Defectors Watch

[SW5 SAINT]

Not really a defector I realise, but it makes you think we dodged a bullet when Brandon Williams can’t get in the Norwich defence which shipped 7 last goals last week, what an outstanding piece of business the Livramento deal was…….!

[skintsaint]

  On 31/10/2021 at 09:10, East Kent Saint said:

Lallana given an ovation by both teams fans when subbed yesterday !

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Liverpool fans probably gave him one for his shit tracking back for their first goal 😅

[Guest]

Danny Ings won’t feature tomorrow night on Southampton return.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Turkish]

Vestergaard and Bertrand going down a storm in the East Midlands 🤣

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-season-player-ratings-6231301?fbclid=IwAR2YFOvuMFKfebnppkss7bqUZaJ6PN5wa55H9UnG32cpylNinytATrPSTCw

 

[Nordic Saint]

  On 21/11/2021 at 19:28, Turkish said:

Vestergaard and Bertrand going down a storm in the East Midlands 🤣

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-season-player-ratings-6231301?fbclid=IwAR2YFOvuMFKfebnppkss7bqUZaJ6PN5wa55H9UnG32cpylNinytATrPSTCw

 

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Leicester fans' player ratings for the season so far:

• • Youri Tielemans
    7.2
     

     

     
  • Jonny Evans
    7.1
     

     

     
  • Jamie Vardy
    6.9
     

     

     
  • Patson Daka
    6.7
     

     

     
  • Timothy Castagne
    6.7
     

     

     
  • Kelechi Iheanacho
    6.3
     

     

     
  • Kasper Schmeichel
    6.2
     

     

     
  • Wilfred Ndidi
    6.1
     

     

     
  • Boubakary Soumare
    6.0
     

     

     
  • Harvey Barnes
    5.8
     

     

     
  • Daniel Amartey
    5.8
     

     

     
  • Ricardo Pereira
    5.7
     

     

     
  • Ademola Lookman
    5.6
     

     

     
  • Marc Albrighton
    5.5
     

     

     
  • James Maddison
    5.3
     

     

     
  • K Dewsbury-Hall
    5.1
     

     

     
  • Caglar Soyuncu
    5.1
     

     

     
  • Luke Thomas
    5.0
     

     

     
  • Ayoze Perez
    4.8
     

     

     
  • Hamza Choudhury
    4.6
     

     

     
  • Ryan Bertrand
    3.7
     

     

     
  • Jannik Vestergaard
    3.4
     

     

Edited 21 November, 2021 by Nordic Saint

[Turkish]

• 'Gets worse every week', 'I'm starting to lose faith' - Many Spurs fans slam 'abysmal' 26 y/o (msn.com)

 

[S-Clarke]

  On 03/12/2021 at 17:07, Turkish said:

• 'Gets worse every week', 'I'm starting to lose faith' - Many Spurs fans slam 'abysmal' 26 y/o (msn.com)

 

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He's always been fairly average tbh. Throw him in a team with lots of good players and he'd do a job, but he's not good enough to carry a midfield as the 'lead' player in my opinion.  Struggled here with a load of average, bit better at Spurs when they have their best players in the side, but struggles when he's part of their 'second string'.

[Nordic Saint]

Juanmi is having a very good season. His Real Betis team are 5th in La Liga and he is their top scorer. He got a hat-trick at the weekend:

Resumen de Real Betis vs Levante UD (3-1) - YouTube

[S-Clarke]

  On 03/12/2021 at 19:31, Nordic Saint said:

Juanmi is having a very good season. His Real Betis team are 5th in La Liga and he is their top scorer. He got a hat-trick at the weekend:

Resumen de Real Betis vs Levante UD (3-1) - YouTube

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He did ok last season as well to be fair. Bit too lightweight for this league, but he was always the sort who'd do a lot better in a league like La Liga.

[Turkish]

  On 03/12/2021 at 19:19, S-Clarke said:

He's always been fairly average tbh. Throw him in a team with lots of good players and he'd do a job, but he's not good enough to carry a midfield as the 'lead' player in my opinion.  Struggled here with a load of average, bit better at Spurs when they have their best players in the side, but struggles when he's part of their 'second string'.

