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They can't keep relying on late goals to pick up points. Kane has been one of their better players this season. Glad the rumours are that we're after him.

 

Why not, worked for Utd for years. Grind 'em down and count on Fergie time when they let their guard down. tbh though it was just a matter of time until they scored a winner today, total domination in the 2nd half.

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Why not, worked for Utd for years. Grind 'em down and count on Fergie time when they let their guard down. tbh though it was just a matter of time until they scored a winner today, total domination in the 2nd half.
But Spurs were lucky with the two sending offs going their way, turning the game in their favour. They're not going to have that luck every week I hope. Edited by Sour Mash
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It certainly doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

:lol:

 

P.S. Bloody Spurs, 2 almost identical jammy away wins in a row. Anyway, their luck can't last much longer.

 

I'm loving this Liverpool banter. They are so crap! Absolutely great!!! :)

 

Lovren loves 'You'll Never Walk Alone' though - a true scouser. Do you think Rickie Lambert has had his tattoo removed yet?

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Interesting read on RAWK. Some posters claim that johnson is deffo on his way out. Summer at the latest and Gerrard is basically running the team. There is a power struggle within the team between the rogers and Gerard. Hence the bizarre team selections.

 

Johnson has a terrible attitude and other players want out. Not a happy camp at all behind the scenes.

 

 

 

Probably a load of waffle like you read on here when things are not going too well. But if rogers keeps picking johnson, lovren and Gerard. He won't have a job for too long

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Gerrard was a top quality player, one of my favourites, but I cringe watching him these days. It's so sad to watch as he's so ineffective and is an accident waiting to happen in the position he's in.

 

It's all about sentiment for the Liverpool lot, but I honestly think the continuing perseverance of Gerrard will hold them back. It's about them as a club being stronger than the individual, but we all know what will happen. A club who live in the past.

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Gerrard was a top quality player, one of my favourites, but I cringe watching him these days. It's so sad to watch as he's so ineffective and is an accident waiting to happen in the position he's in.

 

It's all about sentiment for the Liverpool lot, but I honestly think the continuing perseverance of Gerrard will hold them back. It's about them as a club being stronger than the individual, but we all know what will happen. A club who live in the past.

 

He was dreadful against us at St Mary's in our first season back in the Premier League, and it was then, having seen him live for the first time in a number of years that I said his legs had gone.

 

It's all well and good watching games on tv and seeing highlights of his hollywood passes and 20 yard thunderbolts but it's only in the flesh when you can get a true reflection of the work a player does on the pitch. He is now dropping deeper and deeper to make up for his lack of movement, pulling the midfield back and inviting teams on. There are also ridiculous gaps in the channels, and everytime a full back dares to go forward there's little cover.

 

It does make you wonder how a problem so blindingly obvious to many is stubbonly ignored. To be fair quite a few of their fans are now coming round to the right way of thinking that I don't believe many would be that annoyed if Rodgers did start putting him out to pasture.

 

Schneiderlin is 10 times the player Gerrard is now. Jack Cork would probably do a better job.

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He was dreadful against us at St Mary's in our first season back in the Premier League, and it was then, having seen him live for the first time in a number of years that I said his legs had gone.

 

It's all well and good watching games on tv and seeing highlights of his hollywood passes and 20 yard thunderbolts but it's only in the flesh when you can get a true reflection of the work a player does on the pitch. He is now dropping deeper and deeper to make up for his lack of movement, pulling the midfield back and inviting teams on. There are also ridiculous gaps in the channels, and everytime a full back dares to go forward there's little cover.

 

It does make you wonder how a problem so blindingly obvious to many is stubbonly ignored. To be fair quite a few of their fans are now coming round to the right way of thinking that I don't believe many would be that annoyed if Rodgers did start putting him out to pasture.

 

Schneiderlin is 10 times the player Gerrard is now. Jack Cork would probably do a better job.

 

 

You just have to face facts, Liverpoool as it stands are distinctly average but last season they were average + Suarez. What Lucas has done to get himself exiled totally who knows, perhaps he ****ged Gerrard's wife or something, without him they are hopeless in midfield, at least he tackles and tracks back. As I've said all season Liverpool's problems come down to 2 things, lack of efficiency in front of goal and Gerrard, when they sort out those they'll be OK. Unfortunately it may take sacking Rodgers to change that.

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Serious question

Is Brendan Rogers all that?

