Lets B Avenue Posted 16 September, 2018 Share Posted 16 September, 2018 Oh dear. Schneiderlin subbed off before half-time. His father died this week. Surprised he played at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 September, 2018 Share Posted 16 September, 2018 Tadic scored again last night for Ajax in a 3-0 win. However, when they got a penalty Huntelaar took it. I hope they didn't fight over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 September, 2018 Share Posted 16 September, 2018 Not really sure Tadic deserves to be in the defectors thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 16 September, 2018 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2018 His father died this week. Surprised he played at all. Ah. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 September, 2018 Share Posted 16 September, 2018 Not really sure Tadic deserves to be in the defectors thread...True, remembered with affection, but good to monitor and see he is doing well. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 September, 2018 Share Posted 16 September, 2018 I suppose the clown isn't a defector either, but I notice that his team are currently propping up the rest of La Liga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 September, 2018 Share Posted 17 September, 2018 Not really sure Tadic deserves to be in the defectors thread... Does anyone? The club's famous policy, which they happily basked in the light of, was discovering talented young footballers and selling them on for profit (usually to Liverpool). The problem is that the man who discovered the cheap talent, our Head of Recruitment, Paul 'The Black Box' Mitchell, is no longer here. So, now, under his replacement, Ross Wilson, we are faced with the problem of buying expensive players and then finding a way to offload them for free to anyone desperate enough to take them off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 September, 2018 Share Posted 17 September, 2018 Does anyone? The club's famous policy, which they happily basked in the light of, was discovering talented young footballers and selling them on for profit (usually to Liverpool). The problem is that the man who discovered the cheap talent, our Head of Recruitment, Paul 'The Black Box' Mitchell, is no longer here. So, now, under his replacement, Ross Wilson, we are faced with the problem of buying expensive players and then finding a way to offload them for free to anyone desperate enough to take them off our hands. Not entirely true though. I can't recall when Mitchell joined us but he would not have been responsible for bringing through the first wave of sales, Lallana, Lambert, Schneiderlin & Shaw for example. Apart from that though I agree with your point; recruitment has been poor and Mitchell was a league above the Reed/Wilson fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 17 September, 2018 Share Posted 17 September, 2018 Does anyone? The club's famous policy, which they happily basked in the light of, was discovering talented young footballers and selling them on for profit (usually to Liverpool). The problem is that the man who discovered the cheap talent, our Head of Recruitment, Paul 'The Black Box' Mitchell, is no longer here. So, now, under his replacement, Ross Wilson, we are faced with the problem of buying expensive players and then finding a way to offload them for free to anyone desperate enough to take them off our hands. I would disagree about Mitchell, the managers we had at that time utilised the talent to display them at the peak potential. Perhaps the struggles of some since hey left has demonstrated this? The managers since Keoman have made good players look average (Puel TBF had some players looking better in his system but others underperforming) but I think that's the biggest impact on selling on fees rather than poor recruitment. In addition if he was so "on the pulse" with super signings, why did RKs team come from his old team/old league/players his teams had played against rather than random signings Mitchell found with the black box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 17 September, 2018 Share Posted 17 September, 2018 Mitchell is the hipsters man. No better way to show your deep knowledge and understanding of the game than to praise him. At one time the bloke at Leicester was on a par, but since it went tits up at Everton he’s slipped off the radar, I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened to Mitchell. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 September, 2018 Share Posted 18 September, 2018 Porch doesn’t seem happy. Spurs lose 3rd consecutive game. Knew he’d get found out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 18 September, 2018 Share Posted 18 September, 2018 Porch doesn’t seem happy. Spurs lose 3rd consecutive game. Knew he’d get found out He's Saints through and through. Classic Saints style bucking under pressure to lose at the death. Spurs fans must be hurting so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 September, 2018 Share Posted 19 September, 2018 Ooops. Dejan seems to be in a whole heap of trouble. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6185705/Dejan-Lovren-face-five-years-prison-charged-perjury-alongside-Luka-Modric.