spud's best players. Should be a fun summer.

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