SuperMikey Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Keeper didn't actually touch Rooney there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Shrek dives, wins pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 (edited) Shrek dives, wins pen. Martin Keown: "he has to dive to get out of the way, definite pen" . Edited 16 February, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Keown, ffs Rooney had to dive to get out of the way of the keeper. LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Shaw have any clean sheets or assists yet ? Tbh I was expect ring him to kick on this season I know he's had his injuries but their right back wasn't overly troubled ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Roy hodgson backs Rooneys dive... Saying he had to take "evasive action" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Shaw have any clean sheets or assists yet ? Tbh I was expect ring him to kick on this season I know he's had his injuries but their right back wasn't overly troubled ! Did he ever even get an assist for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Did he ever even get an assist for us? A deflected cross for punch (chelsea away) and one for fonte (arsenal home); but think that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 He wasn't prolific but I think he's been handled badly by Van Gaal this season but that could be said for the whole club tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 I've just googled this, and unfortunately the rule change (FA cup runners up not getting a Europa spot) only becomes effective next season (2015-16). Sorry chaps. Surely that refers to next season's Europa League competition. This season's Cup runners-up don't qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Surely that refers to next season's Europa League competition. This season's Cup runners-up don't qualify. Pretty sure that is the case - the format changes to the EL take place next season but apply to the FA cup runners up this season who won't qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 A deflected cross for punch (chelsea away) and one for fonte (arsenal home); but think that's about it. £15m per assist then. Good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Pretty sure that is the case - the format changes to the EL take place next season but apply to the FA cup runners up this season who won't qualify. To clarify, is it irrelevant whether the FA cup winners finish in a CL place or a Europa League place - another league spot will be freed up? (my understanding is that last season, Arsenal, having won the FA cup cup, had to finish outside the top 4 for the 7th place team to get the Europa spot at the expense of Hull). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Also what happens if Chelsea win the league cup? Do spurs qualify for Europe anyway as runners up or does the place of to the 6th place team in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 To clarify, is it irrelevant whether the FA cup winners finish in a CL place or a Europa League place - another league spot will be freed up? (my understanding is that last season, Arsenal, having won the FA cup cup, had to finish outside the top 4 for the 7th place team to get the Europa spot at the expense of Hull). I'm out of my depth here. I'm going on a) stuff people on here said a couple of weeks ago. b) Cursory look on Wikipedia. I wouldn't say it is an extra league spot because there is still one place allocated to the FA Cup, but you've got to win it to get it. In practice does mean fewer Hulls and Millwalls and more 6th/7th placed teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Also what happens if Chelsea win the league cup? Do spurs qualify for Europe anyway as runners up or does the place of to the 6th place team in the league? Yeh that was my follow-up question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Also what happens if Chelsea win the league cup? Do spurs qualify for Europe anyway as runners up or does the place of to the 6th place team in the league? The LC runners up never got anything before, no change. I know that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 The LC runners up never got anything before, no change. I know that one. Okay so we want Chelsea to win the league cup and an arsenal/Man United v Liverpool FA cup final. Painful, but would mean we'd only need to finish 7th for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 [h=3]European qualification[edit][/h]The FA Cup winners qualify for the following season's UEFA Europa League (formerly named the UEFA Cup; until 1998 they entered the Cup Winners' Cup instead). This European place applies even if the team is relegated or is not in the English top flight. However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. FA Cup winners enter the Europa League at the Group Stage. Losing finalists, if they enter the Europa League, must begin earlier, at the play-off or Q3 stage.[11] From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition.[12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 16 February, 2015 Share Posted 16 February, 2015 Thank fk that's clarified. None the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 £15m per assist then. Good business. Fairly sure Lambert or Ramirez had the assist for the Chelsea one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 Thank fk that's clarified. None the wiser. This year the runner up gets into Europe ONLY if the winner has qualified for the Champions League (not Europa). Next year, the runner up can't qualify for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 Fairly sure Lambert or Ramirez had the assist for the Chelsea one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7OKcGyJbSE I think Gaston would be pretty happy to get credited with the assist for that one! It lightly brushes his shin on its way through to Punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 