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Bucks Saint

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Poch is not under pressure. No, sirree, he is not under pressure.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29977500

 

The common factor in the under performance of the defectors is that they have all been given credit for Saint's success last term and nobody has considered the importance of the wider club operations.

 

His delusion continues. Levy has an impeccible reputation for tolerating Spurs not competing for the top 4 and giving people plenty of time to turn it around if they dont. No worries at all Poch

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VectisSaint

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"Tiny Isle of Wight outfit". Bloody cheek. For the Isle of Wight Newport is massive. Genuinely never knew he played for the Port. Been away too long (or not long enough). They were actually in the Southern League when he played for them, so not so tiny after all (now they are just Wessex League again due to the financial problems a few years back).

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I think Liverpool are in terminal decline. They overachieved last season mainly due to one player, now gone. Their talisman is finished but doesn’t know it or wont admit it. They overpay for players and then cant fit them in the team. Pundits continue to make excuses but the reality is they are not a top 4 club anymore and increasingly will find it difficult to be top 6. The defectors are getting their just desserts.

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So they are the most successful club in English football history yet all of a sudden they are too far from london to attract players, WTF is he on about?

 

Liverpool has always been 200 miles from london and it's always been a sh!thole. Attracting players is not the problem, it's finding the right ones when your a sh!t manager that's the problem.

 

Are they also to far from Manchester?

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Lighthouse

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I do wonder how long Liverpool can sustain their current model. Spunking all that transfer money and big wage packets on the likes of Carroll, Downing, Lallana, Lovren, Markovic whilst not qualifying for the Champs League can't be making their bank manager too happy. Added to that they've always had an Owen/Gerrard/Fowler/Carragher type talisman, with Gerrard on his way out it's hard to see where the next one will come from.

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saint1977

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Rodgers is getting well and truly found out now that Dracula has moved on and they've essentially wasted the proceeds like Spurs did with the Bale money.

 

Lallana will probably do alright up there if the useless one gives him a run of games but barring last season never got enough goals from midfield on a consistent basis for Saints. Lovren is struggling for form, he might find it again if Rodgers grows a pair and drops Gerrard and puts some midfield screen in. However, their fans have their mind up about Dejan and will be slow to change it. Anita's little social media ponderings will be dissected and highlighted far more now too so looking like Zenit for £8m in the summer.

 

Feel sorry for Rickie in many ways. We've moved on but he'll always be one of ours at heart. Still, for that huge layout on all three in fees, wages, signing on fees, agent costs etc, Brendan has to be sweating badly. I've not even mentioned yet about the total outlay on Balotelli. What was he thinking of?

 

As for his excuses, Liverpool has always had deprivation but so has Manchester and I don't see either of their clubs struggling to attract top players and that's Man U without European football, let alone CL which Liverpool have had (but not enjoyed) this year.

 

Tough to call on whether Rodgers or MP gets the sack first...

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They weren't a top 4 club anyway until Suarez temporarily rescued them, and even when he was with them they finished 7th or 8th. Now they are reverting back to what they have been for the past 4 or 5 years, a top half of the table side with aspirations to finish in the champions league spots.

 

Rogers has a big job on his hands to turn it around, and I'm not sure he will succeed.

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david in sweden

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of course now we see ..what many of us knew before than Suarez was the Liverpool side last season . Sturridge meanwhile was free to score whilst most opponents put three men on LS.

 

Rodgers seems to have bought a lot of name players without looking at them as a team. I know if I'd bought in Lambert and Lallana,(who were the success men in our set-up), I'd play them TOGETHER.

 

.........and not leave them to hold hands on the bench, and then blame them when they can't pull his irons out of the fire when subbed on in the last 10 mins.

 

Instead of catering to Balotelli all the time, BR should start both L@L togther and play them until, they start to gel again . It worked for us - not apparantly not L'pool.