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 In addition if he was so "on the pulse" with super signings, why did RKs team come from his old team/old league/players his teams had played against rather than random signings Mitchell found with the black box? Not sure what your evidence of that is: Here are our 2014/15 signings (Koeman arrived June 2014, Mitchell left Nov 2014 so could theoretically be responsible for anything up until summer 2015) - I've flagged the ones with obvious Koeman links. Dusan Tadic FC Twente £10,900,000 08 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Graziano Pelle Feyenoord £8,000,000 12 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Fraser Forster Celtic £10,000,000 09 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Shane Long Hull £12,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Florin Gardos Steaua £4,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Sadio Mane RB Salzburg £11,800,000 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Toby Alderweireld Loan 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Eljero Elia Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Filip Djuricic Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Ryan Bertrand Chelsea £10,000,000 02 Feb, 2015 Black Box Juanmi Malaga £5,000,000 16 Jun, 2015 Black Box Cedric Soares Sporting £4,700,000 18 Jun, 2015 Black Box Harry Lewis Shrewsbury Signed 01 Jul, 2015 From the timescales it looks like Mitchell gave it a few months to see if Koeman was as good to work with as Pochettino, and then went when he decided he wasn't. The signings of Djuricic and Elia on loans 2 months after Mitchell left pretty much summed up Koeman's position on our academy route to the first team (for which the club panned him when he left). Just for the record, here are the signings for the season after Mitchell left Saints - still a couple of "not obviously Koeman's choice" buys - but a significantly larger proportion of Dutch links. Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Cuco Martina FC Twente £1,000,000 07 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Jordy Clasie Feyenoord £8,000,000 15 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Oriol Romeu Chelsea £5,000,000 12 Aug, 2015 - Black Box Virgil van Dijk Celtic £11,500,000 01 Sep, 2015 - Koeman (probably) Charlie Austin QPR £4,000,000 16 Jan, 2016 - Black Box There's also the point that Mitchell probably took a couple of key potential signings to Spurs (plus Alderweireld and Wanyama both joined Spurs after Mitchell left to go there). Aside from those two Spurs' transfer deals in Summer 2015 were Clinton N'Jie from Lyon for £8.3m and Son for Leverkusen for £18m - both of which look like viable Saints targets and the type of player we were signing at the time. In 2016 they signed Vincent Janssen AZ Alkmaar £17,000,000 12 Jul, 2016 Georges-Kevin Nkoudou Mbida Marseille £11,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 Moussa Sissoko Newcastle £30,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 - though I can't see us ever having been in for that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 Not sure what your evidence of that is: Here are our 2014/15 signings (Koeman arrived June 2014, Mitchell left Nov 2014 so could theoretically be responsible for anything up until summer 2015) - I've flagged the ones with obvious Koeman links. Dusan Tadic FC Twente £10,900,000 08 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Graziano Pelle Feyenoord £8,000,000 12 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Fraser Forster Celtic £10,000,000 09 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Shane Long Hull £12,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Florin Gardos Steaua £4,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Sadio Mane RB Salzburg £11,800,000 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Toby Alderweireld Loan 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Eljero Elia Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Filip Djuricic Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Ryan Bertrand Chelsea £10,000,000 02 Feb, 2015 Black Box Juanmi Malaga £5,000,000 16 Jun, 2015 Black Box Cedric Soares Sporting £4,700,000 18 Jun, 2015 Black Box Harry Lewis Shrewsbury Signed 01 Jul, 2015 From the timescales it looks like Mitchell gave it a few months to see if Koeman was as good to work with as Pochettino, and then went when he decided he wasn't. The signings of Djuricic and Elia on loans 2 months after Mitchell left pretty much summed up Koeman's position on our academy route to the first team (for which the club panned him when he left). Just for the record, here are the signings for the season after Mitchell left Saints - still a couple of "not obviously Koeman's choice" buys - but a significantly larger proportion of Dutch links. Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Cuco Martina FC Twente £1,000,000 07 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Jordy Clasie Feyenoord £8,000,000 15 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Oriol Romeu Chelsea £5,000,000 12 Aug, 2015 - Black Box Virgil van Dijk Celtic £11,500,000 01 Sep, 2015 - Koeman (probably) Charlie Austin QPR £4,000,000 16 Jan, 2016 - Black Box There's also the point that Mitchell probably took a couple of key potential signings to Spurs (plus Alderweireld and Wanyama both joined Spurs after Mitchell left to go there). Aside from those two Spurs' transfer deals in Summer 2015 were Clinton N'Jie from Lyon for £8.3m and Son for Leverkusen for £18m - both of which look like viable Saints targets and the type of player we were signing at the time. In 2016 they signed Vincent Janssen AZ Alkmaar £17,000,000 12 Jul, 2016 Georges-Kevin Nkoudou Mbida Marseille £11,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 Moussa Sissoko Newcastle £30,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 - though I can't see us ever having been in for that one! An old boss of mine used tp say you can never win an arguement against someone with time and a typrewriter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 Toby specifically said he signed for us because he wanted to play for Ronald Koeman. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopintsnilnil Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 I wonder why Tadic fancied Ajax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 Not sure what your evidence of that is: Here are our 2014/15 signings (Koeman arrived June 2014, Mitchell left Nov 2014 so could theoretically be responsible for anything up until summer 2015) - I've flagged the ones with obvious Koeman links. Dusan Tadic FC Twente £10,900,000 08 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Graziano Pelle Feyenoord £8,000,000 12 Jul, 2014 - signed from Dutch team - could be a Koeman call? Fraser Forster Celtic £10,000,000 09 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Shane Long Hull £12,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Florin Gardos Steaua £4,000,000 14 Aug, 2014 - Black Box Sadio Mane RB Salzburg £11,800,000 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Toby Alderweireld Loan 01 Sep, 2014 Black Box Eljero Elia Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Filip Djuricic Loan Jan 2015 - Koeman Ryan Bertrand Chelsea £10,000,000 02 Feb, 2015 Black Box Juanmi Malaga £5,000,000 16 Jun, 2015 Black Box Cedric Soares Sporting £4,700,000 18 Jun, 2015 Black Box Harry Lewis Shrewsbury Signed 01 Jul, 2015 From the timescales it looks like Mitchell gave it a few months to see if Koeman was as good to work with as Pochettino, and then went when he decided he wasn't. The signings of Djuricic and Elia on loans 2 months after Mitchell left pretty much summed up Koeman's position on our academy route to the first team (for which the club panned him when he left). Just for the record, here are the signings for the season after Mitchell left Saints - still a couple of "not obviously Koeman's choice" buys - but a significantly larger proportion of Dutch links. Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Cuco Martina FC Twente £1,000,000 07 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Jordy Clasie Feyenoord £8,000,000 15 Jul, 2015 - Koeman Oriol Romeu Chelsea £5,000,000 12 Aug, 2015 - Black Box Virgil van Dijk Celtic £11,500,000 01 Sep, 2015 - Koeman (probably) Charlie Austin QPR £4,000,000 16 Jan, 2016 - Black Box There's also the point that Mitchell probably took a couple of key potential signings to Spurs (plus Alderweireld and Wanyama both joined Spurs after Mitchell left to go there). Aside from those two Spurs' transfer deals in Summer 2015 were Clinton N'Jie from Lyon for £8.3m and Son for Leverkusen for £18m - both of which look like viable Saints targets and the type of player we were signing at the time. In 2016 they signed Vincent Janssen AZ Alkmaar £17,000,000 12 Jul, 2016 Georges-Kevin Nkoudou Mbida Marseille £11,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 Moussa Sissoko Newcastle £30,000,000 31 Aug, 2016 - though I can't see us ever having been in for that one! I think you proved my point...not many good signings on the black box side? Wasn't Mane arecommended by RK after seeing him in Europe previously and Toby came because of RK. I don't think it's the players signed anyway it's how the managers have utilised them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 Jose Fonte's Lille side won today and are now 2nd in the French League. His brother Rui Fonte played up front but Pied has yet to make an appearance. Jose gave away a penalty that was saved. Also Pepe scored a hat trick to win the game for Lille and according to the Manchester Evening News turned down a move to us in the summer. Sounds like United are after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 20 September, 2018 Share Posted 20 September, 2018 I wonder why Tadic fancied Ajax? **** those queues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 September, 2018 Share Posted 22 September, 2018 Not a defector really: Gazza between the sticks for Spurs this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 September, 2018 Share Posted 22 September, 2018 Simms played a full match and Reed scored for Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 22 September, 2018 Share Posted 22 September, 2018 Fonte scored and and assist today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 22 September, 2018 Share Posted 22 September, 2018 I wonder why Tadic fancied Ajax? we could never match that for a great atmosphere...weve only got one song, the awful port****e one, gets aired every game boring as sh!t.really it is .....but we as