This year the runner up gets into Europe ONLY if the winner has qualified for the Champions League (not Europa). Next year, the runner up can't qualify for Europe. Can you provide a link for this information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 This year the runner up gets into Europe ONLY if the winner has qualified for the Champions League (not Europa). Next year, the runner up can't qualify for Europe. The first bit has always been the case - the FA Cup provides one Europa League spot, not two, so if a 5th/6th place team win the FA Cup, their EL place actually comes from their cup win not their league place. The runner up gets it only if the FA Cup winner qualifies for the higher competition. And pretty sure you're still confused about this year/next year. The new rules apply to next season's European competitions, which impact the winners/runners up of this season's domestic cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7OKcGyJbSE I think Gaston would be pretty happy to get credited with the assist for that one! It lightly brushes his shin on its way through to Punch. It's still Gaston's assist, he was last to touch the ball and he did change the flight of the ball, not much, but he did. Shaw "assisted the assister", to use some fantasy football speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 17 February, 2015 Share Posted 17 February, 2015 The first bit has always been the case - the FA Cup provides one Europa League spot, not two, so if a 5th/6th place team win the FA Cup, their EL place actually comes from their cup win not their league place. The runner up gets it only if the FA Cup winner qualifies for the higher competition. And pretty sure you're still confused about this year/next year. The new rules apply to next season's European competitions, which impact the winners/runners up of this season's domestic cups. That was my understanding as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 19 February, 2015 Share Posted 19 February, 2015 Against Besiktas 68 min: Dejan Lovren’s first contribution is to pick up a booking for a late one on Sahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 Can you provide a link for this information? This could be wrong (they claim the change is next season). If so, who will volunteer to correct it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup European qualification[edit] The FA Cup winners qualify for the following season's UEFA Europa League (formerly named the UEFA Cup; until 1998 they entered the Cup Winners' Cup instead). This European place applies even if the team is relegated or is not in the English top flight. However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. FA Cup winners enter the Europa League at the Group Stage. Losing finalists, if they enter the Europa League, must begin earlier, at the play-off or Q3 stage.[11] From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition.[12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 (edited) This could be wrong (they claim the change is next season). If so, who will volunteer to correct it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup European qualification[edit] The FA Cup winners qualify for the following season's UEFA Europa League (formerly named the UEFA Cup; until 1998 they entered the Cup Winners' Cup instead). This European place applies even if the team is relegated or is not in the English top flight. However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. FA Cup winners enter the Europa League at the Group Stage. Losing finalists, if they enter the Europa League, must begin earlier, at the play-off or Q3 stage.[11] From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition.[12] It is a question of interpretation. I read what you quoted to say that runners up will not qualify to play in the 2015-2016 Europa League. You read it to say that runners up in the 2015-2016 season will not qualify for the Europa League. Even though it was not my initial interpretation I agree that your interpretation is possible. Parsing Wikipedia will provide no answers. I have tried to find it on the UEFA web site and I cannot. Generalized googling only brings up equally unclear information. Edit: Issue resolved. See below. Edited 20 February, 2015 by Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 This could be wrong (they claim the change is next season). If so, who will volunteer to correct it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup European qualification[edit] The FA Cup winners qualify for the following season's UEFA Europa League (formerly named the UEFA Cup; until 1998 they entered the Cup Winners' Cup instead). This European place applies even if the team is relegated or is not in the English top flight. However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. FA Cup winners enter the Europa League at the Group Stage. Losing finalists, if they enter the Europa League, must begin earlier, at the play-off or Q3 stage.[11] From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition.[12] It's just you not understanding it, put in as many underlines as you like. The format changes start from next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 Here's a link, totally unequivocal. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_UEFA_Europa_League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 20 February, 2015 Share Posted 20 February, 2015 Here's a link, totally unequivocal. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_UEFA_Europa_League That settles it. It means my reading comprehension is still satisfactory. Here is the direct link to the UEFA website with the information. However, it would be nice if they published it in the form of a rule. http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/executive-committee/news/newsid=1999120.