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He was hyped up a bit when he joined Spurs with pundits going on about how good he was. Never seen it myself, not a bad player but just average. The best thing he does for clubs he’s at seems to be great post embarrassing defeat interviews. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 03/12/2021 at 20:42, Turkish said:

The best thing he does for clubs he’s at seems to be great post embarrassing defeat interviews. 

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He’s great at pointing where the ball should go, and exceptional at waving his arms around. 

[HarvSFC]

  On 03/12/2021 at 20:42, Turkish said:

He was hyped up a bit when he joined Spurs with pundits going on about how good he was. Never seen it myself, not a bad player but just average. The best thing he does for clubs he’s at seems to be great post embarrassing defeat interviews. 

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He was the next Christian Eriksen! 

Only similarities they have are being from the same country and playing for Tottenham.

[Badger]

  On 03/12/2021 at 20:50, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s great at pointing where the ball should go, and exceptional at waving his arms around. 

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Anything to display his arm full of tattoos...

[rooney]

His passing was atrocious I recall, as always seemed to give the ball away.

[LiberalCommunist]

Bit surprised people are jumping on PEH so quickly. While here, we were asking too much of him. He was being asked to hold and create, and clearly couldn't do that. But his early games at Spuds showed a marked improvement, when he was given the one task to concentrate on. I thought he performed really well. Not sure what has made him go off the boil recently, and I can't say it upsets me.......I love it when a defector fails!

But I'd have him in our team over James if his job was just sitting and breaking play up. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 04/12/2021 at 07:26, rooney said:

His passing was atrocious I recall, as always seemed to give the ball away.

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Even when he was passing backwards, which was most of the time.

[Lighthouse]

Probably the most damning indictment I have of PEH is that barely 18 months later, I’ve pretty much forgotten he played for us. Whenever he pops up on TV for Spurs I think, "oh yeah, him…"

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 04/12/2021 at 08:41, LiberalCommunist said:

I thought he performed really well. Not sure what has made him go off the boil recently, 

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One word, Jose.

He played in a structure suited to his game and was given clear instructions, which he followed religiously. He’s a good pro, and Jose still works well with players like him. 

[Saint_clark]

Antonio could be a champions League player at the end of the season, after we turned him down for £1million in league one. Shame.

 

 

[Toadhall Saint]

  On 04/12/2021 at 14:29, Saint_clark said:

Antonio could be a champions League player at the end of the season, after we turned him down for £1million in league one. Shame.

 

 

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Would you have predicted that? Thought not. 😉

[Saint_clark]

  On 04/12/2021 at 14:42, Toadhall Saint said:

Would you have predicted that? Thought not. 😉

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No, but I still wanted us to spend the money on him at the time 😂 it did seem obvious he'd be a prem player.

[Nordic Saint]

  On 03/12/2021 at 19:31, Nordic Saint said:

Juanmi is having a very good season. His Real Betis team are 5th in La Liga and he is their top scorer. He got a hat-trick at the weekend:

Resumen de Real Betis vs Levante UD (3-1) - YouTube

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Juanmi scores yet again to beat Barcelona today and take Real Betis into the top 4. Only Real Madrid's Benzema has scored more goals than him this season:

Resumen de FC Barcelona vs Real Betis (0-1) - YouTube

 

Edited 4 December, 2021 by Nordic Saint

[Micky]

Ryan Bertrand is not winning over the fans...

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127373-worst-player-to-wear-the-shirt-in-the-prem-era/

[redkeith]

  On 04/12/2021 at 19:14, Nordic Saint said:

Juanmi scores yet again to beat Barcelona today and take Real Betis into the top 4. Only Real Madrid's Benzema has scored more goals than him this season:

Resumen de FC Barcelona vs Real Betis (0-1) - YouTube

 

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I liked him as a player. The chipped pass for Long to score against Vittesse  showed vision, temperament  and technique. Most strikers we have had since would have just wellyed it and hoped it missed the keeper.