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http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenhams-emmanuel-adebayor-we-are-afraid-to-play-at-home-and-it-is-hard-to-understand-what-pochettino-wants-9851053.html

 

first signs of dressing room unrest - I know adebayor's a piece of work but, still, really not looking for poch

Tottenham's Emmanuel Adebayor: We are afraid to play at home and it's hard to understand what Pochettino wants

 

Shame he hasn't got his translator anymore.

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John Boy Saint

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Tottenham's Emmanuel Adebayor: We are afraid to play at home and it's hard to understand what Pochettino wants

 

Shame he hasn't got his translator anymore.

 

i think your starter for 10 might be having your boots on ready to play when you know you are coming on.

 

You do wonder if the manager pot has dried up for Spurs as potential future managers have been removing their hats from the ring as they realise that the Dressing room at WHL is a nest of Vipers best steered clear of, and Levy still has the safety on due to the only option to Poch out there is to get Sherwood back............. And his Ego won't allow that.

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Liverhampton have started a whole thread on us, which to be fair, is mostly complimentary and well balanced http://forums.liverpoolfc.com/threads/366508-Southhampton

 

I do love this reply in particular:

 

Today,13:37 Originally Posted by Bewdleyfan

 

This is why I am not to disheartened about our ability to finish in the top 4. I am confident that Southampton, Swansea and West Ham will finish below us come the end of the season.

 

Reply:

 

Just to let you know, we're 11 points behind Southampton. 11 points. That's a lot. And with the way we're playing and the way they're playing, it's looking likely the gap will increase rather than decrease.

 

I think a lot of people are just being snobs towards Southampton and are just thinking we have some devine right to finish above them and WILL do so.

 

As I say, 11 points. We've got work to do.

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This should be made into a nice plaque and installed into the home dressing room at SMS

 

“I have absolutely no sympathy for Southampton. They have a choice as a club. They don’t have to sell. They had that choice. Maybe Southampton’s objectives have changed. They were on course to be a *Champions League club, I believe, but, obviously, that has changed"

 

Brendan Rodgers, Aug'14

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i think your starter for 10 might be having your boots on ready to play when you know you are coming on.

 

You do wonder if the manager pot has dried up for Spurs as potential future managers have been removing their hats from the ring as they realise that the Dressing room at WHL is a nest of Vipers best steered clear of, and Levy still has the safety on due to the only option to Poch out there is to get Sherwood back............. And his Ego won't allow that.

 

At last on MOTD 2 last night they alluded to this, and in no uncertain terms, Shearer - who is turning into a good pundit inasmuch as he is not afraid to express an opinion - pretty much accused the players of hooking out Sherwood and AVB before him.

 

Shearer would know all about this sort of thing, of course, as he led the dressing-room putsch that spelled the end for Gullit at Newcastle.

 

There was always some doubt among the wise on here that the hugely egotistical Spurs players would have problems buying into Poch's philosophy. It seems that might be the case, although the way they consistently shaft any manager who comes through the door makes you wonder what they want as a group of players.

 

It may only have been a small thing in isolation, but the incident with Adebayor's boots told you all you need to know about the players' attitudes at Spurs.

 

He's whinged like hell about not being in the team, but when called upon, he's not ready and demonstrated that he really couldn't have cared less who knew it

 

Contrast to Long, who admitted he was not happy about being left out (as a manager you would worry if a player IS happy at being left out) but instead of throwing a pink hissy fit or going into a sulk, was just straining at the leash on Saturday to get on and show Koeman what he could do.

 

And as for Kaboul. Jeez, as a captain he's on a par with the guy who steered the Costa Concordia on to the rocks and was the first one off the sinking ship.

 

Again, contrast and compare with Fonte.

 

It's clear that Spurs' dressing room is not one unified group of disaffected martinets, but several little cliques and sub-groups, who plot against each other which makes it even worse to handle. It's not too difficult to work out how these groups are formed and their make-up.

 

It might be this that saves Poch. Even Levy must see that the main fault lies with the players and not the manager and the only way to clear this up is to do what Hercules did with the Augean Stables and clear the lot out. That will take a brave manager, but an even braver chairman to give him the scope to do it.