supporters do need to see encouragement on the field to generate any noise level, theres an air of envitability about us at the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 September, 2018 Share Posted 22 September, 2018 we could never match that for a great atmosphere...weve only got one song, the awful port****e one, gets aired every game boring as sh!t.really it is .....but we as supporters do need to see encouragement on the field to generate any noise level, theres an air of envitability about us at the moment.... First half of the last 2 home games the atmosphere has been decent imo, Like the players performances it peatered out second half ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 23 September, 2018 Share Posted 23 September, 2018 Fonte scored and and assist today His Lille team are 2nd in the French League with only PSG ahead of them now. What a fantastic end to his career it will be if he adds a French League winner's medal to his European Championship winner's medal and goes on to play in the Champions League. He was an absolute legend for us and the best captain and leader our team has had this century. He deserves this success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 September, 2018 Share Posted 23 September, 2018 Again not a defector but Ajax and Tadic doing an us and losing at PSV 3-0 after 37mins. Tadic and #ziyechwatch have hardly touched the ball, some poor poor defending as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Pellegrini’s side currently 2-1 up against Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Pellegrini’s side currently 2-1 up against Barcelona. They won, with Carrillo an unused substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Pellegrini’s side currently 2-1 up against Barcelona. Could have been our fergie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Pellegrini’s side currently 2-1 up against Barcelona. They actually beat Mansfield 8-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Pellegrini’s side currently 2-1 up against Barcelona. Hell of a result that, for the Hammers. Edit: Ah, damn you whelk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 They actually beat Mansfield 8-0 Macclesfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 September, 2018 Share Posted 26 September, 2018 Macclesfield What I get for being a smart arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 VvD, Lallana, Lovren, Clyne and Mane taking another step towards the PL title... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 VvD, Lallana, Lovren, Clyne and Mane taking another step towards the PL title... Change to Liverpool foreva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Djuricic Just scored a gosl. He is better than any of saints players in the pitch now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Fonte's Lille team beat Marseille 3-0 to go 2nd in Ligue 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Fonte's Lille team beat Marseille 3-0 to go 2nd in Ligue 1. Lille 2nd, Ajax 2nd, Liverpool 2nd.... Saints err 5 wins in 38 and no league wins over top 6 for 2 and a half years. "Hughes out" or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Lille 2nd, Ajax 2nd, Liverpool 2nd.... Saints err 5 wins in 38 and no league wins over top 6 for 2 and a half years. "Hughes out" or something Great strategy turning us into stepping stone club turned out to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Lille 2nd, Ajax 2nd, Liverpool 2nd.... Being a fan of a 'show case' club. This must make you feel proud?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Being a fan of a 'show case' club. This must make you feel proud?! Watching Liverpool in the champions league final was emotional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Watching Liverpool in the champions league final was emotional Yes. I thought their performance was hilarious as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Yes. I thought their performance was hilarious as well. I was delighted with the result mainly because the fawning media coverage would have induced vomiting in the extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Spurs fan in the office getting very excited about Gazzaniga's performances. I reminded him we sold him to them for less than £1M. He says his market value is now £30M. Says he can see Lloris struggling to regain his place, that Gazza could well be #1 after current performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Carrillo again dropped for the w/end loss to Betis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Carrillo again dropped for the w/end loss to Betis. what a player!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 October, 2018 Share Posted 3 October, 2018 Oh dear, Napoli just beat VVD and co at the death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 3 October, 2018 Share Posted 3 October, 2018 (edited) Oh dear, Napoli just beat VVD and co at the death... I enjoyed that ! VD very good at waving arms at team mates. Edited 3 October, 2018 by OVER THE HILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 October, 2018 Share Posted 3 October, 2018 That other fella’s team got mullered by Messi and co as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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