 

It is a big shame he couldn't settle in Southampton, but you can't  blame a guy for moving on to San Sebastian and then Seville !  

Edited 10 December, 2021 by redkeith

[SFC Forever]

I thought Reading refused to sell Antonio to us.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 10/12/2021 at 21:55, SFC Forever said:

I thought Reading refused to sell Antonio to us.

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As I recall they wanted too much for him, something like a million pounds.

[rooney]

  On 10/12/2021 at 21:55, SFC Forever said:

I thought Reading refused to sell Antonio to us.

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 That was the story at the time I recall. Reading then loaned him out to someone else I believe.

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

  On 11/12/2021 at 09:30, Matthew Le God said:

 

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I loved this guy when he was with us. Such a shame we couldn't get more out of him

[Nordic Saint]

Best in Europe.

 

With 22 duels won, Jose Fonte is the defender with the best percentage of duels won (76%) in the Champions League, ahead of Ronald Araujo (Barcelona - 71%) and Eder Militao (Real Madrid - 69%). Fonte's Lille team won their Champions League group.

[Nordic Saint]

  On 03/12/2021 at 19:31, Nordic Saint said:

Juanmi is having a very good season. His Real Betis team are 5th in La Liga and he is their top scorer. He got a hat-trick at the weekend:

Resumen de Real Betis vs Levante UD (3-1) - YouTube

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Goal machine, Juanmi scores his 5th goal in 3 games, as his Real Betis move up to 3rd in La Liga.

 

Resumen de Real Betis vs Real Sociedad (4-0) - YouTube

[LiberalCommunist]

  On 11/12/2021 at 10:40, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I loved this guy when he was with us. Such a shame we couldn't get more out of him

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Super Tramp is cemented in our history. That cup final hat-trick that never was, and the biggest goal of the last ten years against Swansea. 

I reckon he hated it here, but he still gave us some great moments. 

[HarvSFC]

He was so good when he first joined, a proper striker/finisher. Then he got coached by Pellegrino and Hughes...

[Lighthouse]

  On 14/12/2021 at 17:52, HarvSFC said:

He was so good when he first joined, a proper striker/finisher. Then he got coached by Pellegrino and Hughes...

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I sometimes wonder what he'd have been like in a decent team. What if Koeman had him instead of Shane Long....

[SaintTex]

  On 11/12/2021 at 15:22, Nordic Saint said:

Best in Europe.

 

With 22 duels won, Jose Fonte is the defender with the best percentage of duels won (76%) in the Champions League, ahead of Ronald Araujo (Barcelona - 71%) and Eder Militao (Real Madrid - 69%). Fonte's Lille team won their Champions League group.

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Fonte's durability is definitely an outlier in today's modern football. He will 38 in a week.

2018/2019 - 36 league starts (3112 min)

2019/2020 - 25 league starts (2206 min)

2020/2021 - 36 league starts (3190 min)

2021/2022 - 18 league starts (1620 min) - so far

I had written him off after last injury riddle year at West Ham (2017/2018).

[Nordic Saint]

  On 15/12/2021 at 16:03, SaintTex said:

Fonte's durability is definitely an outlier in today's modern football. He will 38 in a week.

2018/2019 - 36 league starts (3112 min)

2019/2020 - 25 league starts (2206 min)

2020/2021 - 36 league starts (3190 min)

2021/2022 - 18 league starts (1620 min) - so far

I had written him off after last injury riddle year at West Ham (2017/2018).

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He is a phenomenon. 49 caps for Portugal, all in his 30s, and I expect he'll win his 50th next year. 

[The Cat]

What a player. 

 

 

[whelk]

  On 19/12/2021 at 09:06, The Cat said:

What a player. 