 

Since he has been at Liverpool he has spent over £230m

Granted, he got a fair whack for Suarez but after that season last year, they were crap the season before and crap again

 

This morning on talksport, they refused, utterly refused to entertain the idea that "friend of the station", Rogers should be under any pressure and called hi, one of the great managers in the league...

 

Is he all that?

 

I do not think he is. He is certainly easily to dislike and did come across very smug last season

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Gerrard of two years ago would have got across to block Palace's second goal. Look at it again - he's half a yard away and closing. But still half a yard, and the ball is in the back of the net. Rodgers is stubbornly refusing to drop him, and I think it will be his undoing.

 

As I posted yesterday, a bit of talk on RAWK claiming that Gerard is all too powerful at the club and there is a bit of unrest behind the scenes and Rogers is too weak to deal with it.

 

Probably a load of crap but funny

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Serious question

Is Brendan Rogers all that?

 

Since he has been at Liverpool he has spent over £230m

Granted, he got a fair whack for Suarez but after that season last year, they were crap the season before and crap again

 

This morning on talksport, they refused, utterly refused to entertain the idea that "friend of the station", Rogers should be under any pressure and called hi, one of the great managers in the league...

Is he all that?

I do not think he is. He is certainly easily to dislike and did come across very smug last season

 

 

Some teams don't need managing, or not hugely as the players are good enough to know what to do. Liverpool last season were such a team as the 2 forwards knew exactly what to do and were good enough to do it - ie score more goals than they let in. Avram Grant at Chelsea was another example of the manager not really having the hardest job in the world. But the abject start to the season, having spent £130m over the closed season, rather suggests that Rodgers is not good. Sure a lot of teams rely on a couple of players, but not when they have spent £243m since their manager arrived (and realising £108m on players sold) in June 2012.

 

He has a somewhat chequered record

 

Watford P32 W13 D7 L12

Reading P23 W6 D6 L11

Swansea P96 W39 D29 L28

Liv'pool P115 W60 D24 L31

 

Quite what Huw Jenkins saw of him at Reading is a mystery, but he did well at Swansea. Got them to 3rd pace in the Champ and promoted and then 11th place (47 points) before Liverpool snapped him up. For a club of Liverpool's stature, I guess it was a risk and quite a strange appointment. I am sure that many were expecting to have a world renowned name, rather than one managing a smallish provincial club. It would be akin to them appointing Tony Pulis because he got Palace to 11th last season (but on 45 points). But they've done this before with Woy Hodgson, albeit his track record is pretty impressive really, and that didn't work out. Suarez/Sturridge partnership obviously was something really really special, and made Rodgers look a genius.

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Suarez/Sturridge partnership obviously was something really really special, and made Rodgers look a genius.

 

Absolutely, 60 odd goals between them, gave Sterling a free ride and got about 15 penalties for Gerrard.

Liverpool were a 2 man team last season, unfortunately for them neither is available to them this season.

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The Scouse had a good run last season, but they still shipped a load of goals. For me, they haven't replaced the two players that were so key from a few years ago - Alonso and Macherano. No amount of fancy, ball-poncing, lightweight midfielders are going to make up for a couple of decent, hard, defensive midfielders. Rodgers has bought badly and needs his fortune telling by the Board.

 

Anyway, f**k 'em. I hope they go down. Fed up with the overly sycophantic media coverage of a very average team living off past glories.

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Serious question

Is Brendan Rogers all that?

 

Since he has been at Liverpool he has spent over £230m

Granted, he got a fair whack for Suarez but after that season last year, they were crap the season before and crap again

 

This morning on talksport, they refused, utterly refused to entertain the idea that "friend of the station", Rogers should be under any pressure and called hi, one of the great managers in the league...

 

Is he all that?

 

I do not think he is. He is certainly easily to dislike and did come across very smug last season

 

Been saying for a while, his transfers have been shocking.

 

Other than Sturridge, you can't really call any of them an overwhelming success. Coutinho is undoubtedly a good player, but far too inconsistent to call him a really good signing. The rest? Well, half are totally ineffectual, some can't get near the team and some aren't even at the club anymore.

 

He got a decent (probably harsh - they were effing lethal last year) partnership out of Sturridge and Suarez, fair play. Other than that, he really hasn't done a great.

 

The Balotelli thing speaks volumes for me. BR thought he could 'handle' big egos/troubled players because Suarez wasn't sold and then had a storming season (didn't often show up in big games, but was unplayable for everyone else). Problem with that is:

 

A) Suarez is an amazingly good player. His performance does not need managing. He has always been the sort of player that will run his socks off.