 

Still. what do we care? Long may it continue.

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Secret Site Agent

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I had a dream the other day. We were playing liverpool and after beating them 3-0 as Adam, Sir Rickie and Loverliverpoolen came up to applaud the Saints fans, RoKo was stood on the touchline pointing at them and laughing.

 

I think I got it stuck in my head after watching Sam Allerdyce on Youtube laughing at Flores:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd65g3hqJrk

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His current excuses are up there with Poch's ''the pitch is too small' ********...

 

And his next headline making excuse will be that he's down to the bare bones...

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Where Lovren is concerned I believe his missus was the real reason for him leaving Saints. She probably told him if she was going to suffering living in the UK, he'd be better earning big money.

 

It is probably the reason he's not playing well since his move. A dodgy relationship or marriage is the last thing a player needs. It appears she gave him hell for the nude photos during the World Cup and the comments of "He's so cute" from swooning women and men on the social media.

 

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/off-the-pitch/liverpool/news/lovrens-wife-suffered-after-naked-pics_186266.html

 

So, I think, if he continues playing the way he's doing and outraging the Anfield supporters he'll be getting an ultimatum from the wife and her family that she wants to go back home. We can but hope.

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This should be made into a nice plaque and installed into the home dressing room at SMS

 

“I have absolutely no sympathy for Southampton. They have a choice as a club. They don’t have to sell. They had that choice. Maybe Southampton’s objectives have changed. They were on course to be a *Champions League club, I believe, but, obviously, that has changed"

 

Brendan Rodgers, Aug'14

 

It should be displayed in the away dressing room when Liverpool come south later in the season.

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It would be better pinned on the back of the door of the home dressing room.

 

No team talk required, just read that chaps, before you go out on to the pitch.

 

Id rather write it out in a stinging nettle and shove it up Rodgers' bum.

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its not all chambers fault (nor arsenals defence) that they have 7 players forward nearly all of the time

that is something we certainly do NOT do. and it shows

 

All the talk after the swans - arse game should probably ensure Clyne erans his first cap this weekend. Its perfect timing.

Happy that Steve Gee isn't about this time to big up the scousers!

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'Liverpool's full backs are more offensive and so are going to leave you more exposed, that could be something to look at because Brendan Rodgers likes his full backs to get forward."

 

I enjoy Carragher's work on Sky and his columns are usually a decent read but this is ******** - anyone who saw us last season will know that Clyne / Chambers / Shaw all bombed on and in no way can any other team claim to have full-backs who bombed on more than us. The difference is that we had Schneiderlin, Cork, or Wanyama who are positionally disciplined and knew how to cover which gave Fonte and Lovren some extra help.

 

Liverpool's issues stem from no balance in midfield and no-one in there with a defensive instinct who is also capable of physically performing that role. Both Liverpool centre-halves are left woefully exposed and while Lovern showed signs at Saints that he is good at 'solving problems' when he has to make decisions to kill attacks, at Liverpool he is facing different pressures and is cracking a bit. Lovern would excel in a different system but quite frankly any centre half at Liverpool is on a hiding to nothing.

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Liverpool's issues stem from no balance in midfield and no-one in there with a defensive instinct who is also capable of physically performing that role. Both Liverpool centre-halves are left woefully exposed and while Lovern showed signs at Saints that he is good at 'solving problems' when he has to make decisions to kill attacks, at Liverpool he is facing different pressures and is cracking a bit. Lovern would excel in a different system but quite frankly any centre half at Liverpool is on a hiding to nothing.

 

Absolutely right, a really good but sober DM sponges up a lot of mistakes that most people don't even notice, he also is always there to receive an out ball from anyone under pressure. When you don't have one then little mistakes turn into disasters and a bit of pressure on the back four is a one way highway. Until Rodgers leaves Gerrard out or moves him forward and puts Lucas in his place then they'll be in the shîtter.

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