 

 

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Why is no one talking about this? Maybe people are bored of journos desperate for content on Twitter turning the calendar year into a thing? Sets a record for the youngest under 23 left back to make it to 100 goal scoring opportunities created since Carlos Cuntface did it in 1998

[The Cat]

  On 19/12/2021 at 09:22, whelk said:

Why is no one talking about this? Maybe people are bored of journos desperate for content on Twitter turning the calendar year into a thing? Sets a record for the youngest under 23 left back to make it to 100 goal scoring opportunities created since Carlos Cuntface did it in 1998

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Presumably the calendar year records are a thing because not all countries play their seasons at the same time? A lot of leagues play all their fixtures in the same calendar year rather than across 2 as is common in Europe.

[whelk]

  On 19/12/2021 at 09:37, The Cat said:

Presumably the calendar year records are a thing because not all countries play their seasons at the same time? A lot of leagues play all their fixtures in the same calendar year rather than across 2 as is common in Europe.

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Really? Which ones? I must confess I don’t really look further than Europe leagues

[The Cat]

  On 19/12/2021 at 13:12, whelk said:

Really? Which ones? I must confess I don’t really look further than Europe leagues

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Brazil, MLS, loads of Asia, Ireland, Scandinavia. Sure there's a thing where Scandinavian teams have to play European games during their break. 

[bangkoksaint]

I’m sure I’ve just heard that Fonte is being linked with NUFC

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Manolo and Maya shining for Sampdoria; Ramirez left before the start of this season.  Gabbiadini’s goal today against Roma (Mourinho, Smalling and Abraham) was his fifth in his last five games - one in each; he last did that for Napoli and Saints.  Colley is a commanding cb and even makes Maya look slow but he is 29.  More promising for Saints perhaps are Falcone, 26 I think, (gk) and Askildsen (amf), 20.  Sampdoria play a reasonably high pressing game and Gabbi copes with it remarkably well and can even last the full 90+minutes after a game last weekend; he could have done the same here!  Some interesting games in Italy; I’d recommend it for anyone remotely interested.

[Micky]

Ryan getting absolutely pelters from the locals after missing in the penalty shoot out tonight.

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127473-bertrand/

I thought we were bad enough to some of our players, but they absolutely dispise both Bertrand and Vestigaard.

[Dark Munster]

  On 22/12/2021 at 23:05, Micky said:

Ryan getting absolutely pelters from the locals after missing in the penalty shoot out tonight.

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127473-bertrand/

I thought we were bad enough to some of our players, but they absolutely dispise both Bertrand and Vestigaard.

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I have mixed feelings about Bertie's failures with them. I'm glad he is on their payroll now, but having said that he was a great buy and servant for us, and left at the right time and on good terms.

[Roo1976]

  On 22/12/2021 at 23:05, Micky said:

Ryan getting absolutely pelters from the locals after missing in the penalty shoot out tonight.

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127473-bertrand/

I thought we were bad enough to some of our players, but they absolutely dispise both Bertrand and Vestigaard.

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Ah those mercenary millionaire eh.............tut😇

[Nordic Saint]

  On 22/12/2021 at 20:50, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Manolo and Maya shining for Sampdoria; Ramirez left before the start of this season.  Gabbiadini’s goal today against Roma (Mourinho, Smalling and Abraham) was his fifth in his last five games - one in each; he last did that for Napoli and Saints.  Colley is a commanding cb and even makes Maya look slow but he is 29.  More promising for Saints perhaps are Falcone, 26 I think, (gk) and Askildsen (amf), 20.  Sampdoria play a reasonably high pressing game and Gabbi copes with it remarkably well and can even last the full 90+minutes after a game last weekend; he could have done the same here!  Some interesting games in Italy; I’d recommend it for anyone remotely interested.

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Gabbiadini is enjoying a purple patch like the one he had when he first joined Saints. He has scored in every one of his last 5 Serie A games. But another ex-Saint, Juanmi, is doing even better than that, with 7 goals in his last 5 La Liga games. 

[Toadhall Saint]

  On 22/12/2021 at 23:15, Dark Munster said:

I have mixed feelings about Bertie's failures with them. I'm glad he is on their payroll now, but having said that he was a great buy and servant for us, and left at the right time and on good terms.

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Yep exactly this.

[badgerx16]

So Vesty conceded 6 and Gunn 5.

Class certainly is forever.