B) LS was playing for a move.

C) BR didn't really manage him. LS was still getting involved in controversies, biting, throwing himself down and just being a general tit.

 

Balotelli is nothing like Suarez, and BR's ego has conflated the two. I usually try not to enjoy watching people struggle, but given his comments about Spurs last year (£100m should see you winning the league :lol: ) and his comments re: us in the summer. I'm going to enjoy every last minute of his suffering. Sorry Mr. Blobfish!

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MOTD2 analysis: 'Liverpool results reflect their true level'

Former Everton and Manchester United player Phil Neville explains why he is not surprised to see Liverpool in mid-table following their defeat by Crystal Palace, rather than repeating their title challenge of last season

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30172094

 

Quite an amusing read:D

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Yes terrible - wasn't it ?....once again.......... Fonte wasn't there to rescue him ......

 

But he shouldn't be out there defending against a speedy winger, where was the LB...oh it was Johnson...explains everything. Liverpool have it all wrong, dropped Moreno cos he was cack against err whoever beat them last time and replaced him with a RB(if you can call him that) who's always cack anywhere. Rodgers is cocking up everything, or perhaps it's Gerrard, who knows who's picking the team just now.

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Posted on Twitter last night "Liverpool are finished as long as Gerard continues to play He is heart of their downfall.Things will get worse unless he retires"

 

Have been receiving hundreds of retweets and replies in support of my thoughts.

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Posted on Twitter last night "Liverpool are finished as long as Gerard continues to play He is heart of their downfall.Things will get worse unless he retires"

 

Have been receiving hundreds of retweets and replies in support of my thoughts.

 

I agree with you, but I can only see 3 retweets and 3 replies. ;)

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I-om-WMc_bigger.jpegGary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker

Pochettino "Here I am the head coach not the manager. At Southampton I was the manager." Take note, Daniel Levy!

 

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_boss_why_there_s_a_key_difference_between_a_head_coach_and_manager_1_3861711 …

 

The Argentine has corrected those who have referred to him as “the manager”, most recently in Friday’s press conference.

 

A reporter drew Pochettino’s attention to a recent interview with Harry Kane, stating: “He said the responsibility for recent results should be with the players and not the manager.”

 

Pochettino began his reply by stating: “They don’t have a manager, they have a head coach. I am a head coach.”

 

Asked to explain the distinction, Pochettino suggested that his role in Tottenham’s hierarchy is less wide-ranging and more specific than his previous job at Southampton.

“I think it’s very different,” he said. “If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better and try to improve the players and to get positive results.

 

“The head coach is not the same as the manager. If not, why am I not [called] the manager? I am the head coach. In Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. Here I am a head coach - a head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

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I-om-WMc_bigger.jpegGary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker

Pochettino "Here I am the head coach not the manager. At Southampton I was the manager." Take note, Daniel Levy!

 

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_boss_why_there_s_a_key_difference_between_a_head_coach_and_manager_1_3861711 …

 

I thought Cortese described him as just a department head - ie the head coach and not the manager.

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Having a lighthearted Twitter 'argument' with a Liverpool-supporting acquaintance, apparently Lovren is class and just needs time. Also took him two tweets to mention their past glorious trophies to make up for the fact that they're currently sh*ite.

 

Also, he reckons DM is their strongest position - Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Henderson and Can - whilst we apparently have "a Celtic reject". Please remind me never to talk to Liverpool supporters ever again.

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Looks like poch is having to do a few "extra jobs" for Levy to keep his job..........;)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30195756

 

Firefighters were called to the blaze at Archway Sheet Metal Works, on Paxton Road, Tottenham, at around 05:00 GMT.

 

The factory site is just yards from Spurs' White Hart Lane ground .

 

The family-run firm is situated on the final piece of land the club has been trying to acquire to start the redevelopment of its stadium.

 

"An investigation has been launched into the cause of the fire," a Scotland Yard spokesman said. "At this early stage the fire is being treated as suspicious."

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I-om-WMc_bigger.jpegGary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker

Pochettino "Here I am the head coach not the manager. At Southampton I was the manager." Take note, Daniel Levy!

 

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/sport/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_boss_why_there_s_a_key_difference_between_a_head_coach_and_manager_1_3861711 …

 

 

He's only recently started to speak English in interviews and yet he is now capable of debating the lexical semantics of the language. The lad's come a long way. But if he accepts that the job of a coach is to improve the style of play, improve the players and get positive results, then patently he isn't doing a very good job, judging on his results so far.

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