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 So we all agree that this year's runner up qualifies for Europa if the winner qualifies for the CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 So we all agree that this year's runner up qualifies for Europa if the winner qualifies for the CL? This is a joke, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 A piece in the Liverpool Echo concerning the three buys from Southampton. Hit, miss or maybe? Can you guess who got what? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/hit-miss-maybe-how-liverpool-8686960#rlabs=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 A piece in the Liverpool Echo concerning the three buys from Southampton. Hit, miss or maybe? Can you guess who got what? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/hit-miss-maybe-how-liverpool-8686960#rlabs=1 More like maybe (Barmby not Barnes), miss, and meltdown! Positive spin from the Self-Pity City Echo, whatever next?! Hopefully we can stuff them tomorrow so they can get back to the endemic wrist slashing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 More like maybe (Barmby not Barnes), miss, and meltdown! Positive spin from the Self-Pity City Echo, whatever next?! Hopefully we can stuff them tomorrow so they can get back to the endemic wrist slashing... If you're talking about people topping themselves in the North West, Manchester is the place. Liverpool is unremarkable on the suicide front - at national average, the surrounding areas are up to 25% lower than the national average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 [quote=pap;2140617 Liverpool is unremarkable on the suicide front]I - at national average, the surrounding areas are up to 25% lower than the national average. Kind of makes sense, if you can hack life in Liverpool,be it for an infinitesmally short time, then you don't get suicidally depressed easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 Kind of makes sense, if you can hack life in Liverpool,be it for an infinitesmally short time, then you don't get suicidally depressed easily. How would you know? You can't even hack life in England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 How would you know? You can't even hack life in England Oh I like England, it's just the English that I can't hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 If you're talking about people topping themselves in the North West, Manchester is the place. Liverpool is unremarkable on the suicide front - at national average, the surrounding areas are up to 25% lower than the national average. Statistics aren't everything. I bet historically Liverpool has had the highest suicide rate, in Europe, if not the world!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 Statistics aren't everything. I bet historically Liverpool has had the highest suicide rate, in Europe, if not the world!... Based on what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 Based on what, exactly? Based on the mawkish obsession with tragedy and the historical obsession of footballing supremacy! Turkish kindly pointed out the Liverpool Echo's recent claim on the Titanic disaster the other day - a new one on me, but certainly a case to add to the pantheon of pity. It wouldn't surprise me if the bubonic plague, Spanish Flu, and the Holocaust all had their roots in Merseyside! Hang on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066155/Hitler-spent-months-living-Liverpool-flat-later-destroyed-Luftwaffe.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 Based on the mawkish obsession with tragedy and the historical obsession of footballing supremacy! Turkish kindly pointed out the Liverpool Echo's recent claim on the Titanic disaster the other day - a new one on me, but certainly a case to add to the pantheon of pity. It wouldn't surprise me if the bubonic plague, Spanish Flu, and the Holocaust all had their roots in Merseyside! Hang on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066155/Hitler-spent-months-living-Liverpool-flat-later-destroyed-Luftwaffe.html I agree with you on the Titanic, but that's surely tasteless commercial opportunism rather than an example of scousers crying their eyes out. I don't share your view that scousers are self-pitying. You're mistaking solidarity and shared concern, I reckon. When the Grand National got called off, I seem to remember scousers taking stranded strangers in, not p!ssing tears because a huge burden had been placed upon 'em. The tenacity on Hillsborough was both admirable and justified. What else would you put in the pantheon of pity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 February, 2015 Share Posted 21 February, 2015 Self pity city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 This is a joke, right? However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 However, if the FA Cup winning team has also qualified for the following season's Champions League, then the losing FA Cup finalist is given the Europa League place instead. From the 2015/16 season, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition. The small print is what matters here. Starting in the 2015-2016 season runners up do not get into Europe. See here: http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/executive-committee/news/newsid=1999120.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Interesting that we want more league places to get CL. Alternatively could hope for small club to win FA Cuo so Spurs coming 7th get f all. Would, be handy if some paper could task an intern with coming up with every relevant permutation on who wins FA Cup, CL, EL. so we could all be clear. I need to know if I want an English team to win EL or not - better not be Bloody Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 RK says some players move for money. The headline may shriek of "No ****" but well said anyway. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31570966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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